Venator wrote:Per Section 5f. (3), CPL holders must immediately disclose to a Peace Officer that he/she is carrying and on request we must produce the CPL and/or drivers license. In this case I would probably disclose as opposed tobeing subjected toa $500 civil infraction and 6 months suspension of my CPL.[/b][/b]If these stops are not based on any reasonable suspicion and you can exercise your 5th and 4th amendment rights would a CPL holder have to immediately disclose he was carrying a concealed weapon? Would he have to produce a driver’s license? [/b]
IOW, once the officer knows that you are carrying a concealed weapon, does that constitute RAS and therefore require disclosure? If so, IMO, there goes your 4th and 5th rightdoen the drain.
Venator wrote:I wonder how many those who were detained was carrying and are required by law to disclose?[/b]There are many videos of people resisting to submit to any commands from the border patrol including, not producing a driver’s license or any ID. The people are allowed to leave after being detained up to 30 minutes. It’s obvious from the videos that some of these officers are either ignorant of us law or are intentionally violating them.[/b]
Venator wrote:Christ, why don't they make it easier on themselves and just consider the entire State of Michigan a check point. :X[/b]Below is a map that shows the approximate area that the border patrol can set up these check points and enforce immigration laws [/b]Michigan [/b]This should cause every student of personal liberty a great deal of concern. No matter how bad immigration may, or may not be, to give up more personal freedoms in the fight of illegal immigrants, and ancillary to enforce drugs laws (Which in my opinion is the real reason, and don’t get me started on that subject.) is in all ways problematic. There have been check points in Tecumseh, [/b]Detroit [/b]and at least one in the UP.[/b]
Venator wrote:Ipersonally, fortunately, have never experienced/seen a check point in Michigan or elsewhere.[/b][/b]If anyone knows of any ongoing border patrol check point within the [/b]Michigan [/b]border please PM me.[/b]