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    Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent upon whom the movie ' Munich ' was based. He was Golda Meir's bodyguard--she appointed him to track down and bring to justice the Palestinian terrorists who took the Israeli athletes hostage and killed them during the Munich Olympic Games.
    (Aviv's bio is noted at end.)



    He predicted the London subway bombing on the Bill O'Reilly show on Fox News stating publicly that it would happen within a week. At the time, O'Reilly laughed and mocked him saying that in a week he wanted him back on the show. But, unfortunately, within a week the terrorist attack had occurred.



    Now for his future predictions . . . He predicts the next terrorist attack on the U.S. will occur within the next few months. Forget hijacking airplanes, because he says terrorists will never try and hijack a plane again as they know the people onboard will never go down quietly again. Aviv believes our airport security is a joke--that we have been reactionary rather than pro-active in developing strategies that are truly effective. For example:



    1) Our airport technology is outdated. We look for metal, and the new explosives are made of plastic.



    2) He talked about how some idiot tried to light his shoe on fire. Because of that, now everyone has to take off their shoes. A group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid explosives. Now we can't bring liquids on board. He says he's waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour liquid explosive on his underwear; at which point, security will have us all traveling naked. Every strategy we have is 'reactionary.'



    3) We only focus on security when people are heading to the gates. Aviv says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in the future, they will target busy times on the front end of the airport when/where people are checking in. It would be easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to watch their bags for a minute while they go to the restroom, and then detonate the bags before security even gets involved. In Israel , security checks bags before people can even enter the airport.



    Aviv says the next terrorist attack here in America is imminent and will involve suicide bombers and non-suicide bombers in places where large groups of people congregate. (i.e., Disneyland, Las Vegas casinos, big cities (New York, San Francisco, Chicago, etc.) and that it will also include shopping malls, subways in rush hour, train stations, etc., as well as rural America this time (Wyoming, Montana, etc.).



    The attack will be characterized by simultaneous detonations around the country (terrorists like big impact), involving at least
    5-8 cities, including rural areas. Aviv says terrorists won't need to use suicide bombers in many of the larger cities, because at places like the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, they can simply valet park a car loaded with explosives and walk away.



    Aviv says all of the above is well known in intelligence circles, but that our U. S. Government does not want to 'alarm American citizens' with the facts.



    The world is quickly going to become 'a different place,' and issue like 'global warming' and political correctness will become totally irrelevant.



    On an encouraging note, he says the terrorists who want to destroy America will not use sophisticated weapons. They like to use suicide as a front-line approach. It's cheap, it's easy, it's effective; and they have an infinite abundance of young militants more than willing to 'meet their destiny.'



    He also says the next level of terrorists, over which America should be most concerned, will not be coming from abroad. But will be, instead, 'homegrown' - having attended and been educated in our own schools and universities right here in the U. S. He says to look for 'students' who frequently travel back and forth to the Middle East . These young terrorists will be most dangerous because they will know our language and will fully understand the habits of Americans; but that we Americans won't know/understand a thing about them.



    Aviv says that, as a people, Americans are unaware and uneducated about the terroristic threats we will, inevitably, face. America still has only a handful of Arabic and Farsi speaking people in our intelligence networks, and Aviv says it is critical that we change that fact and soon.



    So, what can America do to protect itself? From an intelligence perspective, Aviv says the U.S. needs to stop relying on satellites and technology for intelligence. We need to, instead, follow Israel 's, Ireland 's and England 's hands-on examples of human intelligence, both from an infiltration perspective as well as to trust 'aware' citizens to help.



    We need to engage and educate ourselves as citizens; however, our U. S. government continues to treat us, its citizens, 'like babies.' Our government thinks we 'can't handle the truth' and are concerned that we'll panic if we understand the realities of terrorism. Aviv says this is a deadly mistake.



    Aviv recently created/executed a security test for our Congress, by placing an empty briefcase in five well-traveled spots in five major cities. The results? Not one person called 911 or sought a policeman to check it out. In fact, in Chicago , someone tried to steal the briefcase.



    In comparison, Aviv says that citizens of Israel are so well 'trained that an unattended bag or package would be reported in seconds by citizens who know to publicly shout, 'Unattended Bag.' The area would be quickly & calmly cleared by the citizens themselves. But, unfortunately, America hasn't been yet 'hurt enough' by terrorism for their government to fully understand the need to educate its citizens or for the government to understand that it's their citizens who are, inevitably, the best first-line of defense against terrorism.



    Aviv also was concerned about the high number of children here in America who were in preschool and kindergarten after 9/11, who were 'lost' without parents being able to pick them up, and about ours schools that had no plan in place to best care for the students until parents could get there. (In New York City , this was days, in some cases.)



    He stresses the importance of having a plan, that's agreed upon within your family, to respond to in the event of a terroristic emergency. He urges parents to contact their children's schools and demand that the schools, too, develop plans of actions, as they do in Israel .



    Does your family know what to do if you can't contact one another by phone? Where would you gather in an emergency? He says we should all have a plan that is easy enough for even our youngest children to remember and follow.



    Aviv says that the U. S. government has in force a plan that, in the event of another terrorist attack, will immediately cut-off everyone's ability to use cell phones, blackberries, etc., as this is the preferred communication source used by terrorists and is often the way that their bombs are detonated. How will you communicate with your loved ones in the event you cannot speak? You need to have a plan.



    Aviv's Bio as follows:



    He holds an M.A. in Business from Tel Aviv University and is President and CEO of Interfor, Inc., an international corporate intelligence and investigations firm.Interfor, Inc. is now based in New York , with offices around the world. It was founded in 1979 and provides foreign and domestic intelligence services to legal, corporate and financial communities around the world. Interfor, Inc. also conducts investigations into terrorism and Mr. Aviv now serves as a special consultant to the U. S. Congress, and other policy makers, here within the U. S. on issues of terrorism, fraud and money laundering. Interfor's services encompass white-collar crime investigations, asset search and recovery, corporate due diligence, litigation support, fraud investigations, internal compliance investigations and security and vulnerability assessments. Since its inception, Interfor's asset investigation services have recovered over $2 billion worldwide for its clients.



    A leading authority on terrorist networks, Mr. Aviv served as lead investigator for Pan Am Airways into the Pan Am 103-Lockerbie terrorist bombing. He was featured in the recent film, Munich , as the leader of the Israeli team that tracked down the terrorists who kidnapped the Israeli Olympic team. Before founding Interfor, Mr. Aviv served as an officer in the Israel Defense Force (Major, retired) leading an elite Commando/Intelligence Unit, and was later selected by the Israeli Secret Service (Mossad) to participate in a number of intelligence special operations, serving in many countries in the late
    1960s and 1970s.



    While working as a consultant with El Al, Mr. Aviv surveyed the existing security measures in place and updated El Al's security program, making El Al the safest airline in business today. Most recently, Mr.. Aviv wrote a book entitled, 'Staying Safe: The Complete Guide to Protecting Yourself, Your Family, and Your Business.' (2004, Harper Resource)



    He has been a featured guest on ABC Nightline, FOX News, CNN, BBC Newsnight, ZDF (German National Television) and RAI (Italian National Television)--and has been featured in numerous articles in major magazines and newspapers worldwide.
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    ... RoqueAusie ...

    Enjoyed your post . It brought up leadership ideas that maybe needed in the U.S.A.

    1.] Moved from Orange County , California to North Carolina .

    2.] The dogs sleep in the house now .

    3.] I speak up when needed instead of being shy .

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    RogueAussie wrote:
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    Juval Aviv was the Israeli Agent upon whom the movie ' Munich ' was based. He was Golda Meir's bodyguard--she appointed him to track down and bring to justice the Palestinian terrorists who took the Israeli athletes hostage and killed them during the Munich Olympic Games.
    (Aviv's bio is noted at end.)



    He predicted the London subway bombing on the Bill O'Reilly show on Fox News stating publicly that it would happen within a week. At the time, O'Reilly laughed and mocked him saying that in a week he wanted him back on the show. But, unfortunately, within a week the terrorist attack had occurred.



    Now for his future predictions . . . He predicts the next terrorist attack on the U.S. will occur within the next few months. Forget hijacking airplanes, because he says terrorists will never try and hijack a plane again as they know the people onboard will never go down quietly again. Aviv believes our airport security is a joke--that we have been reactionary rather than pro-active in developing strategies that are truly effective. For example:



    1) Our airport technology is outdated. We look for metal, and the new explosives are made of plastic.



    2) He talked about how some idiot tried to light his shoe on fire. Because of that, now everyone has to take off their shoes. A group of idiots tried to bring aboard liquid explosives. Now we can't bring liquids on board. He says he's waiting for some suicidal maniac to pour liquid explosive on his underwear; at which point, security will have us all traveling naked. Every strategy we have is 'reactionary.'



    3) We only focus on security when people are heading to the gates. Aviv says that if a terrorist attack targets airports in the future, they will target busy times on the front end of the airport when/where people are checking in. It would be easy for someone to take two suitcases of explosives, walk up to a busy check-in line, ask a person next to them to watch their bags for a minute while they go to the restroom, and then detonate the bags before security even gets involved. In Israel , security checks bags before people can even enter the airport.

    I like this guy. He's not an idiot like the rest of the world.

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    U. S. government has in force a plan that, in the event of another terrorist attack, will immediately cut-off everyone's ability to use cell phones, blackberries, etc.,
    Anyone thought about ham radio?

    Even in a mobil setup, a ham can talk to other hams either locally or hundreds to eventhousands of miles away, depending on band conditions...Antenna to antenna.

    Me, my wife, one brother and one brother-in-law are all licensed amateur radio operators.

    The licenses are cheap, you just have to study for the test, and now there is no CW (morse code) requirement for HF(restricted) andthe radios are relatively cheap, but the sky is the limit.

    Name brand single band radios (popular 2 Meter band) go for just a bit over $100.00 and then some radios are up in the thousands.

    During hurricane Katrina, 90% of public communication systems weredown but the hams stepped up and within a day had the MS gulf coast linked Jackson (MS capitol)andwas covering the majority of all emergency (police, fire, ambulance) comms here on the coast.

    Ham radio is something that will be heavily relied upon in any kind of disaster, natural or otherwise.

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    Wasn't this written back in 2007?

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    I like this guy. He's not an idiot like the rest of the world.
    This comment was extremely resourceful and astute. :quirky

    It must be truly difficult being so brilliant that you have to lower your personal standards to read what the rest of the feeblemindedworld writes.
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    Juval Aviv has been outed as a fraud mostly. His credentials have been called into question and his 90 day 'prediction' was made in 2005.

    The closest he came to any 'spy' work was a security guard for El AL airlines in NY.

    http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/juvalaviv.asp

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    Flintlock wrote:
    AWDstylez wrote:
    I like this guy. He's not an idiot like the rest of the world.
    This comment was extremely resourceful and astute. :quirky

    It must be truly difficult being so brilliant that you have to lower your personal standards to read what the rest of the feeblemindedworld writes.



    Again I lol at a retard telling me how worthless my comment was, while adding nothing worthwhile (or even on-topic) themselves.

    The guy that wrote the article hit the nail on the head, and then some. His credentials are meaningless because he's already managed to point out everything wrongwith the current "security" theater (i.e. rights restriction)and "anti-terruhrizim" measures (rights restriction). In a round about way he's managed to say what everyone that doesn't have their head up their ass already knew. The US government really doesn't give a damn about actually preventing future attacks. All they care about is putting on the appearance of giving a **** so they can rob the people of more freedoms with each and every subsequent attack.

    The fact that he's predicting another attack doesn't require "credentials" to be taken seriously. Predicting another tearAwrist attack is like predicting the sun will rise tomorrow. :quirky

    Is that a little more "resourceful" and "astute," dumbass? Let's hear what you have to say on the matter.


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    AWDstylez wrote:
    Again I lol at a retard telling me how worthless my comment was, while adding nothing worthwhile (or even on-topic) themselves.
    I LOL at the posters who personally and boldlyinsult others andhidebehind the "discreetness" and safety of the internet. Furthermore, your postis a specific violation of the forum rules and renders to the point ofirrelavent whatever argument youare makingon any topic becauseit evidentlyrequires the backing of such insults. If it can't be argued without attacks, then it probably doesn't have a lot of teeth. Lastly, it is not uncommon on web forums for posters to respond to what other posters type, regardless of topic. You do this yourself quite frequently as do most of this web forum poster population.
    The guy that wrote the article hit the nail on the head, and then some. His credentials are meaningless because he's already managed to point out everything wrongwith the current "security" theater (i.e. rights restriction)and "anti-terruhrizim" measures (rights restriction). In a round about way he's managed to say what everyone that doesn't have their head up their ass already knew. The US government really doesn't give a damn about actually preventing future attacks. All they care about is putting on the appearance of giving a @#$% so they can rob the people of more freedoms with each and every subsequent attack.
    This is better, now we all know what you are talking about. You could have typed this the first time but it still wasn't without inappropriate langauge and bad taste.


    The fact that he's predicting another attack doesn't require "credentials" to be taken seriously. Predicting another tearAwrist attack is like predicting the sun will rise tomorrow. :quirky
    I agree with you and this is very true.
    Is that a little more "resourceful" and "astute," dumbass?
    Is that the best you've got? If you are going to blatantly violate the forum rules and resort to such absurd personal attacks and bad language, I would think someone as esteemed as you would have the ability to thrash me in a single sentence.
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    Since I'm also an active Disaster Volunteer for the American Red Cross, my wife and I have our disater plans and have done dry runs for evac and so on.

    Being a Red Cross volunteer and disaster leader helps me be a bit more in the know about local planning and response. And therefore feel less helpless about things.

    Both our vehicles have our go-kits as well as an extra set in the house for the rush exit. We also have our more extensive kits if we expect to evac to one of our family meeting areas.

    I'm not talking out of fear but reality. Terrorism is not very likely but it is possible. A hurricane or tornado can an WILL happen in our area.

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    RogueAussie wrote:
    ...at which point, security will have us all traveling naked.
    A scary thought. I would NEVER travel by plane, both for the benefit of my own eyes, and those of others.

    I've always thought the overkill in airport security was silly. Many years ago, I walked through the security checkpoint with about $10 of change in my pockets (I'd forgotten about it) - no bells, no whistles, no second looks - I walked right through.

    I'm just waiting for the alarms to go off on my needlework...

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    Terrorist Attack what would you do



    If the threat was immediate, or imminent, as in My locale I's just meet up with the rest of the folks on top of the mountain and we'd figger out the next move from there!!

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