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If they can do this in Illinois, they might do it anywhere

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Seattle Gun Rights Examiner strikes again, this time about an amendment to a bill that would prohibit residents in certain adjoining zip codes in south Chicago from having nasty AWs or .50-calibers.

If this idea can float, what's to stop somebody from introducing legislation to prohibit CCW or OC in certain neighborhoods...anywhere?


http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2009m3d25-Illinois-Assembly-considering-racist-bill-aimed-at-minority-neighborhood-in-Chicago

If that doesn't work, try this:
http://tinyurl.com/d3alat
 
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Illinois doesn't have anything to do with Washington.

As can be seen by this document written by Brent H., many municipalities have ordinances that are completely contradictory, not only with each other, but with state law.
http://www.isra.org/links/illinois_municipalities_that_prohibit_and_regulate_firearms.pdf
  1. Washington has effectiveconstitutional protections, while Illinois has none.
  2. Washington has an effective pre-emption law, while Illinois has none.
  3. It is legal to carry a pistol for self defense in Washington, while it is a felony in Illinois.
In certain Illinois communities you can have a car impounded for simply having a BB gun in your trunk. Just because this happens in Illinois, just mean anything whatsoever to Washington.
 
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44 Brent, wazzup? Are not Illinois and Washington both states in the United States? Do they not both exist in the same constitutional legal structure under the same (national) constitution? Should we not all be aware of the dirty tricks being played elsewhere, so that we can better deal with them when they're tried here in Washington?

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Machoduck wrote:
44 Brent, wazzup? Are not Illinois and Washington both states in the United States? Do they not both exist in the same constitutional legal structure under the same (national) constitution? Should we not all be aware of the dirty tricks being played elsewhere, so that we can better deal with them when they're tried here in Washington?

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I think 44 Brent has excellent points about the differences, however. Illinois has a long history of gun control. They are, oddly enough, one of the most restrictive states in the Union. Mostly due to Chicago politics which have long been hard left and dirty.
 
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Machoduck wrote:
As opposed to Mayor Knuckles?

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Yeah. One out of control idiot who has no legal right to do what he is doing, versus a political establishment that is firmly entrenched and firmly anti-gun.
 
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44 Brent, wazzup? Are not Illinois and Washington both states in the United States? Do they not both exist in the same constitutional legal structure under the same (national) constitution?
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The answer is NO, the state constitutions are completely different. If you read the Illinois constitution you will find its RKBA provision to be completely useless, and effectively allows for complete prohibitions. I used to live in Illinois and watched the constant barrage of anti-gun bills that were proposed, and there were probably more filed in Illinois than the rest of the states combined.

Illinois is the state in which the Executive Director of the Illinois State Rifle Association went around beating his drum about the need to "close the gun show loophole."

Illinois is the state in which you can go to a gun rights meeting, and pro-gun activists will proudly show you their Firearms Owner Identification Card that allows them the "privilege" of owning a firearm. Such cards are considered status symbols in Illinois.

Illinois is the state in which a prominent gun rights supporter would tell other people that a preemption law would be a "bad" thing becausehe thought thatunder existing law, themunicipalities can cancel the state law which prohibits carry of pistols for self defense.

Illinois has about as much relevance to Washington, as the South Pole has to the Equator.
 
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At least there is some hope for them:
Concealed carry weapons bill advances

[url]http://jg-tc.com/articles/2009/02/25/news/doc49a4c81621b94162213990.txt[/url]

Concealed carry weapons bill advances

By KURT ERICKSON, JG/T-C Springfield Bureau

SPRINGFIELD — A panel of lawmakers Tuesday endorsed yet another proposal aimed at giving Illinoisans the right to carry concealed weapons.

The House Agriculture and Conservation Committee approved the Republican-led initiative on an 11-1 vote.

The measure, sponsored by state Rep. Bill Mitchell, R-Forsyth, now heads to the full House for further debate. Two other concealed carry bills are pending in the House following action last week.

Among those testifying in favor of the proposal was Decatur City Councilman Dan Caulkins, who said he thinks crime will drop in Decatur if Illinois joins 48 other states where people can carry concealed weapons if they undergo special training.

Caulkins urged lawmakers, who are grappling with a $9-billion budget deficit, to put aside all other issues until a concealed carry law is put in place.

“No spending, no borrowing or appointments should come before this issue,” Caulkins said.

Previous attempts to enact concealed carry legislation have died amid opposition from Chicago-area lawmakers.

The legislation is House Bill 367.
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