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    http://newsminer.com/photos/gallerie...cartoons/1960/

    I'm a wee bit curious about this one. For starters as I work in the newspaper industry, I'm not taking this as an endorsement from the paper, but rather something that was presented in light of recent public interest/concern in the subject presented at hand. Clearly it is meant as a conversation starter. What I'd like to know is what set off that need for conversation? There are clearly a lot of people talking about OC, pro and against to get the level of interest that would justify that cartoon.



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    It did say that it was a "trick question".

    I would suggest that the guy drinking is actually the bigger threat to life since he is actively driving about a 21,000,000 grain bullet. The guy with the gun out the window is dumb to be sure, but until he actually points it at someone and pulls the trigger, hes not much of a danger unless he drops it out the window at 60 MPH.

    Remember, 1 pound = 7000 grains

    Which is more of a danger...
    a 2000 - 4000 pound car?
    or
    a 100 to 230 grain bullet?

    Not a tough question to answer really.

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    I think that cartoon represents good progress. When you get some irrational moron to slander your cause in such an unrealisticfashion, you know you've gone a long way.
    Answer every question about open carry in Michigan you ever had with one convenient and free book- http://libertyisforeveryone.com/open-carry-resources/

    The complete and utter truth can be challenged from every direction and it will always hold up. Accordingly there are few greater displays of illegitimacy than to attempt to impede free thought and communication.

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    Clearly...

    The guy yelling and trying to use that surplus flare gun to signal for help is trying to save himself from an out-of-the-frame threat to his life, obviously not a threat to anyone.

    The half-asleep guy being distracted by those little bubbles floating around his face as he is driving his car is a danger...the police should pull him over after helping the flare gun guy get out of whatever dangerous situation he got himself into.



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    Mr. Nobody, the cartoon artist, asks about the threat to innocent life. Does he include himself among the innocents? Probably. He sees himself as an innocent in the grand scheme of politics, while at the sames time making irresponsible and inaccurate characterizations about an activity he fears without bothering to understand. Bravely drawn, sir.

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    Don't know about all of your laws but in Va. that is not open carry!

    That is IMO brandishing and would not be legal.

    OC is your gun riding peaceably in your holster, not covered by a garment - threatening no one. Someone waving a gun about, out the window of a vehicle is considered a threat in Va.

    I'm going to have to look again but I think his finger was even on the trigger.
    Yep - just checked - it sure is - he is a twitch away from discharging a round.

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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Brandishing, trigger finger, etc. not withstanding... my answer to the cartoonist's question would be:

    Who is the law breaker? The person drinking and driving, or the person open carrying?

    One is a felon, the other, a law abiding citizen.

    Pretty clear from where I sit... :P


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    nukechaser wrote:
    Brandishing, trigger finger, etc. not withstanding... my answer to the cartoonist's question would be:

    Who is the law breaker? The person drinking and driving, or the person open carrying?

    One is a felon, the other, a law abiding citizen.

    Pretty clear from where I sit... :P
    No doubt your question is better. The depiction of the OCer then should then have been a much more positive image. As the cartoon is offered, it gives a negative impression of both - even more so of the OCer. The artist is no friend of mine.

    Not foggy here either.

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    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    The biggest threat is the politition on the left frame.:shock:
    The right frame is only a threat to low flying black helicopters.

    But it should be pointed out the BIGGEST threat is BHO taking away both
    those rights, and privilages.




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    I replied to 'Feedback':



    Re: Open Container - Open Carry cartoon.
    The character with it's booger picker on the bang switch is 'Brandishing'. Open Carry is holstered... benign and a threat to nobody not acting as a threat to others. It's also a civil RIGHT!

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    Well, in Ca. the first is always a crime but the second is only IF done in the presence of another...

    :Pto the cartoonist

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    cato wrote:
    Well, in Ca. the first is always a crime but the second is only IF done in the presence of another...

    :Pto the cartoonist
    The message as delivered is how many of the antis view us - it only reinforces their thinking.

    Irresponsible journalism isn't limited to the front page and ed/op pieces.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    NavyLT wrote:
    snip.........
    trigger on the finger
    Submitted on their feedback page. Dang it, I wrote trigger on the finger.... I meant finger on the trigger... oh well, too late now.
    Freudian slip or finger got to contact point(s) without control of brain stem summit.

    Gotta use preview button before pulling the trigger. I should heed my own advice more often to this regard.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    NavyLT wrote:
    snip.........
    trigger on the finger
    Submitted on their feedback page. Dang it, I wrote trigger on the finger.... I meant finger on the trigger... oh well, too late now.
    Freudian slip or finger got to contact point(s) without control of brain stem summit.

    Gotta use preview button before pulling the trigger. I should heed my own advice more often to this regard.

    Yata hey

    Yes, please do. :P

    (I know I'm gonna pay for that; but I just couldn't resist.)

    (Oh! The irony!I forgot to use the preview button. We need a 7-second delay button around here like radio DJs have.)

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
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    Gotta use preview button before pulling the trigger. I should heed my own advice more often to this regard.

    Yata hey
    Yes, please do. :P

    (I know I'm gonna pay for that; but I just couldn't resist.)

    (Oh! The irony!I forgot to use the preview button. We need a 7-second delay button around here like radio DJs have.)
    We've been waiting for you - knew that you would get here eventually.

    Hope you did not have too stressful a day and will be able to contribute something beneficial.

    BTW - see, cheap pot shots are not all that expensive.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    SNIP Hope you...will be able to contribute something beneficial.

    BTW - see, cheap pot shots are not all that expensive.
    Ouch!
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    SNIP Hope you...will be able to contribute something beneficial.

    BTW - see, cheap pot shots are not all that expensive.
    Ouch!
    Oh but I said it with a smile on my face and a laughter in my voice - doesn't that lesson (sp-intended) the sting? :P

    Back on thread - my kitty expressed my opinion of the cartoon better than I could have do so alone - I put it in her litter box.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Citizen wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    SNIP Hope you...will be able to contribute something beneficial.

    BTW - see, cheap pot shots are not all that expensive.
    Ouch!
    Oh but I said it with a smile on my face and a laughter in my voice - doesn't that lesson (sp-intended) the sting? :P
    That's a new one on me. I'll have to borrow that.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Oh, but I said it with a smile on my face and a laughter in my voice...
    Somebody recently lectured me about punctuation. Now, let me think. Who was that? Where did I put my copy of that lecture?

    Hmmmmm. Can't recall. :P

    (We're gonna end up in a fight over the nuances of punctuation before this is over. Just watch. Sooner of later one us is going to be diggingup an 18th century reference on exclamations. I just know it.)

    PS: Does the smileygo inside the parenthesis or outside?

    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
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    Oh, but I said it with a smile on my face and a laughter in my voice...
    Somebody recently lectured me about punctuation. Now, let me think. Who was that? Where did I put my copy of that lecture?

    Hmmmmm. Can't recall. :P

    (We're gonna end up in a fight over the nuances of punctuation before this is over. Just watch. Sooner of later one us is going to be diggingup an 18th century reference on exclamations. I just know it.)

    PS: Does the smileygo inside the parenthesis or outside?
    Just trying to keep you occupied. You know what they say about idle fingers.
    Doing my best to provide you with your requisite distraction.

    Re: Elements of punctuation - Style Book
    http://contemporarylit.about.com/od/...ntsOfStyle.htm

    Re: PS (more correctly P.S.) depends on what the smiley modifies.

    Still sometimes prefer computer English though.

    BTW - the lesson vs lesser thing came to me as the "lesson of two evils" late one night - it was a bolt of brilliance -rare but beautiful.

    Now as to the cat/cartoon/litter box - the cat decided it stunk too much and buried it.

    Yata hey


    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    MHVishal wrote:
    I was traveling to London form mach ester and Jewish family was sitting rite next to me and they were so arrogant and rude. The mans son had dropped his apple on the floor.so i tried to help him but his dad just snached it form my hand!!!!! My cousin sister was going to argue with them but then i stopped the argument.Personally id say jew are so weird bcoz they chuck alcohol in a new born baby's mouth.
    Um... relevance to the OP or the context of OC?

    Yea, None, please try reading the thread before you comment.

    I don't care for your generalization of a religion or a culture based upon a "weird" dinner experience. Such comments stretch the bounds of the forums ROE.

    Also, please use spell check. It almost reads that you were under the influence of the "open container" yourself when you wrote this. People will take you more seriously when they don't have to guess at every third word.

    Other than that, welcome to OCDO. Please feel free to join in the conversation with relevant opinion and or information.

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    Way to fall for the spambot FMCDH

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    Elkad wrote:
    Way to fall for the spambot FMCDH
    Hey, the point is still relevant!

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    Is the spambot programmed to say bad things about jewish people when posting on gun forums? Is this an official DHS stereotyping spambot?



    BTW, as to the cartoon. Picture it depicted differently. Man staggering to his car, beer can in 1 hand, keys in the other. Right side- OCer walking normally to his car, keys in hand. Now we have a very pro gun version. Even better if the drunk guy is Ted Kennedy LOL.

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    FMCDH wrote:
    Elkad wrote:
    Way to fall for the spambot FMCDH
    Hey, the point is still relevant!
    I suspect the bot has this BS message to piss people off and keep quoting it, and thus giving the links contained therein higher prominence in search listings.

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