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    I went 4 wheeling in my Bronco today with my brother atGeneral Plastics... OCing my Glock23. I was idling around looking for another good mud hole when I noticed something orange in the bushes in front of me. It became shockingly apparent to me that it was the magazine of an AK-74 that was intentionally andwith a tactical stance,pointed right at me.....First things first....OH F#$% ME...2nd.....Drew my weapon and started to raise it at the guy while shifting into reverse. I almost pulled a shot offwhen I noticed a few other guys withanHK G-36c, an HK USP,a Glock 18 and an FN P90(not PS90)The only one with an orange tipped barrel was the USP, .....I drove into the middle ofan air soft match. I remember being 15 with a Glock 27 air soft gun with an orange tipped barrel that I painted over to look cool but I was smart enough not to take it out in public let alone point it at anybody. I drove over to the kids (teenagers) and told him how close he got to getting shot....he didn't seemed convinced of the danger and he and his friend blew me off and kept playing....pinheads

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    There have been instances of kids shooting airsoft at people and getting real rounds returned.

    2 instances in particular I remember, one at a taco bell where a cpl holder saw a guy withy a gun pointed at him, another where a bunch of kids borrowed moms SUV and thought it would be cool to point airsoft mp5s/aks/etc out the window at motorists, moms suv came back with a few holes in it..
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    Drew my weapon and started to raise it at the guy while shifting into reverse.
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    Seems like Forest Gump was far wiser than he looked/sounded. His wisdom "Stupid is as stupid does" seems to apply in this case.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    Little bastards.

    That's some pretty scary stuff, because of course YOU (the shooter) would almost certainly be in a world of hot water even though -- in my mind, anyhow -- you wouldn't be at fault.

    I walk my dogs through some wooded areas where kids play airsoft, and I've wondered about that same scenario. At least I know that they are airsoft areas, though, so I'd probably be a little slower to draw.

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    Good discretion. You would have been in some **** for shooting some kids playing airsoft even though I'd agree with the shot.

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    jeeper1 wrote:
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    Drew my weapon and started to raise it at the guy while shifting into reverse.
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    Are you a lefty also? Driving is one of the few things where being a lefty has the advantage.
    No...im a rightey....it is an automatic on the collum so it was pretty akward but not to hard to do. Our platoon has done pretty good training with this exact scenerio as well as many othersand it kicked in just like it should.

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    Holy frak dude! Glad you where able to realize what was going on before you pulled the trigger.

    Stupid effin kids.

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    Good discretion. You would have been in some @#$% for shooting some kids playing airsoft even though I'd agree with the shot.
    I think I would have been ok....even though i would probably feel like ****. I know guns....better than %99.999 of cops and I gauruntee they would have taken the shot. From 2 feet away I could read the markings on the side of the weapon "5.45mm" and some writing in Russian. Any person of reasonable and understanding would take his actions as temper and intent to use deadly force.....just incase you were wondering:

    Temper and intent- The attitude and objectives of an individual displayed by his actions and equipment.

    Deadly force- That force which a person uses with the purpose of causing death or serious bodily harm, or which a reasonable person would consider likely to create a substantial risk of causing death or serious bodily harm.

    Serious bodily harm- Injuries which have a strong potential to be life threatening. These injuries may result in the permanent loss of use of an organ or limb, fractured or dislocated bones, deep cuts, torn members of the body or serious damage to internal or sensory organs

    BTW I am a deadly force application and justification instructor. (self defense)

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    Yet another example of why I don't let my kids play with toy guns.

    All of my kids (five of 'em, from 6 to 21) own real guns. The one time I let the youngest have a water pistol (because a relative gave it to him), we warned him that the rules were the same as for a real gun: "Never point it at people or pets!"

    I gave him one warning when he was pointing it at a cat. When he pointed it at his sister, I took it away and stomped it into a thousand pieces on the concrete.

    Back to real guns, no more toys. They seem to respect real guns a whole lot more.


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    KBCraig wrote:
    Yet another example of why I don't let my kids play with toy guns.

    All of my kids (five of 'em, from 6 to 21) own real guns. The one time I let the youngest have a water pistol (because a relative gave it to him), we warned him that the rules were the same as for a real gun: "Never point it at people or pets!"

    I gave him one warning when he was pointing it at a cat. When he pointed it at his sister, I took it away and stomped it into a thousand pieces on the concrete.

    Back to real guns, no more toys. They seem to respect real guns a whole lot more.
    +10000000000 and more. I feel just the same way KB.

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    +1 for the good discretion, you woulda been justified to shoot but it would have been very tragic.

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    when he pointed it at me.....it just didn't make much sense. an ak74 aint that rare but all the other guns were and was just unprovoked. Had i not seen his friends, i may have put a couple rounds down range though.

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    I play airsoft, but only during a sanctioned match on an actual airsoft or paintball field. I play with Spokane Airsoft and we have had some pretty intense discussion about playing in the public woods and the hazards associated with it. Most of us paint over our orange tips because they do give away position in the match.

    That kid is very lucky you were able to ID the threat and not pull the trigger.

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    So we can enjoy recreational activities wherever we choose to, but the kids can't. On property that is not under our ownership or control.
    That's not the point....the point is some stupid kid decided to take the orange tip off his airsoft gun (which is on there for exactly this point) and then pointed it at someone, someone who happened to be armed with something besides a toy, and would have been justified in pulling the trigger on this kid. Luckily, it didn't happen that way, but he would have been justified in doing so. Nothing to do with property rights or saying the kids can't do airsoft......sempercarry wasn't playing their game, and by removing the orange tip, the kid made it so it was much harder to make a judgement call on whether it was a real gun or not.

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    You said you saw orange though? I am no expert on AK-47's but wouldn't that indicate a trainer or fake of somesort? I would have done the same regardless. When I was a teen, I was walking up the road to my girlfriend's (Future wife) house at night. At one of the intersections I was crossing a carful of girls drove up and they were laughing. I looked up to see a gun pointed at me. It was probably fake, but it looked real so I tried not to notice and walk away. I figured that if they were going to do something, I wouldn't be able to outrun them in a car anyways. Scared the crud outta me though. If it were me now I would have drawn and scared the crap out of them instead. Like I said, it was probably fake, but I would not bet my life on it.

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    I play airsoft on my private property, and call the sherriff's office about 1 hour before we start, and I warn my neighbors that they may see a bunch of guys in camo running around with guns and masks on, just for this very reason.

    The sherriff office usually ask how many people will be playing and for how long, they too seem interested in safety. As we have also painted over our orange tips for better tactics, my M16 commando is VERY realistic as is my Sigma gas blowback pistol with silencer, and my G3's are down right scary looking,lol.

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    Nitrox314 wrote:
    You said you saw orange though? I am no expert on AK-47's but wouldn't that indicate a trainer or fake of somesort?
    Actually AK-74 mags are some times an orange color not blaze orange but kinda tan/orange andI have seen some that are just regular oragne not blaze, but orange.

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    Great self control, kids dont get it, but when i was younger i didnt get it either, you just dont think when your that age.

    kudos to you.

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    NavyLT wrote:
    Red "bravo" flags to the entrance to the property? That would fix it. Maybe with the word "AIRSOFT" printed on it. If I saw a red flag with airsoft on it, I would know what it meant.
    That sounds like a good idea. That and leaving the damn orange tip where it belongs.

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    Aren't orange markers required by federal law?

    Federal Regulations, Title 15, Part 1150, it clearly states that these orange markings must be "permanently affixed to the muzzle end of the barrel as an integral part of the entire device
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    TechnoWeenie wrote:
    Aren't orange markers required by federal law?

    Federal Regulations, Title 15, Part 1150, it clearly states that these orange markings must be "permanently affixed to the muzzle end of the barrel as an integral part of the entire device
    I think that orange tips are only required until it's privately owned. I seem to remember a thread here on OCDO somewhere (I didn't search and it may have been another forum) that "decided" that as long as the guns are sold with the orange tip, that's all that the law wants. Once you own the gun you're free to cover it, remove it or whatever.

    I don't play Airsoft at all, however, so I don't stay up on laws surrounding it and I could be completely wrong.
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    TechnoWeenie wrote:
    Aren't orange markers required by federal law?

    Federal Regulations, Title 15, Part 1150, it clearly states that these orange markings must be "permanently affixed to the muzzle end of the barrel as an integral part of the entire device
    You can't remove it but you can paint over it I suppose. Maybe have it chrome plated.

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    Orange tips are a great idea but are you not going to defend yourself if someone is pointing an orange tip weapon at you in a threatening manner? Don't you think criminals are smart enough to paint the end of their real gun orange to get that extra edge on someone?

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    TechnoWeenie wrote:
    Aren't orange markers required by federal law?

    Federal Regulations, Title 15, Part 1150, it clearly states that these orange markings must be "permanently affixed to the muzzle end of the barrel as an integral part of the entire device
    That is for the importation of the airsoft weapon into the United States. Once they are here, you can start to modify then to your heart's content. I have a full size M16A3 and have painted the tip black on it. It is a dead ringer for a real M16. I transport it to and from events in a plastic gun case with a bright red muzzle cover on the end.

    Playing airsoft take a bit of common sense, of course I am lucky enough to be in an area where we have a league and teams with controlled games and multi-day ops.

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