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    Let's all get together again, this time at the Zoo before the weather gets too hot and aromatic...



    A poll on the start time is postedhere:

    http://www.utahconcealedcarry.com/vi...=21&amp;t=5052

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    Sounds like fun. Though I might be visiting before then.

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    It looks like Ruger Collector has officially nominated himself as the April "party planner"! :celebrate

    I wish I were there to attend. I haven't been to the Hogle Zoo since I was a kid!
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    Sounds good the 25th would be great day to meet. I think this would be a great OC event. Would be great if we could get a statement from the County or the city stating it is legal so the liberals at the Zoo can't turn us away. Let me know I will file a press release as well
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    Couple things-



    1. We better get the zoo policy straightened out beforehand.



    2. I'm out on this one guys. That's my range day for Aprils hunter education class. At least I'll miss it for a good reason, eh?

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    So far I have no conflicts on the 25th. The zoo sounds fun.

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    41 Magnum wrote:
    We better get the zoo policy straightened out beforehand.
    Looking at this thread

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum52/23424.html

    we might need some backup.

    Anyone have access to AG Shurtleff that could get an opinion letter from him?

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    rpyne wrote:
    41 Magnum wrote:
    We better get the zoo policy straightened out beforehand.
    Looking at this thread

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum52/23424.html

    we might need some backup.

    Anyone have access to AG Shurtleff that could get an opinion letter from him?
    Mark Shurtleff's cell phone # is 801-558-9625. Feel free to call him.
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    Sent message to The AG Asking nicely about why the Hoggle Zoo Can enforce a no OC Policy when they are supported by Tax Dollars we will see where this go's
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    Well, I sent a request to the AG's office yesterday afternoon:

    Is Hogle Zoo subject to UCA 53-5a-101 and 76-10-500?

    The manager claims that they are a private entity, but the land they occupy is listed by the Salt Lake County Assessor as owned by Salt Lake City and their own web site says they receive funding from the State of Utah and Salt Lake County.

    Thank you for your consideration.
    I received a response a few minutes ago:

    Thank you for writing to the Utah Attorney General’s Office.

    The Attorney General’s Office is counsel to the state agencies and is prohibited by law from giving legal advise to private citizens therefore; you may want to contact a private attorney for assistance. I trust you will find this helpful.

    Sincerely;
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    What a bunch of crap!!! There are several places in Utah law that specifically mandate the AG to act as an advocate for the citizens.

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    That really is a load of crap, plus that is clearly not a request for legal advice as much as it is an ask for clareification.

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    rpyne wrote:
    Well, I sent a request to the AG's office yesterday afternoon:

    Is Hogle Zoo subject to UCA 53-5a-101 and 76-10-500?

    The manager claims that they are a private entity, but the land they occupy is listed by the Salt Lake County Assessor as owned by Salt Lake City and their own web site says they receive funding from the State of Utah and Salt Lake County.

    Thank you for your consideration.
    I received a response a few minutes ago:

    Thank you for writing to the Utah Attorney General’s Office.

    The Attorney General’s Office is counsel to the state agencies and is prohibited by law from giving legal advise to private citizens therefore; you may want to contact a private attorney for assistance. I trust you will find this helpful.

    Sincerely;
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    What a bunch of crap!!! There are several places in Utah law that specifically mandate the AG to act as an advocate for the citizens.
    IIWY, I would resend the email with all of the research done. IE..all pertinent Utah codes with the information you can find about Hogle zoo being considered a state entity would help in countering the argument that you are asking for legal advice. Maybe even the code stating that the AG's office is to act as an advocate for citizens. Just an idea.

    I know when I contacted them about UVU's policy against leagal firearm carry that is how I worded it and they responded to me with clarification that I was allowed to carry on campus and they even contacted the president of UVU explaining that their rule was illegal.

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    Would the 18th work better for everybody? Theresa lot ofwhining on UCC about the 25th... I could really do either day, but initially selected the 25th because they're having Hawaiian BBQ that day.



    Mazellan: keep up the good work on the research, if we're not able to get an AG opinion we could just take advantage of the Hawaiian shirt theme on the 25th and pray for a windy day to expose our....

    Though we may not really need an AG opinion (would be very nice though), LEO can check registered owners of property through their dispatcher...

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    I can't seem to register on the other forum, (It keeps asking for an authorization code, but when I click the spot where it says "find it here" it takes me to the forum rules instead. No code.) so I can't add my $0.02 worth too the poll. That said the 25th works best for us, and I've been asking friends that aren't forum members yet if they'd be interested.

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    MuellerBadener wrote:
    I can't seem to register on the other forum, (It keeps asking for an authorization code, but when I click the spot where it says "find it here" it takes me to the forum rules instead. No code.) so I can't add my $0.02 worth too the poll. That said the 25th works best for us, and I've been asking friends that aren't forum members yet if they'd be interested.
    Haha you need to read the forum rules... The authorization code is hidden within them sort of a check to see if you actually read the rules. Good luck finding it.

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    Read through twice. Granted I was doing it in a hurry, but didn't see "Authorization code" anywhere. There was another code but it wasn't the same title. I'll try again.



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    If you care about your 2nd amendment rights you will exercise your 1st amendment rights!

    When? April 25, 2:00pm, MARK YOUR CALENDER.

    Where? salt lake federal reserve bank,120 S State St Salt Lake City.

    Why? Fight for Freedom, our Constitution and protest against the Federal Reserve.

    Please plan to attend this protest after the Hogle Zoo trip.

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    Update: We're sticking with the 25th.





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    Ruger Collector wrote:
    Update: We're sticking with the 25th.
    Has anyone heard from Mark Shurtleff, Mitch Vilos or Clark Aposhian on the private/public property issue with the zoo?

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    Wish I could join all ya'll. But I am stuck in Alabama...be back in about a year tho.

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    Gotta love being stuck on military bases eh?

    Ft. Sam Houston TX for too freaking long.

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    rocknsnow wrote:
    Wish I could join all ya'll. But I am stuck in Alabama...be back in about a year tho.
    Holy Schnit?!? It's Tucker! :celebrate I mean sir. Are you a W01 now? How's school?
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    rpyne wrote:
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    Update: We're sticking with the 25th.
    Has anyone heard from Mark Shurtleff, Mitch Vilos or Clark Aposhian on the private/public property issue with the zoo?
    I don't see what the issue is. If they receive public money (which I think is clearly established byhttps://www.hoglezoo.org/donations_s.../zoo_partners/and https://www.hoglezoo.org/about/zoo_history/), then they have to follow state law.The fact thatthe University of Utah receives some private donations didn't make them exempt from the law, as the Supreme Court ruled, and the same logic applies to the zoo.



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    SecondAmendmentStudents wrote:
    rpyne wrote:
    Ruger Collector wrote:
    Update: We're sticking with the 25th.
    Has anyone heard from Mark Shurtleff, Mitch Vilos or Clark Aposhian on the private/public property issue with the zoo?
    I don't see what the issue is. If they receive public money (which I think is clearly established byhttps://www.hoglezoo.org/donations_s.../zoo_partners/and https://www.hoglezoo.org/about/zoo_history/), then they have to follow state law.The fact thatthe University of Utah receives some private donations didn't make them exempt from the law, as the Supreme Court ruled, and the same logic applies to the zoo.

    Have you read the thread at:

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum52/23424.html

    The issue is how much of a disturbance we want to create. The manager has indicated that he doesn't think it is public property even though we know it is. Having an opinion statement from the AG, a state official, or an attorney could prove helpful.

    We may want to meet up somewhere and stay as a group while in the zoo to avoid being hassled.

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