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    Just learning about open carry. I have a few questions. Is there somewhere with a list of cities in Michigan where OC is banned. And I Have a beretta 92fs with an inside the pant holster. The entire handle and up to a little in front of the rear sight is viewable if I tuck my shirt behind it. Would this be considered O.K. or not? Any feedback would be appreciated.

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    First: Welcome to OCDO
    Second: Please read the stickyed threads at the top of the forum.
    Third: Preemption nullifies all local ordinances against open carry.
    Forth: If you have a CPL the shirt tucked behind the IWB holster is fine.
    Fifth: If you do not have a valid CPL DO NOT CARRY USING AN IWB HOLSTER !

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    As doug said,

    Open Carry is legal statewide. Per MCL 123.1102, No local form of gov't can make any regulations regarding transportation and carriage of a firearm.

    The ONLY thing local gov't can regulate with regard to firearms is the discharge of the firearm.

    Welcome to OCDO. Read up, there's a lot of laws to wrap your brain around!

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    Thanks guys, I'm gonna get a smaller pistol soon anyway. Earlier I tried out my Ruger GP-100, with a regular belt holster, It was quite noticeable. I live in metro detroit so people would have had a fit. I'm Thinking about a Kahr, a Kel Tec, or Smith & Wesson 5-shot .38, .357, or Taurus 5 shot .38, .357.

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    aceofspades3ss3 wrote:
    Thanks guys, I'm gonna get a smaller pistol soon anyway. Earlier I tried out my Ruger GP-100, with a regular belt holster, It was quite noticeable. I live in metro detroit so people would have had a fit. I'm Thinking about a Kahr, a Kel Tec, or Smith & Wesson 5-shot .38, .357, or Taurus 5 shot .38, .357.
    If you think Livonia's bad, try in Ann Arbor!

    Seriously though, 90% of people are in their own world and don't even notice. The only people I catch flak from are Mall Security and off-duty police officers. They all seem to think that the only people who carry besides them are criminals.

    I keep information on me and use it profusely.

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    aceofspades3ss3 wrote:
    Thanks guys, I'm gonna get a smaller pistol soon anyway. Earlier I tried out my Ruger GP-100, with a regular belt holster, It was quite noticeable. I live in metro detroit so people would have had a fit. I'm Thinking about a Kahr, a Kel Tec, or Smith & Wesson 5-shot .38, .357, or Taurus 5 shot .38, .357.
    Welcome aboard! You will learn that open carrying, no matter how big or small the handgun, actually isn't a big deal to the overwhelming number of other people in the overwhelming number of times you do it. Therefore, purchase and carry the firearm YOU feel comfortable with from the perspective of survivability. That is what matters.

    I suggest you come to an open-carry gathering before making a final purchase decision. See all the different sizes and types of handguns. Talk with folks about the various things they like about what they carry.
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    welcome to OC

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    dougwg wrote:
    First: Welcome to OCDO
    Second: Please read the stickyed threads at the top of the forum.
    Third: Preemption nullifies all local ordinances against open carry.
    Forth: If you have a CPL the shirt tucked behind the IWB holster is fine.
    Fifth: If you do not have a valid CPL DO NOT CARRY USING AN IWB HOLSTER !
    Somewhere in all my research I missed the part about if you have a CPL the shirt tucked behind the IWB holster is fine. I could have easily OC'd at the Coffee Beanery meeting!

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    Ethan_Frome wrote:
    dougwg wrote:
    First: Welcome to OCDO
    Second: Please read the stickyed threads at the top of the forum.
    Third: Preemption nullifies all local ordinances against open carry.
    Forth: If you have a CPL the shirt tucked behind the IWB holster is fine.
    Fifth: If you do not have a valid CPL DO NOT CARRY USING AN IWB HOLSTER !
    Somewhere in all my research I missed the part about if you have a CPL the shirt tucked behind the IWB holster is fine. I could have easily OC'd at the Coffee Beanery meeting!
    We had a member arrested for that. At this time we don't know of any case law supporting an IWB. So be careful.
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    Venator wrote:
    Ethan_Frome wrote:
    Somewhere in all my research I missed the part about if you have a CPL the shirt tucked behind the IWB holster is fine...
    We had a member arrested for that. At this time we don't know of any case law supporting an IWB. So be careful.
    Brian, wasn't the guy arrested because he wasopen carrying with an IWB holster and hedid NOT have a CPL? I think Ethan is talking about carrying in that manner WITH a CPL, right? And our expectation is this is unambiguously lawful, correct? If you have a CPL, you can carry in this manner because if it's considered concealed, you are covered by your license, and if it's considered open carry you are covered because OC is not illegal. Is that reasoning right?
    "The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

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    DanM wrote:
    Venator wrote:
    Ethan_Frome wrote:
    Somewhere in all my research I missed the part about if you have a CPL the shirt tucked behind the IWB holster is fine...
    We had a member arrested for that. At this time we don't know of any case law supporting an IWB. So be careful.
    Brian, wasn't the guy arrested because he wasopen carrying with an IWB holster and hedid NOT have a CPL? I think Ethan is talking about carrying in that manner WITH a CPL, right? And our expectation is this is unambiguously lawful, correct? If you have a CPL, you can carry in this manner because if it's considered concealed, you are covered by your license, and if it's considered open carry you are covered because OC is not illegal. Is that reasoning right?
    Yes of course I was referring to no CPL. With a CPL the gun can be anywhere on orin your body.
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    Venator wrote:
    ...in your body.
    :what:

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    ISMOID wrote:
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    ...in your body.
    :what:
    With an ismoidal scope.:celebrate That's deep concealment.
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    Is there specific code on how much gun has to be exposed?

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    AB wrote:
    Is there specific code on how much gun has to be exposed?
    No, and that is the problem. There is an AG opinion about holsters being not concealed, but obviously IWB holsters started off as being intended to conceal. Also, flap holsters hide most of the gun, to the point where you might think someone was carrying even if a flap holster was empty.

    It's something that could use case law, but no one wants to be the test subject.
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    When ever law is not defined by itself, you have to look at law definitions like ina dictionary attorneys use.

    ie,Blacks Law Dictionary


    "There is an AG opinion about holsters " Do you have this?

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    I OC in Warren and have OCed in Livonia. Recently I OCed at the Rock Financial Showplace.Had to unload my IWB 45acp at the door and they put a chicken strap through the barrel which allowed me to put said 45 back in IWB. Reloaded on my way out the door.No Problem in Livonia,Warren or anywhere I have OCed.As should always be anywhere in MI. Thank you Guy's! God Bless!
    Today JESUS would tell me to sell my coat and buy two Springfield XD Compact 45acp's!

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    hamaneggs wrote:
    I OC in Warren and have OCed in Livonia. Recently I OCed at the Rock Financial Showplace.Had to unload my IWB 45acp at the door and they put a chicken strap through the barrel which allowed me to put said 45 back in IWB. Reloaded on my way out the door.No Problem in Livonia,Warren or anywhere I have OCed.As should always be anywhere in MI. Thank you Guy's! God Bless!
    I live near 9 and Ryan, need some local lunches! Tired of seeing those guys in Jackson having all the fun...

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    AB wrote:
    When ever law is not defined by itself, you have to look at law definitions like ina dictionary attorneys use.

    ie,Blacks Law Dictionary


    "There is an AG opinion about holsters " Do you have this?
    All your questions can be answered here: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/13328.html

    We have the AG opinions cite in a few places, check out the download of the MOC Open carry brochure in the above link.
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    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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