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    Why guns shouldn't be permitted in restaurants
    As I've reported here and in my Fohboh blog, gun advocates contend that it's ridiculous to prohibit restaurant patrons from toting concealed weapons into a place that serves alcohol. In jurisdictions stretching from Virginia to Arizona, they're hell bent on changing the laws. Here are a few recent news developments that they may want to consider before resuming their crusade: A man displaying a gun in a restaurant accidentally fired it early Saturday morning, killing an acquaintance who was there with him, according to Phoenix police.--AZCentral.com A man who had a concealed-weapons permit accidentally fired his gun inside a Provo restaurant, hitting his chair. Police say they cited Ernest Fichler for discharging the weapon in city limits. They seized his 9 mm automatic pistol and turned in his license to carry a concealed weapon for state review.--Salt Lake City Tribune Last year, eight people were slain at bars or clubs in Orlando and unincorporated Orange County, often in disputes with people they barely knew. In one case from east Orange, the deadly brawl literally started over spilled beer and ended with gunfire.--OrlandoSentinel.com

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    More cowardly and uneducated rhetoric from a federally indoctrinated shill.
    The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
    And the newest slavery is to keep the people poor, and stupid
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    You don't accidentally do anything. An accident is an event or series of events that result in an occurrence that could have been prevented. The word accident is only used to make the uneducated, thoughtless and reckless people fell better.

    He was stupid and deserved what happened to him.

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    AZCentral.com A man who had a concealed-weapons permit accidentally fired his gun inside a Provo restaurant, hitting his chair. Police say they cited Ernest Fichler for discharging the weapon in city limits. They seized his 9 mm automatic pistol and turned in his license to carry a concealed weapon for state review

    Where do send the check so I can I get one of those Concealed automatic pistol permits? :celebrate
    Assault Weapon (N) “Any firearm whose design disturbs the sleep of progressive politicians.”.

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    Accidental or negligent discharges injuring people vs total number of guns = an infinitesimal small per centage - something akin to .000001% or less.

    There are recognized and accepted figures on the numbers of defensive uses of guns per year - numbering in the millions.

    Criminals do not obey laws - restricting them on paper does nothing to benefit/protect us.

    There is a cure for ignorance but not for stupidity.

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    I'm shocked he actually printed my response... and it appears as the only one thus far.
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    wylde007 wrote:
    I'm shocked he actually printed my response... and it appears as the only one thus far.
    Excellent post - I'm surprised too that it made it through.

    Yata hey
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    Shovelhead wrote:
    AZCentral.com A man who had a concealed-weapons permit accidentally fired his gun inside a Provo restaurant, hitting his chair. Police say they cited Ernest Fichler for discharging the weapon in city limits. They seized his 9 mm automatic pistol and turned in his license to carry a concealed weapon for state review

    Where do send the check so I can I get one of those Concealed automatic pistol permits? :celebrate
    though, i'm probably giving the blogger more credit than is due; an automatic pistol can be in reference to a handgun that is not a revolver.

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    tsannicolas wrote:
    Shovelhead wrote:
    AZCentral.com A man who had a concealed-weapons permit accidentally fired his gun inside a Provo restaurant, hitting his chair. Police say they cited Ernest Fichler for discharging the weapon in city limits. They seized his 9 mm automatic pistol and turned in his license to carry a concealed weapon for state review

    Where do send the check so I can I get one of those Concealed automatic pistol permits? :celebrate
    though, i'm probably giving the blogger more credit than is due; an automatic pistol can be in reference to a handgun that is not a revolver.
    Isn't a double action revolver just as "automatic" as an semi-automatic? Seems to me in order to be a manual pistol it would have to be single shot or single action....

    This guy seems pretty up to "automatic" speed to me :^).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og9ccsb1v6o

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    Isn't a double action revolver just as "automatic" as an semi-automatic? Seems to me in order to be a manual pistol it would have to be single shot or single action....
    Revolvers around the globe areoutraged at your insinuation that they are somehow in the same class as common semi-automatic pistols.

    Meanwhile single-action revolvers everywhere smile smugly at the misfortune of the doubles.


    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    tsannicolas wrote:
    Shovelhead wrote:
    AZCentral.com A man who had a concealed-weapons permit accidentally fired his gun inside a Provo restaurant, hitting his chair. Police say they cited Ernest Fichler for discharging the weapon in city limits. They seized his 9 mm automatic pistol and turned in his license to carry a concealed weapon for state review

    Where do send the check so I can I get one of those Concealed automatic pistol permits? :celebrate
    though, i'm probably giving the blogger more credit than is due; an automatic pistol can be in reference to a handgun that is not a revolver.
    Isn't a double action revolver just as "automatic" as an semi-automatic? Seems to me in order to be a manual pistol it would have to be single shot or single action....

    This guy seems pretty up to "automatic" speed to me :^).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og9ccsb1v6o
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semi-automatic_pistol

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    Isn't a double action revolver just as "automatic" as an semi-automatic? Seems to me in order to be a manual pistol it would have to be single shot or single action....
    My 1911 is very confused and may be in the need of long term, deep therapy even.
    She has the need to understand herself and feel good about who she is.

    You see she must come to terms with the fact she is an automatic (feed), a semi-automatic (one squeeze/one shot) and is manually (not automatically) operated. Adding to the confusion for her is the fact that she is single action but dual purpose.

    Think I'll take her to the range (good therapy) - she always feels better after a shot or two (hundred). If she behaves, I'll even take it out to eat.

    Bottom line - automatic or semi-auto works for me in private conversation. Publicly it is a semi-automatic pistol, not a full auto capable gun.

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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    Isn't a double action revolver just as "automatic" as an semi-automatic? Seems to me in order to be a manual pistol it would have to be single shot or single action....
    My 1911 is very confused and may be in the need of long term, deep therapy even.
    She has the need to understand herself and feel good about who she is.

    Snip

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    You two (Citizen) crack me up

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    Citizen wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    Isn't a double action revolver just as "automatic" as an semi-automatic? Seems to me in order to be a manual pistol it would have to be single shot or single action....
    Revolvers around the globe areoutraged at your insinuation that they are somehow in the same class as common semi-automatic pistols.

    Meanwhile single-action revolvers everywhere smile smugly at the misfortune of the doubles.

    And long guns, even carbines, laugh and point like boys in a shower at the brevity of hand guns. Its downright humiliating even for the big bores. Imagine the chagrin for a .380 pocket pistol.

    There is no one size fits all - whether pistol, wheel gun or long gun.

    Always wanted to "stack arms" in a restaurant setting.

    Yata hey

    PS - Humor is an excellent way to make a point and it confuses the sheeple too.
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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    Isn't a double action revolver just as "automatic" as an semi-automatic? Seems to me in order to be a manual pistol it would have to be single shot or single action....
    Revolvers around the globe areoutraged at your insinuation that they are somehow in the same class as common semi-automatic pistols.

    Meanwhile single-action revolvers everywhere smile smugly at the misfortune of the doubles.

    And long guns, even carbines, laugh and point like boys in a shower at the brevity of hand guns. Its downright humiliating even for the big bores. Imagine the chagrin for a .380 pocket pistol.
    Thanks Grapeshot for reminding me of my first "public" shower in freshman high school gym class. I was ALMOST over it!!!

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    SNIP My 1911 is very confused and may be in the need of long term, deep therapy even...

    Think I'll take her to the range (good therapy) - she always feels better after a shot or two (hundred). If she behaves, I'll even take it out to eat.
    Hmmmm.

    As a concerned citizen, I'm afraid I have to question your qualifications to even owna gun.

    Obviously, if her condition has descended into such a confusion, you have not been a good custodian. Things have gotten too far out of hand; and should never have gotten even half this far.

    I'm afraid I'll have to demand you turn her over to someone like me who can provide the care and nurturingnecessary torebuild her confidence.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    Thanks Grapeshot for reminding me of my first "public" shower in freshman high school gym class. I was ALMOST over it!!!
    Seems just like yesterday doesn't it.

    Don't sweat the small stuff. There are always bigger fish in the sea.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    SNIP My 1911 is very confused and may be in the need of long term, deep therapy even...

    Think I'll take her to the range (good therapy) - she always feels better after a shot or two (hundred). If she behaves, I'll even take it out to eat.
    Hmmmm.

    As a concerned citizen, I'm afraid I have to question your qualifications to even owna gun.

    Obviously, if her condition has descended into such a confusion, you have not been a good custodian. Things have gotten too far out of hand; and should never have gotten even half this far.

    I'm afraid I'll have to demand you turn her over to someone like me who can provide the care and nurturingnecessary torebuild her confidence.
    We have been certified by several state agencies and one national organization as meeting their standards.

    Further, we have an established history of taking in foundlings such as her and allowing them to become productive members of our community.

    She is well housed, feed and cared for and she is sincerely appreciated. Her health and well being is of paramount importance to us. All we really ask of her is that she gives her best shot.

    What does bother me is that some will hear of her or see her picture (she is young but quite mature) and immediate try to gain control and take possession of this little darling for their own personal pleasure. I have a word for such people but will refrain from using it here. I would not recommend attempting to make further such contacts.

    :celebrate

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    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    SNIP My 1911 is very confused and may be in the need of long term, deep therapy even...

    Think I'll take her to the range (good therapy) - she always feels better after a shot or two (hundred). If she behaves, I'll even take it out to eat.
    Hmmmm.

    As a concerned citizen, I'm afraid I have to question your qualifications to even owna gun.

    Obviously, if her condition has descended into such a confusion, you have not been a good custodian. Things have gotten too far out of hand; and should never have gotten even half this far.

    I'm afraid I'll have to demand you turn her over to someone like me who can provide the care and nurturingnecessary torebuild her confidence.
    We have been certified by several state agencies and one national organization as meeting their standards.

    Further, we have an established history of taking in foundlings such as her and allowing them to become productive members of our community.

    She is well housed, feed and cared for and she is sincerely appreciated. Her health and well being is of paramount importance to us. All we really ask of her is that she gives her best shot.

    What does bother me is that some will hear of her or see her picture (she is young but quite mature) and immediate try to gain control and take possession of this little darling for their own personal pleasure. I have a word for such people but will refrain from using it here. I would not recommend attempting to make further such contacts.

    Yata hey
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    SNIP My 1911 is very confused and may be in the need of long term, deep therapy even...

    Think I'll take her to the range (good therapy) - she always feels better after a shot or two (hundred). If she behaves, I'll even take it out to eat.
    Hmmmm.

    As a concerned citizen, I'm afraid I have to question your qualifications to even owna gun.

    Obviously, if her condition has descended into such a confusion, you have not been a good custodian. Things have gotten too far out of hand; and should never have gotten even half this far.

    I'm afraid I'll have to demand you turn her over to someone like me who can provide the care and nurturingnecessary torebuild her confidence.
    We have been certified by several state agencies and one national organization as meeting their standards.

    Further, we have an established history of taking in foundlings such as her and allowing them to become productive members of our community.

    She is well housed, feed and cared for and she is sincerely appreciated. Her health and well being is of paramount importance to us. All we really ask of her is that she gives her best shot.

    What does bother me is that some will hear of her or see her picture (she is young but quite mature) and immediate try to gain control and take possession of this little darling for their own personal pleasure. I have a word for such people but will refrain from using it here. I would not recommend attempting to make further such contacts.

    Yata hey
    Grapenuts is a true Southern Gentleman...... I sit at his feet.

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    Grapenuts is a true Southern Gentleman...... I sit at his feet.
    Arise Sir Neplusultra and take your place at this noble round table.

    And thank you for the kind words, sir.

    Yata hey


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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    Grapenuts is a true Southern Gentleman...... I sit at his feet.
    Arise Sir Neplusultra and take your place at this noble round table.

    And thank you for the kind words, sir.

    Yata hey

    The link to my knighthood does not work, I am trodden down. You did notice my spelling of your Grapeness, I hope

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    Grapenuts is a true Southern Gentleman...... I sit at his feet.
    Arise Sir Neplusultra and take your place at this noble round table.

    And thank you for the kind words, sir.

    Yata hey

    The link to my knighthood does not work, I am trodden down. You did notice my spelling of your Grapeness, I hope
    Alas the link is not required to garner the benefits thereof that which has been bestowed upon you. For the honor is yours and rightfully so, to wear about your shoulders as a woven cloak for all to see and you to cherish. Care for it least it be soiled. Bring it honor and respect its title.

    Sure did - appreciate recognition..........of any kind.

    Yata hey
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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Boy, you fellas have taken this thread in an interesting direction!


    The quiet war has begun, with silent weapons
    And the newest slavery is to keep the people poor, and stupid
    Novos ordo seclorum ~ Mustaine

    Never argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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    wylde007 wrote:
    Boy, you fellas have taken this thread in an interesting direction!

    It was a weak moment for which I am solely responsible.
    Others likely responded unwittingly not realizing the impact it would have.
    I disallow any knowledge of them, past or present. I have never meet them personally.
    Further, I am as chastised I will ever be. Thank you for the redirect.

    To the point: Guns should be allowed - period, exclamation mark. There I do feel better.

    Now about that automatic sword.............

    Yata hey

    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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