More Exhibit you should carry ALL the time

Sheriff · Mar 24, 2009

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In the summertime when wearing very little in the way of clothing (shorts and shirt for all you perverts thinking the worse ), I have a .380 Colt MKIV Series 80 that I wear around my neck on a chain. If you're familiar with this firearm, it has a small circle to put the chain through on the back of the hammer. It's somewhat heavy at first, but you get accustomed to real quick.

On a side note, I often wonder how much the little thing is worth now. I think I only paid $250 to $275 when I bought it brand new many years ago. It's never been fired, YET!

Neplusultra · Mar 24, 2009

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Sheriff wrote:

In the summertime when wearing very little in the way of clothing (shorts and shirt for all you perverts thinking the worse ), I have a .380 Colt MKIV Series 80 that I wear around my neck on a chain. If you're familiar with this firearm, it has a small circle to put the chain through on the back of the hammer. It's somewhat heavy at first, but you get accustomed to real quick.

On a side note, I often wonder how much the little thing is worth now. I think I only paid $250 to $275 when I bought it brand new many years ago. It's never been fired, YET!

$900, or so says wikianswers. Of course no one will ever believe it's never been fired :^). I can't believe it. Shouldn't you at least shoot it once if you're going to carry it :^)?

found this article about jamming;

http://pistolsmith.com/viewtopic.php?t=28350

I had a "lot" of trouble with jams with my kel-tec .380. Winchester FN factories would jam the worst, fewer with my own reloads. After a few hundred rounds though it's loosened up and I just don't have a problem anymore. But I still don't shoot the Winchesters either. Speer HPs do well.

Grapeshot · Mar 24, 2009

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Sheriff wrote:

In the summertime when wearing very little in the way of clothing (shorts and shirt for all you perverts thinking the worse ), I have a .380 Colt MKIV Series 80 that I wear around my neck on a chain. If you're familiar with this firearm, it has a small circle to put the chain through on the back of the hammer. It's somewhat heavy at first, but you get accustomed to real quick.

On a side note, I often wonder how much the little thing is worth now. I think I only paid $250 to $275 when I bought it brand new many years ago. It's never been fired, YET!

Never been fired !! It might just be a fancy necklace. :shock:

I am not familiar with this particular gun but seems to be that a chain thru the hammer might potentially prevent a proper hammer strike.

Is this anything like wearing an albatross around your neck?

Yata hey

cREbralFIX · Mar 24, 2009

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Just because you're carrying does NOT mean you will prevail. You may not even get the weapon out!

SouthNarc's ECQC course (www.shivworks.com) covers the 0-6 foot space very effectively. It includes tactics on handling contacts (with the "Be polite but have a plan to kill everyone you meet") to what to do in the FUT (fooq'd up tangle).

These things go at an accelerated rate of speed. It's really unbelieveable when you have a NON-COOPERATIVE opponent. Even if you have a gun out, what do you do when the guy says "Hey, I'm unarmed. You cannot shoot me" as he walks up to you? (shoot him). The problem is folks HESITATE, thinking about court, rather than fighting. When the guy is within six feet...his rush is faster than you can draw.

Shooting from retention

FUT...this very well could have happened to this couple

Gray shirt closed in on brown shirt very fast

Lots of jammed guns from errant limbs...very easy to do!

It's VERY tough to clear a gun in a FUT. I tried several times and failed. I defaulted to whacking the FIST helmet with the gun or my fist.

Mutual death when both guys have guns and they separate

Wooley · Mar 24, 2009

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I work out in this area...I'm kinda wondering whats up.

Wooley · Mar 24, 2009

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By "work out" I mean my job is out there. Anyone that knows me has no doubt that I do not "workout".

Grapeshot · Mar 24, 2009

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cREbralFIX wrote:

snip.....
SouthNarc's ECQC course (http://www.shivworks.com) covers the 0-6 foot space very effectively. It includes tactics on handling contacts (with the "Be polite but have a plan to kill everyone you meet") to what to do in the FUT (fooq'd up tangle).

Fixed link for you - http://www.shivworks.com

Yata hey

Neplusultra · Mar 24, 2009

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Grapeshot wrote:

cREbralFIX wrote:

snip.....
SouthNarc's ECQC course (http://www.shivworks.com) covers the 0-6 foot space very effectively. It includes tactics on handling contacts (with the "Be polite but have a plan to kill everyone you meet") to what to do in the FUT (fooq'd up tangle).

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Fixed link for you - http://www.shivworks.com

Yata hey

No worky, try this:

http://www.shivworks.com/

Grapeshot · Mar 24, 2009

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Neplusultra wrote:

Grapeshot wrote:

cREbralFIX wrote:

snip.....
SouthNarc's ECQC course (http://www.shivworks.com) covers the 0-6 foot space very effectively. It includes tactics on handling contacts (with the "Be polite but have a plan to kill everyone you meet") to what to do in the FUT (fooq'd up tangle).

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Fixed link for you - http://www.shivworks.com

Yata hey

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No worky, try this:

http://www.shivworks.com/

How many OC posters does it take to get one link right?

I don't know but they'll keep on shooting 'til they hit it. :?

Yata hey

Marco · Mar 24, 2009

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"I have a .380 Colt MKIV Series 80 that I wear around my neck on a chain.
It's never been fired, YET!"
:shock::shock::shock::?:banghead:

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"I am not familiar with this particular gun."

Sure you are, it is almost the same thing you carry daily just a smaller caliber.

Neplusultra · Mar 24, 2009

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Grapeshot wrote:

Sheriff wrote:

In the summertime when wearing very little in the way of clothing (shorts and shirt for all you perverts thinking the worse ), I have a .380 Colt MKIV Series 80 that I wear around my neck on a chain. If you're familiar with this firearm, it has a small circle to put the chain through on the back of the hammer. It's somewhat heavy at first, but you get accustomed to real quick.

On a side note, I often wonder how much the little thing is worth now. I think I only paid $250 to $275 when I bought it brand new many years ago. It's never been fired, YET!

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Never been fired !! It might just be a fancy necklace. :shock:

Yata hey

Maybe he meant never been fired in self-defense?

JimMullinsWVCDL · Mar 24, 2009

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Repeater wrote:

johnfenter wrote:

"They were not carrying identification, but authorities learned their identities by the man's fingerprints, which were on file because he owned a concealed weapon, Simpson said."

On file, WHERE?! Fingerprint cards are supposed to be returned or destroyed after the background check is successfully done for the permit. Did they access the FBI database, where a copy is no doubt permanently entered?

More proof that, once you are in the system, you can't get out.

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As required by § 18.2-308(D):

All fingerprint cards not claimed by the applicant within 21 days of notification by the local agency shall be destroyed. All optically scanned fingerprints shall be destroyed upon completion of the criminal history records check without requiring that the applicant be notified. Fingerprints taken for the purposes described in this section shall not be copied, held or used for any other purposes.

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The story needs pursuing.

When your fingerprints go to the FBI, they go into AFIS (also see Wiki article) and are never destroyed. While Virginia may destroy any copies of your prints you provide as required by the VA CHP statute, the FBI will always have them in AFIS and neither Virginia nor any other state can tell it to do otherwise.

Neplusultra · Mar 24, 2009

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WVCDL wrote:

Repeater wrote:

johnfenter wrote:

"They were not carrying identification, but authorities learned their identities by the man's fingerprints, which were on file because he owned a concealed weapon, Simpson said."

On file, WHERE?! Fingerprint cards are supposed to be returned or destroyed after the background check is successfully done for the permit. Did they access the FBI database, where a copy is no doubt permanently entered?

More proof that, once you are in the system, you can't get out.

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As required by § 18.2-308(D):

All fingerprint cards not claimed by the applicant within 21 days of notification by the local agency shall be destroyed. All optically scanned fingerprints shall be destroyed upon completion of the criminal history records check without requiring that the applicant be notified. Fingerprints taken for the purposes described in this section shall not be copied, held or used for any other purposes.

Click to expand...

The story needs pursuing.

Click to expand...

When your fingerprints go to the FBI, they go into AFIS (also see Wiki article) and are never destroyed. While Virginia may destroy any copies of your prints you provide as required by the VA CHP statute, the FBI will always have them in AFIS and neither Virginia nor any other state can tell it to do otherwise.

So the law is a lie?

JimMullinsWVCDL · Mar 24, 2009

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Neplusultra wrote:

WVCDL wrote:

Repeater wrote:

johnfenter wrote:

"They were not carrying identification, but authorities learned their identities by the man's fingerprints, which were on file because he owned a concealed weapon, Simpson said."

On file, WHERE?! Fingerprint cards are supposed to be returned or destroyed after the background check is successfully done for the permit. Did they access the FBI database, where a copy is no doubt permanently entered?

More proof that, once you are in the system, you can't get out.

Click to expand...

As required by § 18.2-308(D):

All fingerprint cards not claimed by the applicant within 21 days of notification by the local agency shall be destroyed. All optically scanned fingerprints shall be destroyed upon completion of the criminal history records check without requiring that the applicant be notified. Fingerprints taken for the purposes described in this section shall not be copied, held or used for any other purposes.

Click to expand...

The story needs pursuing.

Click to expand...

When your fingerprints go to the FBI, they go into AFIS (also see Wiki article) and are never destroyed. While Virginia may destroy any copies of your prints you provide as required by the VA CHP statute, the FBI will always have them in AFIS and neither Virginia nor any other state can tell it to do otherwise.

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So the law is a lie?

I would not say it's a lie inasmuch as I'm sure state and local agencies within Virginia comply with it and return or destroy a CHL applicant's fingerprints as it requires. However, the FBI does not purge any fingerprint records since it is not bound by Virginia state law, only federal law.

Neplusultra · Mar 24, 2009

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WVCDL wrote:

I would not say it's a lie inasmuch as I'm sure state and local agencies within Virginia comply with it and return or destroy a CHL applicant's fingerprints as it requires. However, the FBI does not purge any fingerprint records since it is not bound by Virginia state law, only federal law.

So the state gave the FBI my fingerprints knowing that they would not be destroyed as per the LAW. So the law did not lie, just the politicians.

This should be addressed!

Grapeshot · Mar 24, 2009

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Neplusultra wrote:

WVCDL wrote:

I would not say it's a lie inasmuch as I'm sure state and local agencies within Virginia comply with it and return or destroy a CHL applicant's fingerprints as it requires. However, the FBI does not purge any fingerprint records since it is not bound by Virginia state law, only federal law.

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So the state gave the FBI my fingerprints knowing that they would not be destroyed as per the LAW. So the law did not lie, just the politicians.

This should be addressed!

Planning on complaining to Warner, Webb or maybe to his Eminence ?

Yata hey

JimMullinsWVCDL · Mar 24, 2009

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Neplusultra wrote:

WVCDL wrote:

I would not say it's a lie inasmuch as I'm sure state and local agencies within Virginia comply with it and return or destroy a CHL applicant's fingerprints as it requires. However, the FBI does not purge any fingerprint records since it is not bound by Virginia state law, only federal law.

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So the state gave the FBI my fingerprints knowing that they would not be destroyed as per the LAW. So the law did not lie, just the politicians.

This should be addressed!

The best, er, only, option is to repeal local option fingerprinting entirely.

Sheriff · Mar 25, 2009

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Grapeshot wrote:

I am not familiar with this particular gun but seems to be that a chain thru the hammer might potentially prevent a proper hammer strike.

Is this anything like wearing an albatross around your neck?

Yata hey

There's one on gunbroker right now with good pictures.

Good question, butthe chain will not prevent a proper hammer strike.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=125457541

Sheriff · Mar 25, 2009

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Neplusultra wrote:

$900, or so says wikianswers. Of course no one will ever believe it's never been fired :^). I can't believe it. Shouldn't you at least shoot it once if you're going to carry it :^)?

That's pretty amazing! I would sell it for $750 right now.

I should put it on gunbroker!! :lol:

IanB · Mar 25, 2009

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Help me out here guys...

Saw on the news this morningthere is some gang graffiti in the area where the couple was attacked. I don't have a screen shot of the markings, but it looked like the letters "SCL" followed by several dots and then the letter "X". I have looked high and low to find out which gang this may be without any success.

I have only been able to find the blanket statement "There are 12 known active gangs in Loudon County". Anyone know which gangs are active, who are the biggest, most active, etc in Loudon? The dots are used by Latino gangs, so that's where my search has been focused.

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