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    A few weeks ago OC'ed to the park across the street form my apartment complex. there are no signs at the entrance except the on with the name of the park where we entered. Today i drove past the the parking lot entrance and noticed that it prohibits firearms. this sign is in an area where most people dont enter the park from and is only visible if you enter through the parking area. my question is about the legality of this sign. the sign says NOT PROMITED fireworks and firearms. the park is ran by parks and recs. and was donated in 2005. i took pics and tried to pot them but they dont show up so here is my myspace web address for these pics. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...lbumID=1091735

    is it legal for this public park to prohibit firearms? if not then i want these signs removed as i live in an area that in the recent past has had some problems. if anyone can help i would greatly appreciate it.
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    As is pretty well established, Washington State has preemption of firearms laws and only has a few places statutorily off limits to guns. This is addressed in the FAQ's sticked at the top of the forum, most notably in question 1. The short answer is that the off limits posting violates state preemption, and is thus preempted and repealed.

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    Don't have MySpace. can't view photo.

    Regardless, that 'rule' is preempted and cannot be legally enforced.

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    JOESEEB wrote:
    A few weeks ago OC'ed to the park across the street form my apartment complex. there are no signs at the entrance except the on with the name of the park where we entered. Today i drove past the the parking lot entrance and noticed that it prohibits firearms. this sign is in an area where most people dont enter the park from and is only visible if you enter through the parking area. my question is about the legality of this sign. the sign says NOT PROMITED fireworks and firearms. the park is ran by parks and recs. and was donated in 2005. i took pics and tried to pot them but they dont show up so here is my myspace web address for these pics. http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/inde...lbumID=1091735

    is it legal for this public park to prohibit firearms? if not then i want these signs removed as i live in an area that in the recent past has had some problems. if anyone can help i would greatly appreciate it.
    You need to contact the city manager and demand that the illegal signs be removed. Localities are preempted in Washington.

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    You need to contact the city manager and demand that the illegal signs be removed. Localities are preempted in Washington.
    P&R is fully aware of the preemption, and no prosecution will result. They just haven't bothered to change the signs yet.

    I think they're just waiting until the next round of replacements to take care of it in the interest of saving money...updating the signs as they get serviced/replaced due to age so to speak.

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    i tried to post them but the photo would not appear just a box with an x in it. i figured as i have read the preemption and the FAQ but just wanted to make sure before i fought it. thanks and i will be fighting this.
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    Vancouver 15.04.060 Parks; changed on website, no sign change

    It appears that the code was changed - I couldn't find any reference in their minutes, but the web page for the parks department was updated. There is athread on Vancouver parks, not sure how old. Anyway, this is the status as of a month or two ago when I started compiling the local code problems.

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    Thank you very much.
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    I just got off the phone with Brian Potter with Parks and rec in Vancouver wa and him and I had a very nice talk about the signs. He informed me that those signs are to be replaced but that they have to replace them slowly ad it would cost a lot of money to replace them all at once. he also informed me that they have been working very closely with the VPD and that they are aware that they can not enforce this portion of the sign-age. also that all new parks will have the new signs and that they will be phasing out the old signs.

    Brian was extremely friendly (CHP and NRA member) and very knowledgeable about opencarry. Our conversation was completely different then i expected ( he agreed and understood they needed to be removed and assured me that they are working on removal of old signs). He also told me that if i had any problems with the VPD to drop his name and inform them about our conversation. Now where to wage the next battle??????
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    Off the top of my head; Camas, Grandview, Kelso ought to be close enough for you. Check the list. Good work.

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