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    I have a North Carolina Concealed Carry Handgun Permit, and of course Open Carry is legal in NC without any sort of permit.

    But if I drive to NJ this summer to visit a friend, I can't carry a pistol on me, whether open or concealed???

    Would I basically have to keep it in the trunk the entire road trip???

    If this is the case, HOW DO PPL PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM ALL THE BAD GUYS UP THERE???

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    BRobb19 wrote:
    I have a North Carolina Concealed Carry Handgun Permit, and of course Open Carry is legal in NC without any sort of permit.

    But if I drive to NJ this summer to visit a friend, I can't carry a pistol on me, whether open or concealed???

    Would I basically have to keep it in the trunk the entire road trip???

    If this is the case, HOW DO PPL PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM ALL THE BAD GUYS UP THERE???
    They don't. Want to be safe and not violate any laws ? Don't go there.

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    WTF?

    Ppl must be getting mugged and killed all over the place up there, since the bad guys know that nobody's got any real protection..

    ???
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    Even gettin caught in NJ with a gun in your trunk, you will be in a world of legal hurt.

    You are covered under the Federal transport law only if you are traveling from somewhere that you can legally have a gun to somewhere that you can legally have a gun.

    From what I have heard, you can't have a gun in NJ without a NJ license, or a license NJ recognizes.

    Avoid NJ if at all possible. If not possible, then leave the gun behind.

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    Don't even bring ammunition. What you have is, most likey, illegal in NJ.

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    Born and lived in zoo jersey for 39 years beforeI was able to escape for a better life in SC. In zoo jersey, only politicains and crminals are allowed to have guns. Sorry for being redundent there.

    Long story short, you can't have. Don't bring it. As posted by others, they will have a terrible place for you to stay for a long time.

    Do not ask to or expect to defend yourself or your family if passing through or visiting zoo jersey.

    In zoo jersey as a visitor or a subject, you are not a citizen as either. As either you are a subject.

    Avoid zoo jersey at all cost.

    I will enter zoo jersey one last time in my life, and that is when I have to attend my Grandmother's funneral. Then, done forever with zoo jersey.

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    Agreed. I was just there to visit my sister. I had to leave it at home for the entire trip. I still haven't figured out why she likes living there so much.

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    Camden New Jersey is just across the Delaware river from Philadelphia. Guess which one is listed as one of the top 5 most dangerous cities in the US.

    Trenton and Newark also rank within the top 20 most dangerous cities.

    Must be that Joisey gun control........

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    I was born and raised in NJ and I was glad to leave NJ in 2005 for the great state of GA. I'm from Plainfield, NJ where the streets are run by gang members, NJ law does not allow th law abiding citizens to protect themselves or their love ones....NJ SUCKS THE BIG 1

    NJ will always be a "HELL HOLE", because no one cares about us!

    Sorry but I had to say it!!!!!!

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    Same here. I was also born and raised there. I only go back to visit my parents and in-laws. We carried all the way through Virginia and then cased and locked them in the trunk. If you do this, leave the hollowpoint ammo at home. Big no-no in NJ.

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    "Same here. I was also born and raised there. I only go back to visit my parents and in-laws. We carried all the way through Virginia and then cased and locked them in the trunk. If you do this, leave the hollowpoint ammo at home. Big no-no in NJ."

    Do not travel through Jersey withafirearm unless it istransported in the trunk of your car in a locked container.The magazine(s) must bestowed in the passenger compartmentseperate from the gun. Most importantly,bulletscannot bejacketed in the magazine.If you are traveling to NJ, I'm certain you cannot by law take your gun with you unless you have a residence there.You must alsoapply for a "Firearm Purchase Permit" in NJ. Unless you have connections or are an influential politician, you cannot acquire a carry permit.

    I moved to Florida from Jersey in July 2008. In 2005 Iwas granteda non residential FL Carry Permit.

    In 2003, I attainedanNJ Firearm Purchase Permitandtwo(2)hand gun permits foreach of my weapons. These weapons came with 2 distinct and restrictive rules. 1: The weapon was to be used for home protection onlyand

    2:The gun(s) had to be seperated from the ammo, as described above, while traveling to and from a gun range with no deviations en route.Hell, you even have to register ammo purchasesthere.

    For what it's worth, although I would like totake my hand guns with me to Jersey I always decide not to.Unless you are traveling through Jersey to another state which allowsyou to do so,you cannothave that gunin your possession while in Nazi Jersey. Whenever I travel to Jersey to see my adult children Ialways leave my weapons atanother daughter's house in Virginia. Good luck

    If anyone has info differing from what Istated above please fill me in. I would sure like to legally takemy weaponswith me.



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    Decoligny wrote:
    Even gettin caught in NJ with a gun in your trunk, you will be in a world of legal hurt.

    You are covered under the Federal transport law only if you are traveling from somewhere that you can legally have a gun to somewhere that you can legally have a gun.

    From what I have heard, you can't have a gun in NJ without a NJ license, or a license NJ recognizes.

    Avoid NJ if at all possible. If not possible, then leave the gun behind.
    If you go to www.handgunlaw.us Decoligny you will find that New Jersey is like California and doesn't recognize any other states license. If you are a non-resident might as well be in Illinois where I live. Illinois doesn't have LTC, but residents can "transport" a cased unloaded firearm with ammunition in a magazine in the case in the passenger compartment if they have an Illinois Firearm Owners ID card (FOID) unfortunately many Illinois LEOs are ignorant of the firearms transportation laws. You could transport a firearm in the trunk in Illinois, following federal guidelines.

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    In as much as the mere presence of a handgun in NJ is more of a personal liability than protection; I would not risk it.

    Purpose carry (self defense) is forbidden. This is of course a state denial of the 2A and a civil rights violation... but good luck arguing that in NJ. In that you could not 'get at it' easily... it's useless. Maryland is the same way.

    I have no idea why anyone remains in New Jersey... or would want to visit.

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    BRobb19 wrote:
    I have a North Carolina Concealed Carry Handgun Permit, and of course Open Carry is legal in NC without any sort of permit.

    But if I drive to NJ this summer to visit a friend, I can't carry a pistol on me, whether open or concealed???

    Would I basically have to keep it in the trunk the entire road trip???

    If this is the case, HOW DO PPL PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM ALL THE BAD GUYS UP THERE???
    Throw your cell phone at the bad guy

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    I've been closely studying NJ laws, as I intend to apply for an non-resident CCW since my inlaws live there and I visit quite often. So here's my take on it:

    Basically, what the other members are saying is pretty much the truth. You can transport through the state, but not if your destination is NJ(hotel room in NJ is tricky since it "may" be considered like an apartment rental or premisis). Carry permits are nearly impossible to get,resident or non-resident alike.And no, there's no unlicensed open carry either.

    And, if you read the laws closely, it seems as if a resident of NJ can only use it in self defense on their property or buisness(the law doesn't say for what purpose, so if you use it in self defense I would assume its lawful there).At gun shows, target ranges, and hunting grounds where you can carry,the law states "for the purpouse of" and self-defense is noticeably absent. So, if you're wifes being attacked on a public street outside your house, you run out of the house and onto the street and shoot the perp, you could get charged with carrying without a permit, even if the shooting was justifiable.

    Your legal options in NJ are limited to a small bottle of pepper spray, unfortunately.

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    I too am a happy refugee from NJ, actually South Jersey (the 51st state). I was born there and NJ wasn't always so gun unfriendly - I remember when my family moved into a brand new house in a new development in East Vineland, it was around 1958 we had some vacant lots behind our house that had not yet sold.

    One of these lots had a huge mound of dirt piled about 20 feet high, and it became infested with rats. My dad poured gas into the rat holes, then took a long pipe with a rag tied to the end and lit it on fire and threw it like a spear into the hill!!

    BOOM, rats and dirt went everywhere, and my dad was shooting them with my .22 rifle. Us kids were picking up the dead rats and putting them in a row when a New Jersey State Trooper drove up and started walking towards my dad....he gave ME the rifle (I was 8) and told me to take it into the house....the trooper saw this and looked at the rats and said "Someone here is a really good shot" then told my dad that it would be better if he stopped the shooting part.

    Then he left...that was the extent of it....I gave that rifle to my son when he turned 10 - it's still in the family. But in the late 60's, life started changing everywhere and it especially took it's toll on New Jersey. I left at 18 and only rarely go back to see my mom and sister, unarmed of course, both still in South Jersey. I love the freedom in Virginia!!!

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    New Jersey has no provision for Self Defense in it's State Constitution. It may have been written out during the State ConstitutionConventions of 1867 as Maryland's was... With the adoption of the 14th Amendment... 'African American's could bear arms'. :what:

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    Born and raised there myself, gun laws are tough in jerzy. Even the type of ammunition you can own and use have restrictions. Its a rought place to visit if your an avid weapon owner who carries everywhere you go. I myself moved to Kentucky, one of the most gun friendly states in the union.

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    junglebob wrote:
    Decoligny wrote:
    Even gettin caught in NJ with a gun in your trunk, you will be in a world of legal hurt.

    You are covered under the Federal transport law only if you are traveling from somewhere that you can legally have a gun to somewhere that you can legally have a gun.*

    From what I have heard, you can't have a gun in NJ without a NJ license, or a license NJ recognizes.

    Avoid NJ if at all possible.* If not possible, then leave the gun behind.
    If you go to www.handgunlaw.us Decoligny you will find that New Jersey is like California and doesn't recognize any other states license.** If you are a non-resident might as well be in Illinois where I live.** Illinois doesn't have LTC, but residents can "transport" a cased unloaded firearm with ammunition in a magazine in the case in the passenger compartment if they have an Illinois Firearm Owners ID card (FOID) unfortunately many Illinois LEOs are ignorant of the firearms transportation laws.* You could transport a firearm in the trunk in Illinois, following federal guidelines.
    Were you still living in NJ when you got your NJ permit and was it a pain to get and how did you go about getting one. I'm in GA now and I was thinking about getting one. My mom still lives in Plainfield, NJ.

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    While I try my best to avoid admitting it, I too was born and raised in NJ. I left at 18, never to return. Bubba Ron's story resonates with me, however. Born in 1945, the socialist revolution which evidently swept the state in the late 60's didn't occur 'til after I had left. My town was rural-becoming-suburban, and I recall shooting my BB gun and .22 Benjamin CO2 air rifle in the back yard, killing squirrels like crazy. I was a pretty good shot even then. When I got interested in shooting "real guns", my father asked the police if we could use their range (behind the RR tracks, at the edge of town) when they weren't there. With some reluctance, they agreed, but they knew I was a level-headed kid, so I started going there. At first I was accompanied by a parent, but by the time I was 16 or so, my shooting buddy and I would walk down the tracks, in front of the police station, through the center of town OC'ing all the way. We didn't even know the term open-carrying. We just figured that was a good way to carry guns to the range since we couldn't drive yet. Never any problems from anyone. Really! When we got licences we shot in a sand pit a few miles west of town, and at 18, at a range up in the mountains of NW Jersey. My father typically carried a Walther P-38 under his car seat when we took any major trips, and it was no big deal to any of us.

    I don't recall any significant crime or misuse of guns. Just about all our neighbors had them. School/mall/church shootings were unheard of.

    It didn't take long for the socialists to change all that.

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    Why does everyone wonder or question the number of restrictive gun laws in New Jersey. This is a state that doesn't trust people to pump their own gasoline. Why would they trust anyone with a firearm.

    For anyone unaware, New Jersey is one of two states in the country that does not allow self serve at gas stations. An attendant must pump the gasoline into your tank.

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    Did anyone ever notice that the entire state of NJ smells like gasoline?

    I think it's because the ground water has been replaced by 93 octane premium. Except Camden, Newark and the outskirts of Atlantic City - there its 87 octane regular.

    You cannot pump your own gas there because they don't want you making a mistake that would problably blow up the entire state.

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    So let me get this straight - I can't legally protect myself when I drive up to visit New Jersey?
    Yes you can protect yourself while in NJ, you just can't use a gun to do it.

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    So let me get this straight - I can't legally protect myself when I drive up to visit New Jersey?
    Yes you can protect yourself while in NJ, you just can't use a gun to do it.
    Not fully, we have what's called "Duty to Retreat" in our laws.

    Basically, if you have ANY avenue of escape from a situation before the use of violence is predicated, you MUST make an escape, or else you're criminally-liable for the use of violence, even if it's to stop someone from killing you.

    Even in your own home, if someone broke in and is about to shoot you, you have to jump out your window or you're violating duty to retreat.

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    Pyrodox wrote:
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    So let me get this straight - I can't legally protect myself when I drive up to visit New Jersey?
    Yes you can protect yourself while in NJ, you just can't use a gun to do it.
    Not fully, we have what's called "Duty to Retreat" in our laws.

    Basically, if you have ANY avenue of escape from a situation before the use of violence is predicated, you MUST make an escape, or else you're criminally-liable for the use of violence, even if it's to stop someone from killing you.

    Even in your own home, if someone broke in and is about to shoot you, you have to jump out your window or you're violating duty to retreat.
    It's incredible to me that this sort of legislation can exist in the United States. It runs counter to everythingthat webelievein ourculture. This is institutionalized cowardice. I've run into a 'Joisy' sounding snowbird here within the past week whoyells at me in a (Target) mall parking lot a few cars over:"What the hell are you doing with that gun???" "I'm calling the police!!!" (If I was a bad guy his ticket would'a been punched right there...)

    So... I continue to load my SUV from the rear hatch... (He's on his cell phone) Then I hear him tellin' whoever's still in the front seat of his car...: "What kind of a place is this? Peoplewith guns in the streetsalready?"I slammed the hatch down on the Exploder 'n this dude jumped about a foot off the ground. He's still hangin' onto his cell phone... open mouthed.

    I never said a word 'cept gave him a grin when I drove by him. I guess 911 operators get a lot of that this time of year.


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