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smash29

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Aran wrote:
It doesn't matter if there's a rule against it. They don't need him to have broken a rule to tell him to piss off.
Point taken, but it sure would be nice to know if there was in fact a rule about itbefore everyone crucifies the OP for "knowingly violating company policy".
 

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Aran wrote:
"I don't like you." is a good enough reason in an at-will state.

I don't like you is what a Plant Manager told me on several occasions, Guess who's still working and who isn't the Plant Manager anymore!! In fact I've seen 5 Shift supervisors, and 3 plant managers , 3 Human Resource directors, 3 comptrollers, and too many Engineers to countcome and go during my 10 year return back here in Missouri, The worker out on the grind is far more Valuable to the bottom line of a business that any or all of the salary positions mentioned above. I've been involved in Labor Unions, I've been Involved with the NLRB, I've managed and hired workers for Pickets, I've initiated and assisted in Voting Unions into work places that had to suck up substandard benefits and what you obviously think is acceptable behavior from an employer, Learn to work hard, and do your homework andthe so called at will employer better handle situations with specifics and kid gloves..

I don't think your lifes experiences balance out to what you would like most to believe you know or have been through.. I've been a Father,Husband and financial provider since the age of 19, I've rode this train through the highs and lows for enough years to be able to cover my A$$ any employer that overtly touts the AT WILL employment one liner would most likely be left hanging to plow his own fields, and couldn't man a good workforce in the first place to be able to call himself a Manager/Business
 

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Carnivore wrote:
Aran wrote:
"I don't like you." is a good enough reason in an at-will state.

I don't like you is what a Plant Manager told me on several occasions, Guess who's still working and who isn't the Plant Manager anymore!! In fact I've seen 5 Shift supervisors, and 3 plant managers , 3 Human Resource directors, 3 comptrollers, and too many Engineers to countcome and go during my 10 year return back here in Missouri, The worker out on the grind is far more Valuable to the bottom line of a business that any or all of the salary positions mentioned above. I've been involved in Labor Unions, I've been Involved with the NLRB, I've managed and hired workers for Pickets, I've initiated and assisted in Voting Unions into work places that had to suck up substandard benefits and what you obviously think is acceptable behavior from an employer, Learn to work hard, and do your homework andthe so called at will employer better handle situations with specifics and kid gloves..

I don't think your lifes experiences balance out to what you would like most to believe you know or have been through.. I've been a Father,Husband and financial provider since the age of 19, I've rode this train through the highs and lows for enough years to be able to cover my A$$ any employer that overtly touts the AT WILL employment one liner would most likely be left hanging to plow his own fields, and couldn't man a good workforce in the first place to be able to call himself a Manager/Business


+1, good workers are a rare commodity, and any decent business will treasure the workers worth keeping around. Most businesses that tout "at-will" employment outside of the HR legalese have very few worthwhile employees, and even fewer managers that are worth a damn.

The fact that Aran works in security is a pretty telling piece of information as to where his mindset comes in. Most of the "security" companies out there are filled with people just like him, from the top down. Screw your people, F them over as much as possible, pay them as little as possible, high turnover rate is of no concern; there are many other monkeys we can train and throw into a uniform. Shame that he's been brainwashed as to believing that's how everything should and does work in other industries.

Legally, yes, in an "at-will" state, the employer needs no reason at all to fire someone, but that does NOT preclude the employee being able to file suit against that company if he/she has evidencethat the firing was because of discrimination or a personal vendetta against that employee. In this instance, in the OP's shoes, I would talk with a lawyer and see what I could find out. It wouldn't hurt to "feel out" the situation and see if you'd have a chance in getting a win in court. I applaud the OP's tenacity in pursuing action against an employer who feels their insurance is more important than the safety of their staff.
 

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As respectfully as can be said Aran, it would depend what country your in! In the USA we have the Constitutional right to be safe from illegal search and seizure regardless of what state you reside in. If it were not so the Border Patrol would have been capable of violating my rights in not just the example I cited, but in every instance I've challenged them and other law enforcement, by refusing to allow such frivolity. They picked me randomly to be searched so they say. The truth is they probably viewed my 2 guns in the trunk of my car with their high tech equipment at the check point and decided to take them from me by any means necessary, if I so allowed. We, as Americans, have to collectively stop this non sense and take a legal stand against unlawful violation of our constitutional rights. Yes whenI do so they look back and forth among one another, and they sometimes get verbally aggressive with me, but in the end they comply with my refusal to allow theirviolation of my rights as an law abiding citizen, every time. I live in Arizona and hunt/shoot in parts where their is a heavy presence of mostly federal law enforcement and am often stooped and told that they need to search my vehicle in which I politely refuse. It is usually met with some interrogation to break me down and make feel intimidated, but I hold my ground and have never lost my battle. I even wrote my senator regarding harassment while in these areas and he gave me a letterthat Icarry with me enforcing my constitutional rights.

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There are no private property rights in Connecticut. If you own a bar or restaurant and you want to smoke inside YOUR bar or restaurant you can not. If the City of New London wants to take away your house and pay you pennies on the dollar for it and then sell your land to a private business so they can develop it THEY can. If you own a business and want to put up a sign on YOUR building...well, in most towns in CT you must ask permission to do so first.

If you are a Sovereign Indian Nation and you want to allow smoking in your casino....well the Attorney General says you can't.
 

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I would like to thank everyone for all their "help" and "support". I was told I would have an answer within 24 to 48 hours as to what was to happen to my job. It has been approximately 120 hours since the close of the "investigation". I guess I'm on my own. Bye, Bye
 

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Good luck and I hope you the best. I would however like to close with the thought that you might have learned something from this experience. I don't personally feel you did anything wrong but that your only mistake may have been to allow this to get blown out of proportion simply by possibly answering to the accusation by acknowledging it ever happened. Although in that respect one must consider honesty as the grey area and I think it is appropriate to display integrity if we are ever to considered to be trust worthy by anyone. I honestly think I would have responded in the same or similar manner considering the circumstances you described. I've been a business manager for over 25 years and have always felt asense ofresponsibility to my employee's and the companies I've employed with.

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modelo57 wrote:
I would like to thank everyone for all their "help" and "support". I was told I would have an answer within 24 to 48 hours as to what was to happen to my job. It has been approximately 120 hours since the close of the "investigation". I guess I'm on my own. Bye, Bye
Good luck, my friend. I'm sorry for your trouble. I hope things work out for you.
 

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compmanio365 wrote:
Carnivore wrote:
Aran wrote:
"I don't like you." is a good enough reason in an at-will state.

I don't like you is what a Plant Manager told me on several occasions, Guess who's still working and who isn't the Plant Manager anymore!! In fact I've seen 5 Shift supervisors, and 3 plant managers , 3 Human Resource directors, 3 comptrollers, and too many Engineers to countcome and go during my 10 year return back here in Missouri, The worker out on the grind is far more Valuable to the bottom line of a business that any or all of the salary positions mentioned above. I've been involved in Labor Unions, I've been Involved with the NLRB, I've managed and hired workers for Pickets, I've initiated and assisted in Voting Unions into work places that had to suck up substandard benefits and what you obviously think is acceptable behavior from an employer, Learn to work hard, and do your homework andthe so called at will employer better handle situations with specifics and kid gloves..

I don't think your lifes experiences balance out to what you would like most to believe you know or have been through.. I've been a Father,Husband and financial provider since the age of 19, I've rode this train through the highs and lows for enough years to be able to cover my A$$ any employer that overtly touts the AT WILL employment one liner would most likely be left hanging to plow his own fields, and couldn't man a good workforce in the first place to be able to call himself a Manager/Business


+1, good workers are a rare commodity, and any decent business will treasure the workers worth keeping around. Most businesses that tout "at-will" employment outside of the HR legalese have very few worthwhile employees, and even fewer managers that are worth a damn.

The fact that Aran works in security is a pretty telling piece of information as to where his mindset comes in. Most of the "security" companies out there are filled with people just like him, from the top down. Screw your people, F them over as much as possible, pay them as little as possible, high turnover rate is of no concern; there are many other monkeys we can train and throw into a uniform. Shame that he's been brainwashed as to believing that's how everything should and does work in other industries.

Legally, yes, in an "at-will" state, the employer needs no reason at all to fire someone, but that does NOT preclude the employee being able to file suit against that company if he/she has evidencethat the firing was because of discrimination or a personal vendetta against that employee. In this instance, in the OP's shoes, I would talk with a lawyer and see what I could find out. It wouldn't hurt to "feel out" the situation and see if you'd have a chance in getting a win in court. I applaud the OP's tenacity in pursuing action against an employer who feels their insurance is more important than the safety of their staff.

Gee, I'm learning so many things about my belief system thanks to this thread. I hadn't realized I felt this way!

:quirky

I was definitely talking about how things should be done, and not the legal aspect of things.


Better get back to my goosestepping now, have a nice day!
 

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If I was the first to arrive at work, a bad guy was inside, and I did not detain/shoot the perp, my boss would probably shoot me! Or hit me with his "splatter/cast-off" hickory club!
 

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Its over and I've been officially terminated. The verbal reason, having a weapon on company property. The written reason, failure to report the open door to Loss Prevention, ie; loss of confidence.

The hypocrisy of all this is as an employee you are not allowed any kind of a weapon including firearms, knives, mace, pepper spray, pocket knives, utility knives "leatherman" tool, hammer, the list goes on and on.

With the exception of firearms, all of these items are or were for sale in the store. The restriction extends to your car and your person even if off duty. It does not apply to customers.

In a way I'm glad I'm "outta there". I've been verbally warned for calling the police on unruly customers and shop lifters and I've been warned for NOT calling the police in similar situations.

In my mind, these people are so afraid of ruining "customer satisfaction" that they are willing to sacrifice employees. there have been several instances of serious and critical injuries and the death of employees around the country. Their response is to tighten the restrictions on employees and fire anyone that violates these policies.

Sorry to vent, but I feel this is a classic example of liberal fear. Rather than fight the problem, punish the innocent.
 

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Modelo57

Whats your career specialty? and you in retail sales? sales Mgmt.? There's gotta be a few connections for another Job prospect on this site. ya just need to give us a clue, then your job search can be 50 states wide.. Maybe Conn. just needs to be a faded memory..
 

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Not a bad idea, but I'm not ready to leave the kids and possible future grandchildern, not to mention my upcoming wedding (second time around).
 

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Final update. It turns out I was not terminated for carrying a gun at work at all. In fact the company cannot come up with a reason. In addition I was actually terminated the day before I was supposedly investigated and suspended. An attorney has been contacted along with the state labor department. end transmission.
 

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modelo57 wrote:
Final update. It turns out I was not terminated for carrying a gun at work at all. In fact the company cannot come up with a reason. In addition I was actually terminated the day before I was supposedly investigated and suspended. An attorney has been contacted along with the state labor department. end transmission.
Good luck with this. If you would, please keep us posted.
 
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