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    Somewhere I read (I thought here) something about the VA legislature recently passing a law allowing the state to take away any lands used for militia training if that training was intended to be used against the government. I've searched and searched and can't find anything.

    Anyone know the truth about this? If it is true what the code section number is?

    Thanks,

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    Summary as introduced:
    Paramilitary activity; penalty. Makes it a Class 5 felony to provide land or other resources knowing that it will be used to conduct illegal paramilitary activities. Full text:
    01/14/09 Senate: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/14/09 091519216 (impact statement)

    Status:
    01/14/09 Senate: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/14/09 091519216
    01/14/09 Senate: Referred to Committee for Courts of Justice
    01/15/09 Senate: Assigned Courts sub: Criminal
    02/09/09 Senate: Stricken at the request of Patron in Courts of Justice (14-Y 0-N)

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    peter nap wrote:
    Summary as introduced:
    Paramilitary activity; penalty. Makes it a Class 5 felony to provide land or other resources knowing that it will be used to conduct illegal paramilitary activities. Full text:
    01/14/09 Senate: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/14/09 091519216 (impact statement)

    Status:
    01/14/09 Senate: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/14/09 091519216
    01/14/09 Senate: Referred to Committee for Courts of Justice
    01/15/09 Senate: Assigned Courts sub: Criminal
    02/09/09 Senate: Stricken at the request of Patron in Courts of Justice (14-Y 0-N)
    The patron of this bill was Cuccinelli? I thought he was all progun. By "stricken" that means the bill was removed from consideration by Cuccinelli himself and is now dead?

    Thanks, Peter. I for some reason remembered there was a confiscation clause in the bill. Do you remember anything like that? I was wondering why they/he/whomever felt the need to add this to the statute at this time. I mean we haven't been having problems with illegal militias in VA have we?

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    The Governor was behind it. But it was to of no affect.

    By his Excellency the Right Hon. JOHN Earl of DUNMORE, his Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of the Colony and Dominion of Virginia, and Vice Admiral of the same:

    A Proclamation.

    VIRGINIA, to wit,

    WHEREAS I have been informed, from undoubted Authority, that a certain Patrick Henry, of the County of Hanover, and a Number of deluded Followers, have taken up Arms, chosen their Officers, and styling themselves an Independent Company, have marched out of their County, encamped, and put themselves in a Posture of War; and have written and dispatched Letters to divers Parts of the Country, exciting the People to join in these outrageous and rebellious Practices, to the great Terrour of all his Majesty's faithful Subjects, and in open Defiance of Law and Government; and have committed other Acts of Violence, particularly in extorting from his Majesty's Receiver General the Sum of £.330, under Pretence of replacing the Powder I thought proper to order from the Magazine; whence it undeniably appears, that there is no longer the least Security for the Life or Property of any Man: WHEREFORE I have thought proper, with the Advice of his Majesty's Council, and in his Majesty's Name, to issue this my Proclamation, strictly charging all Persons, upon their Allegiance, not to aid, abet, or give Countenance to, the said Patrick Henry, or any other Persons concerned in such unwarrantable Combinations; but, on the Contrary, to oppose them and their Designs by every Means; which Designs must, otherwise, inevitably involve the whole Country in the most direful Calamity, as they will call for the Vengeance of offended Majesty and the insulted Laws, to be exerted here, to vindicate the constitutional Authority of Government.

    GIVEN under my Hand, and the Seal of the Colony, at Williamsburg, this 6th Day of May, 1775, and in the 15th Year of his Majesty's Reign.

    DUNMORE.

    GOD SAVE THE KING.




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    Neplusultra wrote:
    peter nap wrote:
    Summary as introduced:
    Paramilitary activity; penalty. Makes it a Class 5 felony to provide land or other resources knowing that it will be used to conduct illegal paramilitary activities. Full text:
    01/14/09 Senate: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/14/09 091519216 (impact statement)

    Status:
    01/14/09 Senate: Prefiled and ordered printed; offered 01/14/09 091519216
    01/14/09 Senate: Referred to Committee for Courts of Justice
    01/15/09 Senate: Assigned Courts sub: Criminal
    02/09/09 Senate: Stricken at the request of Patron in Courts of Justice (14-Y 0-N)
    The patron of this bill was Cuccinelli? I thought he was all progun. By "stricken" that means the bill was removed from consideration by Cuccinelli himself and is now dead?

    Thanks, Peter. I for some reason remembered there was a confiscation clause in the bill. Do you remember anything like that? I was wondering why they/he/whomever felt the need to add this to the statute at this time. I mean we haven't been having problems with illegal militias in VA have we?
    He's good...but needs improvment!

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    Somewhere I read (I thought here) something about the VA legislature recently passing a law allowing the state to take away any lands used for militia training if that training was intended to be used against the government.
    Isn't that how the feds got Arlington?

    There is some irony there, given Virginia's history in the rebellion against the government of King George III.


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    Virginiaplanter wrote:
    The Governor was behind it. But it was to of no affect.

    SNIP By his Excellency the Right Hon. JOHN Earl of DUNMORE, his Majesty's Lieutenant and Governor General of the Colony and Dominion of Virginia, and Vice Admiral of the same:...
    Great post!
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    KBCraig wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    Somewhere I read (I thought here) something about the VA legislature recently passing a law allowing the state to take away any lands used for militia training if that training was intended to be used against the government.
    Isn't that how the feds got Arlington?

    There is some irony there, given Virginia's history in the rebellion against the government of King George III.
    Of course, a Texan would notice that.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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