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    Okay, how about this then?

    If an A.W.B or legislation like H.R. 45 do hit the floor of the Senate - instead of going to D.C, how about if all of us go directly to our State Capitol for a spontaneous protest?

    Park your cars nicely where they belong, carpool as much as possible and have your "NO MORE GUN LAWS - PERIOD!" signs made up ahead of time.

    Advantages -

    Shorter response time for everyone (not as far to drive)

    Harder to control or harass us if we're in 50 different locations rather than one

    More probable coverage (and harder to block/censor coverage) if we're in that many different locations at once.

    I really need input on this. Pete

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    I guess I should have said: " I need serious input on this."

    Look - so far, we haven't had the balls to march on the street about this.

    I'm trying to find out if people will do a march on their State Capitol(s) if either of these bills suddenly comes to life.

    Is it clear now? Pete

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    The Second Amendment March proposes to do exactly what you're saying as well as a march on Washington.
    http://secondamendmentmarch.com/
    I'm in!
    My idea still stands. The NRA can probably get enough votes to kill anything like another AWB. We just have to make sure they know it's important enough to us and we don't "just care about hunting..."
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...372940#p372940

    Many here poo poo'ed the idea without offering their own solutions. Your ideas will be subject to the same treatment.
    Grow Up. Get together. Man the battlements!

    PS: DKSuddeth, it takes far too long to get to the meat of what you want to do. An abstract and/or Rallying Cry would help...

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    ufcfanvt wrote:
    The Second Amendment March proposes to do exactly what you're saying as well as a march on Washington.
    http://secondamendmentmarch.com/
    I'm in!
    My idea still stands. The NRA can probably get enough votes to kill anything like another AWB. We just have to make sure they know it's important enough to us and we don't "just care about hunting..."
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_to...372940#p372940

    Many here poo poo'ed the idea without offering their own solutions. Your ideas will be subject to the same treatment.
    Grow Up. Get together. Man the battlements!

    PS: DKSuddeth, it takes far too long to get to the meat of what you want to do. An abstract and/or Rallying Cry would help...
    I'm all for marching, protesting, letter writing and phone calls, but my plan stands. I will not even attempt to register any of my weapons.

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    DKSuddeth wrote: That's a good plan.
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    spy1 wrote:
    Okay, how about this then?

    If an A.W.B or legislation like H.R. 45 do hit the floor of the Senate - instead of going to D.C, how about if all of us go directly to our State Capitol for a spontaneous protest?

    Park your cars nicely where they belong, carpool as much as possible and have your "NO MORE GUN LAWS - PERIOD!" signs made up ahead of time.

    Advantages -

    Shorter response time for everyone (not as far to drive)

    Harder to control or harass us if we're in 50 different locations rather than one

    More probable coverage (and harder to block/censor coverage) if we're in that many different locations at once.

    I really need input on this. Pete

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    How the hell do you plan a "spontaneous" protest?

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    The idea here is to prevent either of those two bills (or ones like them) from ever becoming law in the FIRST place.

    That's why we've got to assemble - instantly at the individual State capitols' should either of those bills ever actually come to the floor of the Senate or House for a vote. We're NOT going to have TIME to find individual Senators offices, or their HOMES, for God's sake - but EVERYONE can easily find their State capital building.

    In the end, the only thing that COULD prevent passage is a massive, determined presence right in the face of State government.

    Not only will it convince them of our dedication to seeing such bills defeated - it will give a lot of them the EXCUSE they need to vote against it.

    Please think this through, okay? Pete

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    I am not sure that protesting locally about federal legislation works too well.jmo
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    It will if enough of us go to our State capitols if either of those two bills hit the floor of the Senate/House with placards reading "NO MORE GUN LAWS - PERIOD!" or "Punish the CRIMINAL - not the GUN!" - or how about " I'M NOT TAKING THIS CRAP ANYMORE! "

    I think a lot of people are either purposely ignoring or simply overlooking the impact that news reports of all these simultaneous protests in all capitols would have on the legislators in Washington.

    The squeaky wheel gets the grease, remember? Pete

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    spy1 wrote:
    The squeaky wheel gets the grease, remember? Pete
    On the other hand, the nail that sticks out gets hammered down.

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    The nail that doesn't stick out has already been "hammered down". Pete

    (*Darn that's deep - did I say that? )

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    spy1 wrote:
    The nail that doesn't stick out has already been "hammered down". Pete

    (*Darn that's deep - did I say that? )
    My take always was: "The squeaky oil get the wheel"



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    spy1 wrote:
    The nail that doesn't stick out has already been "hammered down". Pete

    (*Darn that's deep - did I say that? )
    I get a mental picture of a grinning Barack playing an evil game of "whack-a-mole"

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    YllwFvr wrote:
    spy1 wrote:
    The nail that doesn't stick out has already been "hammered down". Pete

    (*Darn that's deep - did I say that? )
    I get a mental picture of a grinning Barack playing an evil game of "whack-a-mole"
    Isn't that the game Bush played to catch bad guys in Afghanistan?

    Maybe there'll have another pointless tea party thingie. That'll show 'em!

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIP Maybe there'll have another pointless tea party thingie. That'll show 'em!
    Oh, I don't know if it was meaningless.

    When was the lasttime people got out and protested like that?

    I'm thinking there is some runway between complacency and torches-and-pitchforks.

    Remember, just getting people out for any form of protest is saying something.

    I thinkwe're just warming up.


    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Citizen wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIP Maybe there'll have another pointless tea party thingie. That'll show 'em!
    Oh, I don't know if it was meaningless.

    When was the lasttime people got out and protested like that?

    I'm thinking there is some runway between complacency and torches-and-pitchforks.

    Remember, just getting people out for any form of protest is saying something.

    I thinkwe're just warming up.

    I agree, but there has to be a consistent message, kept to a narrow focus. Going out to protest and then deciding what to protest after you get there is kind of pointless. People yelling to get rid of the Fed and fiat currency while another bunch wants a "fair tax" (isn't that like a gentle rape?) makes no sense.

    And for liberty's sake, keep out the Republican party types and the neocons. They are worse than worthless.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    And for liberty's sake, keep out the Republican party types and the neocons. They are worse than worthless.
    A nice portmanteau 'worseless'.

    But you are absolutely correct about GOP and neocons, they are worseless.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    And for liberty's sake, keep out the Republican party types and the neocons. They are worse than worthless.
    A nice portmanteau 'worseless'.

    But you are absolutely correct about GOP and neocons, they are worseless.
    ... Doug Huffman ...

    What party do you suggest that will win the POTUS back from the aggressive progressive liberal transnationalist left wing gun-grabbers ? Losing again is a little more than worthless . As a centrist unaffiliated voter I am curious to know your winning plan for the 2010 elections .

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    R a Z o R wrote:
    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    And for liberty's sake, keep out the Republican party types and the neocons. They are worse than worthless.
    A nice portmanteau 'worseless'.

    But you are absolutely correct about GOP and neocons, they are worseless.
    ... Doug Huffman ...

    What party do you suggest that will win the POTUS back from the aggressive progressive liberal transnationalist left wing gun-grabbers ? Losing again is a little more than worthless . As a centrist unaffiliated voter I am curious to know your winning plan for the 2010 elections .
    It doesn't matter. POTUS-Left and POTUS-Right have proven to be equally repugnant to liberty. The latter builds the FEMA camps and signs the PATRIOT Act and forms the HSD; the former usesthem against you.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    SNIP I agree, but there has to be a consistent message, kept to a narrow focus. Going out to protest and then deciding what to protest after you get there is kind of pointless. People yelling to get rid of the Fed and fiat currency while another bunch wants a "fair tax" (isn't that like a gentle rape?) makes no sense.

    And for liberty's sake, keep out the Republican party types and the neocons. They are worse than worthless.
    Agreed on the Republicrats and neocons (read "statists").

    I wonder if it is really necessary to keep a narrow focus. Especially when there is so much wrong. I'm not saying it isn't necessary. I'm just wondering.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    R a Z o R wrote:
    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    And for liberty's sake, keep out the Republican party types and the neocons. They are worse than worthless.
    A nice portmanteau 'worseless'.

    But you are absolutely correct about GOP and neocons, they are worseless.
    ... Doug Huffman ...

    What party do you suggest that will win the POTUS back from the aggressive progressive liberal transnationalist left wing gun-grabbers ? Losing again is a little more than worthless . As a centrist unaffiliated voter I am curious to know your winning plan for the 2010 elections .
    It doesn't matter. POTUS-Left and POTUS-Right have proven to be equally repugnant to liberty. The latter builds the FEMA camps and signs the PATRIOT Act and forms the HSD; the former usesthem against you.
    ... Tomahawk ...

    It matters to me . Which one do you find more preferable because it is one or the other ? My vote or lack of voting helps the greater evil .

    Ignorance , apathy , and bigotry are the I don't know , I don't care , and it someone else's fault reasoning that will lead us to failure .

    Look what Ross Perot got me !

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    R a Z o R wrote:
    Tomahawk wrote:
    It doesn't matter. POTUS-Left and POTUS-Right have proven to be equally repugnant to liberty. The latter builds the FEMA camps and signs the PATRIOT Act and forms the HSD; the former usesthem against you.
    ... Tomahawk ...

    It matters to me . Which one do you find more preferable because it is one or the other ? My vote or lack of voting helps the greater evil .

    Ignorance , apathy , and bigotry are the I don't know , I don't care , and it someone else's fault reasoning that will lead us to failure .

    Look what Ross Perot got me !

    Whole threads have gone on for pages and pages over the "lesser of two evils" argument and its weaknesses or strengths.

    The fallacy is thinking that participating in a election in which you have but two bad choices will give you a good result.

    Accept the fact that no matter what you do a jerk is going to win. Then either stay home or vote for the third party of your choice and sleep well with your decision.

    Meanwhile, get politically active and find other ways to make the changes you want. Grassroots activism has been very effective at the state and local levels, and as a result a local election can make a difference in many cases. But the federal election for office of president is thus far beyond this treatment and it will be a while before that changes, if ever.

    Always remember that simply voting is not enough to make a difference. If it was it'd be illegal.

    ETA: Let me add that the Tea Party thing could be effective if it finds a common issue to unite people,and relentlessly hammers home its message.Unfortunatelythe neocons and Rep. party types have seized the opportunity to run to the front of the crowd and act like they represent it. All they want to do is get republicans elected; they have no principles to speak of, none that are compatible with restoring liberty.


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    SNIP It matters to me . Which one do you find more preferable because it is one or the other ? My vote or lack of voting helps the greater evil .

    Ignorance , apathy , and bigotry are the I don't know , I don't care , and it someone else's fault reasoning that will lead us to failure .
    Why would anyone vote to strengthen the shackles to bind him?

    What about conscience and integrity?

    I cannot in good conscience sic the dogs of either major party onmy fellows. I'd rather not vote or vote third party.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Bush 1 put NAFTA on the 5 yard line . And I voted for Ross Perot .

    Look what that got us !

    Bill Clinton made a touch down with NAFTA .

    Look what that got us !

    We need a plan and a sharp focus now .

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