You answered other posts how about replying to this post?Maybe I'm missing something here but it looks to me like this would be an easy issue to solve.
Simply take your default permit and approach the nearest LEO. If he agrees and lets you walk away then you are proven right.
If he arrests you then perhaps the other forum is right.
Either way I would think that a true patriot such as yourself would be willing to do more for the cause than just walk around his neighborhood.
He's not going to do it. We all know why.OneInThePipe wrote:You answered other posts how about replying to this post?Maybe I'm missing something here but it looks to me like this would be an easy issue to solve.
Simply take your default permit and approach the nearest LEO. If he agrees and lets you walk away then you are proven right.
If he arrests you then perhaps the other forum is right.
Either way I would think that a true patriot such as yourself would be willing to do more for the cause than just walk around his neighborhood.
Are you going to keep talking trash or are you going to stand behind your beliefs and be a true patriot?
OneInThePipe wrote:He's not going to do it. We all know why.OneInThePipe wrote:You answered other posts how about replying to this post?Maybe I'm missing something here but it looks to me like this would be an easy issue to solve.
Simply take your default permit and approach the nearest LEO. If he agrees and lets you walk away then you are proven right.
If he arrests you then perhaps the other forum is right.
Either way I would think that a true patriot such as yourself would be willing to do more for the cause than just walk around his neighborhood.
Are you going to keep talking trash or are you going to stand behind your beliefs and be a true patriot?
I don't expect him to answer either. I wonder if he is a Brady troll.
He does live up to his B.S. initials though.
Because, Bob, one's rights do not flow from the police.OneInThePipe wrote:He's not going to do it. We all know why.OneInThePipe wrote:You answered other posts how about replying to this post?Maybe I'm missing something here but it looks to me like this would be an easy issue to solve.
Simply take your default permit and approach the nearest LEO. If he agrees and lets you walk away then you are proven right.
If he arrests you then perhaps the other forum is right.
Either way I would think that a true patriot such as yourself would be willing to do more for the cause than just walk around his neighborhood.
Are you going to keep talking trash or are you going to stand behind your beliefs and be a true patriot?
It seems we have some newcomers.
Before the newcomers are allowed to proceed, they must answer a simple question:
Do you support open carry in Florida?
Your ilk has "brought the wrong kind of attention to our cause." In fact, nobody else cares. It's only you and yours engaging in histrionics against this exercise of our rights.I'm afraid I didn't see your name on this forum, so, I'm not sure how you contend you are in any postion to dictate who can and cannot "proceed" in this forum.
However, that being said, and that I'm not afraid myself to answer some simple questions,..
I, personally,do not have any problems carrying concealed, I enjoy the "suprise" element, and I've had no problems with any draw issues.Yet, I also completelysupport anyone's right to carry openly if that is what they wanted.Currently, Florida does not allow for that though, so, we're stuck with CC for the moment. Live with it or work to change it.
I say, instead of spending so much time and energy bashing on other forums and brother gun advocates, and preaching misguided theories about "self issued" liscenses.... Why not put all that energy into working together and getting the laws changed.
You'll never change laws by breaking them you know. In the end, the only thing you're doing is bringing the wrong kind of attention to our cause.
Sigh. Following the law is not breaking the law.You'll never change laws by breaking them you know.
This has been explained and debunked earlier in this thread. The DOACS employee, if indeed quoted correctly, has a shallow understanding of the law.I spoke this afternoon with a supervisor in the compliance/enforcement section of DOACS Concealed Weapons licensing. He agreed with me that even ifyou had a case for default thatyou need to have an issued license physically onyou to not be arrested. He also agreed with me that the criminal court judge that will precide over his case will only be interested in whetheryou were in violation of Chapter 790.01. Chapter 790.01 says that you are in violation unless you posses a concealed weapons permit persuant to the conditions set in Chapter 790.06. No where does it say that you may carry if DOACS is in default of your application. Chapter 790.06 requires that you have the license with your picture on it as issued by the Agency when ever you carry a concealed weapon along with a valid ID (Driver License) and you must present both to a LEO upon his request. There is no provision anywhere in this section for claiming to have a license to carry under default through Chapter 120.
Then take your default permit and approach the first LEO you see. Show him your default license and your concealed weapon.Glock23-4-Me wrote:This has been explained and debunked earlier in this thread. The DOACS employee, if indeed quoted correctly, has a shallow understanding of the law.I spoke this afternoon with a supervisor in the compliance/enforcement section of DOACS Concealed Weapons licensing. He agreed with me that even ifyou had a case for default thatyou need to have an issued license physically onyou to not be arrested. He also agreed with me that the criminal court judge that will precide over his case will only be interested in whetheryou were in violation of Chapter 790.01. Chapter 790.01 says that you are in violation unless you posses a concealed weapons permit persuant to the conditions set in Chapter 790.06. No where does it say that you may carry if DOACS is in default of your application. Chapter 790.06 requires that you have the license with your picture on it as issued by the Agency when ever you carry a concealed weapon along with a valid ID (Driver License) and you must present both to a LEO upon his request. There is no provision anywhere in this section for claiming to have a license to carry under default through Chapter 120.
The State cannot frustrate 120.60 through other means.
This forum exists is to bring about open carry in Florida, and that "other board" is openly hostile to open carry, mocking open carry and the other posters here.
smoking357 wrote:Then take your default permit and approach the first LEO you see. Show him your default license and your concealed weapon.Glock23-4-Me wrote:This has been explained and debunked earlier in this thread. The DOACS employee, if indeed quoted correctly, has a shallow understanding of the law.I spoke this afternoon with a supervisor in the compliance/enforcement section of DOACS Concealed Weapons licensing. He agreed with me that even ifyou had a case for default thatyou need to have an issued license physically onyou to not be arrested. He also agreed with me that the criminal court judge that will precide over his case will only be interested in whetheryou were in violation of Chapter 790.01. Chapter 790.01 says that you are in violation unless you posses a concealed weapons permit persuant to the conditions set in Chapter 790.06. No where does it say that you may carry if DOACS is in default of your application. Chapter 790.06 requires that you have the license with your picture on it as issued by the Agency when ever you carry a concealed weapon along with a valid ID (Driver License) and you must present both to a LEO upon his request. There is no provision anywhere in this section for claiming to have a license to carry under default through Chapter 120.
The State cannot frustrate 120.60 through other means.
The issue isn't really about OC but rather about legal CC.
You've emphasized this, so it appears you have firm authority in hand on this point.BUT YOU HAVE TO RECEIVE THE LICENSE PHYSICALLY BEFORE YOU CAN EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT UNDER THAT LICENSE. YOU CAN'T JUST START CARRYING CONCEALED AFTER 90 DAYS WITHOUT HAVING A LICENSE IN HAND.
How many times do I have to cite to 120.60 for it to be enough? Sheesh.He can't even back his arguments up with statute anymore. He has to lower himself to insults.
Glock23-4-Me wrote:You've emphasized this, so it appears you have firm authority in hand on this point.BUT YOU HAVE TO RECEIVE THE LICENSE PHYSICALLY BEFORE YOU CAN EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT UNDER THAT LICENSE. YOU CAN'T JUST START CARRYING CONCEALED AFTER 90 DAYS WITHOUT HAVING A LICENSE IN HAND.
Do you have a case or a DOAH opinion that upholds, affirms, or infers that this is true?
You should know by now that governing statutes must be read in concert.smoking357 wrote:Glock23-4-Me wrote:You've emphasized this, so it appears you have firm authority in hand on this point.BUT YOU HAVE TO RECEIVE THE LICENSE PHYSICALLY BEFORE YOU CAN EXERCISE YOUR RIGHT UNDER THAT LICENSE. YOU CAN'T JUST START CARRYING CONCEALED AFTER 90 DAYS WITHOUT HAVING A LICENSE IN HAND.
Do you have a case or a DOAH opinion that upholds, affirms, or infers that this is true?
As a matter of fact I can.
790.06 License to carry concealed weapon or firearm.--
Any person in compliance with the terms of such license (which you are not) may carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm notwithstanding the provisions of s. 790.01. The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer.
So if this is so basic and legal then why won't you answer my question or take up the challenge I laid down?
Take your default license and walk up to the first LEO you find. Show him your license and your concealed firearm.