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    We might be more effective as a whole, if we stop using mis-statements in describing things to our friends, associates, and especially thechildren being dummied down in public schools.

    We (the people) have NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.Please stop using the 'media' phrases. De-program urself from this stupid and ignort phrase. The state constitutions, and Fed territory constitutions are the RULES for state / fed guvts.Not WE THE PEOPLE!!

    Instead, use the correct phrases......We have 'un/inalienable Rights'. We have 'fundamental Rights'. We have 'God given Rights.

    We have the Right to bear arms w or w/o any Constitution. Get that FACT into ur dummied down in public school mind.

    Even the justices in the Heller case recognize this very fact. And, WE THE PEOPLE have the God given Right to protectourselves, ourfamily,our property with whatever means humanly neccesary. PERIOD!!!

    THERE IS NO OTHER AGRUMENT. Stay on point!




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    Ah yes, let us use terms that the average moron won't get, so that we have to stop and explain ourselves every time we use them, instead of conveying our thoughts in ways that are easy for those around us to "get".


    Screw ease of communication.

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    With that attitude Aran, it's no wonder lots of Americans think 'we thepeople' who chose to excerise their God given Rights are considered to bebording into the lunatic fringe.

    U don't have a moment, to say, "I'm excersing my God given Right to self protection."(lol)

    Please don't tell me Aran,if and /or when u were joinedintowholly matrimony u and ur ladybegged the govt to give u a'license' to marry?

    Ur alsonot one of those guys who work w/ aSoc Sec number when using the number for work is completely voluntary?



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    It will matter little what language we use, and besides, how can we have "God given rights" when I don't believe in God?

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    Theseus wrote:
    It will matter little what language we use, and besides, how can we have "God given rights" when I don't believe in God?
    :celebrate



    I'd tend to argue the opposite (as grumpycoconut did quite successfully in the past). The ONLY rights you have arethe ones thatthe powers that be are willing (or forced) to give you. If rights were "god given" or "innate" then we wouldn't need to defend them because no one would be able to take them away.



    I get your point and how it would work in ideal land, but this is reality land and I'm just fine with "constitutional" rights.

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    Theseus wrote:
    It will matter little what language we use, and besides, how can we have "God given rights" when I don't believe in God?
    I'd tend to argue the opposite (as grumpycoconut did quite successfully in the past). The ONLY rights you have arethe ones thatthe powers that be are willing (or forced) to give you. If rights were "god given" or "innate" then we wouldn't need to defend them because no one would be able to take them away.

    I get your point and how it would work in ideal land, but this is reality land and I'm just fine with "constitutional" rights.
    This view contains a fair measure of truth. Yet, I feel it falls short.

    I think there must be a distinction between the natural existence of a right and the recognition of that same right.

    Addressing just for the moment the recognition angle, if the powers that be are forced to recognize a right, then they are not reallythe"power that be". The citizens that did the forcing, etc.were the power.

    Ithink rights go deeper. Much, much deeper.Rights arefreedoms.It is my opinionthat rights--in fact, total freedom--is written on the very souls of men. Their innermost core. We can callthis circumstance God-given, unalienable, or inherent. These words are all speaking to this circumstance--written on the very hearts of men.

    I am convinced this is the reason Jefferson's passagewhich begins, "We hold these truths to be self-evident..."is so powerful. Its not the reference to God that stirs men.Itshow close to the truth he comes about rights, freedom.

    God is mentioned daily in many contexts without stirring men the way Jefferson's passage does. His wordsspeak directly to the innate desire to be free, to think one's own thoughts, to create one's own life, to literally be oneself.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    how can we have "God given rights" when I don't believe in God
    He still gave them to you.

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    Regardless of whether some one believes in God or not...u r still born w/ fundamental Rights given to u by ur Creator.

    "Constitutional Rights' are the Rights given to citizens when 51 % (or more) of some govt hacks decide on any given day to give to people. Whatever congress creates Congress can take away.

    Besides, Freedom ain't free - u hav to fight for it. The only difference between a Republican and Democratic is the spelling.

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    I think the proper phrasing is "Constitutionally protected rights"

    ...Ya gotta get that middle word in there...
    ...Orygunner...

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    What is it lately?

    Every few weeks now it seems; you get some new poster with a low post count come THUNDERING into the forums like some R Lee Ermy wannabe screaming about this and hollering about that. . .as if the topic have never been brought up before and what they're saying is some great epiphany that will suddenly open all of our eyes which have herefore been closed and now we can all get united and fight this good battle and win it!!!

    (Pishhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)

    Hey Spartacus, seriously now, do you go thundering into the living room of a new person you just met and start tossing out critiques like hand grenades? Are you THAT GUY?

    Nice first impression.
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    Rayce Bannon wrote:
    With that attitude Aran, it's no wonder lots of Americans think 'we thepeople' who chose to excerise their God given Rights are considered to bebording into the lunatic fringe.

    U don't have a moment, to say, "I'm excersing my God given Right to self protection." (lol)

    Please don't tell me Aran,if and /or when u were joinedintowholly matrimony u and ur ladybegged the govt to give u a'license' to marry?

    Ur alsonot one of those guys who work w/ aSoc Sec number when using the number for work is completely voluntary?

    You ARE "that guy" personified.

    And there's no such thing as a god, so I'd be pretty silly to waste my time.

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    Citizen wrote:
    This view contains a fair measure of truth. Yet, I feel it falls short.

    I think there must be a distinction between the natural existence of a right and the recognition of that same right.

    It's not that I wasarguing against the existence of natural or innate rights. I'm just making the point that, realistically, the only rights you actually have are the ones the state gives you. Innate/natural laws and rules do not have to be granted and cannot be taken away. The government can't take away gravity or energy conservation, those are innate and natural. I find it much harder to see rights asbeing innate and natural when they can come and go depending on who is in power. Are there certain rights people strive for and areunsatisfied without? Certainly. But are they innate and naturally granted? Not at all. They must be fought for against those would take them away.

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    ChinChin wrote:
    What is it lately?

    Every few weeks now it seems; you get some new poster with a low post count come THUNDERING into the forums like some R Lee Ermy wannabe screaming about this and hollering about that. . .as if the topic have never been brought up before and what they're saying is some great epiphany that will suddenly open all of our eyes which have herefore been closed and now we can all get united and fight this good battle and win it!!!

    (Pishhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh)

    Hey Spartacus, seriously now, do you go thundering into the living room of a new person you just met and start tossing out critiques like hand grenades? Are you THAT GUY?

    Nice first impression.



    So I'm not the only one that noticed that, huh?


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    Orygunner wrote:
    I think the proper phrasing is "Constitutionally protected rights"

    ...Ya gotta get that middle word in there...
    ...Orygunner...
    I wish they were protected, but really they are just constitutionally affirmed.

    We the people protect our rights.

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    Sometimes, late at night, when fear sets in,I believe that the newbys of this ilk are looking for incriminating statements to use against our cause or against the individuals who make them.



    After a night like this, I usually buy another gun and more ammo and feel a little better.



    Isn't this why the mods or so careful when a thread becomes cop bashing?
    Remember Peter Nap and Skidmark. Do them proud. Be active. Be well informed. ALL rights matter.

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    Rayce Bannon wrote:
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    ****. People like you I tend to ignore because you don't make a lick of sense, or you do no more than rant and rave over something trivial.

    Oh and by the way. At least my "dummied" public school mind taught me how to spell correctly.

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    Rayce Bannon wrote:
    We might be more effective as a whole, if we stop using mis-statements in describing things to our friends, associates, and especially thechildren being dummied down in public schools.

    We (the people) have NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.Please stop using the 'media' phrases. De-program urself from this stupid and ignort phrase. The state constitutions, and Fed territory constitutions are the RULES for state / fed guvts.Not WE THE PEOPLE!!

    Instead, use the correct phrases......We have 'un/inalienable Rights'. We have 'fundamental Rights'. We have 'God given Rights.

    We have the Right to bear arms w or w/o any Constitution. Get that FACT into ur dummied down in public school mind.

    Even the justices in the Heller case recognize this very fact. And, WE THE PEOPLE have the God given Right to protectourselves, ourfamily,our property with whatever means humanly neccesary. PERIOD!!!

    THERE IS NO OTHER AGRUMENT. Stay on point!


    Actually, we do have Constitutional rights enumerated therein. We have "inalienable rights" per the Declaration, not the Constitution. We have "legal" rights, per statutes. We have natural rights according to Rousseau, Locke, et al. There are all kinds of "rights." And all need to be protected.
    "For any man who sheds his blood with me this day shall be my brother...And gentlemen now abed shall think themselves accursed, they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whilst any speaks who fought with us on Crispin's day." Henry V

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    I think I understand where he was coming from when he said we have no Constitutional rights.... We have Constitutionally "Protected" rights is what I believe. Yes, the founders believed that there are certain rights that only came from God, but the right to a speedy trial or to a trial by a jury of our peers are not natural rights, but rights granted by our Constitution.
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    U equate making simple factual statements with THUNDERING into someone's room??? LOL.Simply correcting ignorance is thundering into a room?? R u a feminized male?

    Even the justices in the U.S. supreme crt have stated, the U.S. constitution grants u nothing? In the Heller case, 'they' stated that people have the Right to bear arms long before the Constitution was written.

    Shame u equate stating a simple fact with THUNDERING into a room.

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    Obvious troll is obvious......I hold someone's opinion in little regard if they can't spell or write correctly. And to come on here with no history and tell us we are all wrong and should get with the program is the height of arrogance.

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    compmanio365 wrote:
    Obvious troll is obvious......I hold someone's opinion in little regard if they can't spell or write correctly. And to come on here with no history and tell us we are all wrong and should get with the program is the height of arrogance.
    You guys must not text message much then because that is what he is using. LOL

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    Rayce Bannon wrote:
    U equate making simple factual statements with THUNDERING into someone's room??? LOL.Simply correcting ignorance is thundering into a room?? R u a feminized male?

    Even the justices in the U.S. supreme crt have stated, the U.S. constitution grants u nothing? In the Heller case, 'they' stated that people have the Right to bear arms long before the Constitution was written.

    Shame u equate stating a simple fact with THUNDERING into a room.
    Here, let me write this in a way you might understand.


    u crzy. gtfo.

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    Aran wrote:
    Rayce Bannon wrote:
    U equate making simple factual statements with THUNDERING into someone's room??? LOL.Simply correcting ignorance is thundering into a room?? R u a feminized male?

    Even the justices in the U.S. supreme crt have stated, the U.S. constitution grants u nothing? In the Heller case, 'they' stated that people have the Right to bear arms long before the Constitution was written.

    Shame u equate stating a simple fact with THUNDERING into a room.
    Here, let me write this in a way you might understand.


    u crzy. gtfo.
    I believe that would be "ur crzy" LOL

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