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    Folks, allow me to introduce myself.

    My name is Harry Thomas, and I'm a retired police lieutenant from the Cincinnati Police Department. I am a former member of the NRA Board of Directors and a former board member of the Ohio Gun Collectors Association. I was the founding vice-president of the Law Enforcement Alliance of America, a national organization of peace officers dedicated to the preservation of gun ownership rights.

    Although I now live in Carmel, Indiana I have been closely following CCW and OC issues in Ohio both here and at OhioCCW.org, and frankly I am getting highly PO'd at the number of incidents of decent citizens having their chains pulled by rogue cops over gun carry issues.

    Let me make something perfectly clear: EVERY COP IN OHIO KNOWS THAT IT IS LEGAL TO CARRY OPENLY! The problem is that some of them don't AGREE with that right, and they choose to harass gun owners because they can get away with it. They fall back on lame excuses about panicked citizens "calling it in" or "inducing panic," as justification to commit civil rights violations. Unfortunately, it is unheard of for an officer to be disciplined for such unlawful conduct.

    When a police officer stops and forcibly detains a citizen based solely on the fact that the citizen is openly carrying a firearm, that police officer is committing the crime of Kidnapping. When a police officer demands that a citizen surrender a legally carried firearm, ESPECIALLY when the demand is made at gunpoint, that police officer is committing the crime of Aggravated Robbery.

    There is one thing and ONLY one thing that will put a stop to this, and that is to hit the cities who allow this by their police departments squarely in the pocketbook!

    I wish to offer my services as an expert witness to any Ohio citizen who has been victimized in the manner I've described above. I am a veteran law enforcement command officer, and I can testify that law officers who engage in this type of behavior do it with the full knowledge that their conduct is unlawful. I've testified many times in many venues concerning gun rights, from Cincinnati City Council, to state legislatures, to the Congress of the United States, and I'm good at it.

    I don't ask for and will not accept expert witness fees for my testimony. When I became a police officer I swore a solemn oath to defend the constitutions of the United States and the State of Ohio, and as far as I'm concerned that oath is still in effect, my retired status notwithstanding. I will accept an offer of a place to stay if it is made.

    I will also intervene on the behalf of a plaintiff who wishes to seek financial assistance from the NRA Firearms Civil Rights Legal Defense Fund. Although I no longer serve on the NRA BOD, I am still known and respected in the organization, and although I can offer no guarantees of financial assistance I will do my utmost to help obtain it.

    I give my blessing to repost this message in any venue where anyone thinks it will do any good.



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    Oh Behalf of many Ohioans who would without a doubt agree with me let me thank you for the offer. We could use more people like you both in the mindset that you have and you previous status in law enforcement. And I agree with you without a shadow of a doubt on how to rid ourselves of the problem that we do have at hand. I cannot be sure if/how many people might take you up on your offer, but I do wish that no one would have to. We need more LEO's in Ohio that have the same views as you have stated. Unfortunately lately our great government has tried saying that defenders of the constitution is a criminal organization. Does that mean that we are all criminals now? Does that mean that honest police officers like you once were are now criminals?

    All in All I do agree WE DO NEED TO PUT A STOP TO THIS CRAP!!!!

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    Liberty Sanders wrote:
    Folks, allow me to introduce myself.

    My name is Harry Thomas, and I'm a retired police lieutenant from the Cincinnati Police Department. I am a former member of the NRA Board of Directors and a former board member of the Ohio Gun Collectors Association. I was the founding vice-president of the Law Enforcement Alliance of America, a national organization of peace officers dedicated to the preservation of gun ownership rights.

    Although I now live in Carmel, Indiana I have been closely following CCW and OC issues in Ohio both here and at OhioCCW.org, and frankly I am getting highly PO'd at the number of incidents of decent citizens having their chains pulled by rogue cops over gun carry issues.

    Let me make something perfectly clear: EVERY COP IN OHIO KNOWS THAT IT IS LEGAL TO CARRY OPENLY! The problem is that some of them don't AGREE with that right, and they choose to harass gun owners because they can get away with it. They fall back on lame excuses about panicked citizens "calling it in" or "inducing panic," as justification to commit civil rights violations. Unfortunately, it is unheard of for an officer to be disciplined for such unlawful conduct.

    When a police officer stops and forcibly detains a citizen based solely on the fact that the citizen is openly carrying a firearm, that police officer is committing the crime of Kidnapping. When a police officer demands that a citizen surrender a legally carried firearm, ESPECIALLY when the demand is made at gunpoint, that police officer is committing the crime of Aggravated Robbery.

    There is one thing and ONLY one thing that will put a stop to this, and that is to hit the cities who allow this by their police departments squarely in the pocketbook!

    I wish to offer my services as an expert witness to any Ohio citizen who has been victimized in the manner I've described above. I am a veteran law enforcement command officer, and I can testify that law officers who engage in this type of behavior do it with the full knowledge that their conduct is unlawful. I've testified many times in many venues concerning gun rights, from Cincinnati City Council, to state legislatures, to the Congress of the United States, and I'm good at it.

    I don't ask for and will not accept expert witness fees for my testimony. When I became a police officer I swore a solemn oath to defend the constitutions of the United States and the State of Ohio, and as far as I'm concerned that oath is still in effect, my retired status notwithstanding. I will accept an offer of a place to stay if it is made.

    I will also intervene on the behalf of a plaintiff who wishes to seek financial assistance from the NRA Firearms Civil Rights Legal Defense Fund. Although I no longer serve on the NRA BOD, I am still known and respected in the organization, and although I can offer no guarantees of financial assistance I will do my utmost to help obtain it.

    I give my blessing to repost this message in any venue where anyone thinks it will do any good.



    Let's put a stop to this crap!









    Is there any way to verify what you say, all of the organizations you mention you seem to be a former member. Do you have contact info, perhaps some other evidence to prove that you arewho you say you are. No offense, but anyone can claim to be anything on the internet. I've been burned before.

    Thanks.
    An Amazon best seller "MY PARENTS OPEN CARRY" http://www.myparentsopencarry.com/

    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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    Welcome to OCDO Liberty Sanders!!!!

    You might prove to be the turning point. A powerful contributor to the cause.

    Thank you for the offer.

    May I suggest sending a Private Message to the founders of this forum to introduce yourself? They are both in law school and don't get the time to visit their own forum regularly. They may miss you as this thread ages.

    They are "JPierce"and "Mike".


    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Venator, Google me, there are a number of entries about me.

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    Liberty Sanders wrote:
    Venator, Google me, there are a number of entries about me.
    An Amazon best seller "MY PARENTS OPEN CARRY" http://www.myparentsopencarry.com/

    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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    Sheesh...a bit more specificity if you please. Try "Lieutenant Harry Thomas Cincinnati NRA."

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    I have PMed Mr. Thomas, and am awaiting a phone call. I will post the results.

    I met Mr. Thomas a number of years back.

    I cannot yet vouch for the poster being him, but I will vouch for Harry Thomas, former CPD, as being a real friend of the law-abiding citizen, ofthe RKBA,for what is right and just, and as being a former member of the NRA B.O.D.

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    I have just gotten off the phone with Mr. Thomas, and am pleased to report that IMHO Liberty Sanders is indeed Harry Thomas, with the background as claimed.

    I met him years ago at a Blue Chip Young Republicans meeting in Cincinnati, when he was still active duty CPD.

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    Liberty Sanders wrote:
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    Excellent post! Thank you for your support.

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    MetalChris wrote:
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    Excellent post! Thank you for your support.
    "Ditto" and Welcome to OC.

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    It is a sad but inescapable fact that some police officers are not fit for the job. Too many sign on because they are bullies at heart and many of these are from the shallow end of the gene pool. It must be terrible to be a decent cop and have to work with and support some of these people.

    Another thing: The cachet of carrying a gun is diminished when citizens are also allowed. This attitude is responsible for a lot of abuses.

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    If you ever need a place to stay in the Toledo area of Ohio, I would be more than happy to have you as a guest in my home.

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    I appreciate that.

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    I read the case #80-945, and I applaud your standing up for your first and second ammendment rights. It is especially disheartening when your brother LEOs cannot stand with you. There are so many people that just don't realize the ease at which freedom can slip away.

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    You Sir
    Are a great hero to this nation for standing up for your rights were so many others have not.
    I believe in your ideas as much as you do. I was born with the right and by god I will do so lawfully

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