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    http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogsp.../hysteria.html

    "It is one thing when unreasoning panic strikes the popular imagination of a portion of the common people.

    It is quite another and much more dangerous thing when it seizes the minds of national security government bureaucrats and law enforcement agents with guns.

    When THEY react without thinking and falsely label the portion of the populace who in all other times are their most steadfast friends, they force upon us the worst of all worlds -- a landscape of frightened power without reason. And people die as a result. People most surely die.

    History proves this beyond argument. The prospect of a politicized national security heirarchy leaping at shadows is for me the most ominous event in an administration which has thus far made a cottage industry of ominous events.

    What will this country look like in three more months? Six more months? Another year?

    The collective unreason embodied in the MIAC Report and the DHS screed on so-called "right wing extremists" would be hysterically funny were it not deadly dangerous.

    Yet, what are we to do? How do we throw cold water in the faces of frightened anonymous bureaucrats and tell them to "get a grip"? The truth is, we cannot.

    Thus these panicked partisans fulfill their own prophecy. They take law-abiding people who are already suspicious of the government's competence and motives and provide evidence that convinces the citizenry that their suspicions are fully justified.

    Normally the people should be able to count on the adult supervision in the Congress to prevent a reckless executive branch from compounding its error. Nixon and Clinton come to mind.

    But in the present circumstance the hysteria is fully embraced by the Democrat leadership in Congress and by the talking heads of the liberal media.

    There ARE NO ADULTS on this playground and the frightened bully has a submachine gun.

    I know this because I have seen it before. The same kind of false facts and faulty logic were trumpeted in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City Bombing.

    Yet this is more dangerous because in Bill Clinton we had a president who was merely cynically using a golden opportunity to slander his opponents with a broad brush to boost his re-election chances.

    These people actually BELIEVE this excrement and are preparing to act upon it.

    Even our military is not immune from the virus. The Maryland National Guard warning about "threats" from the Tea Parties is, as most current-serving military personnel know, just so much "Force Protection" boiler plate.

    But we must ask how it is that the threshhold for "threats" is so low as to incorporate traditional forms of American political speech? What's next? Advisories about roaming gangs of Girl Scouts selling cookies at extortionate prices?

    And aren't these the same Democrats who chanted "Bush lied and people died" about faulty WMD intelligence?

    At least the truth about WMDs was concealed beyond the borders of a far-off country run by a brutal dictatorship, thereby making verification difficult. These folks have no such excuse.

    If the national security apparatus of the United States of America wants to know the philosophical and operational underpinnings of the constitutionalist movement, they need only read a book by the historian Robert Churchill, To Shake Their Guns in the Tyrant's Face and the extensive end notes in the documentation at the back of the work.

    Yet why do they not take this simple step? Because they fear that what they will find is that the historical legitimacy of the constitutional militia paradigm of armed and active citizenship as the gaurantor of individual liberty would challenge every prejudice and pre-conception thay had and would shake them to the very core.

    It is exactly this question of legitimacy that is at the heart of the issue here. It is why they lie. It is why they feign ignorance, why they slander and why they attack.

    I submit to you that there is more legitimacy that the Founders would recognize in the simple oath of a soldier;in the practice of the armed citizenry; in the "leave us the hell alone" cry of the home schooler, the entrepreneur, the farmer entangled in redtape, the rancher plagued by BLM environmental nit-wittery and the feeble protest of a ten year old condemned to indentured servitude, chained to the national debt for the rest of his life than in ANY of these so-called "official experts" who take our money in order to lie about us for their own political power.

    There is no doubt that in the space of two national election cycles the Democrats have achieved total political power. They believe that this and this alone provides them with the political legitimacy to do to us what they may.

    They do not understand that this is supposed to be a constitutional republic and that when democracy turns to tyranny, we STILL get to vote.

    When you boil it down, the wages of official lies is future death. The DHS right-wing extremist canard will, if unrebutted, get a whole lot of people very dead in the fullness of time.

    These are not innocent lies. They are what is known in military parlance as intelligence preparation of the battlespace. The conflation in the public mind of veterans, political speechmakes and constitutional militia men with mad dog neoNazi terrorists is not just to make us ignorable or to discredit us in the court of public opinion but to kill all of us for what they perceive as a good cause.

    They understand this. And so must we.

    The lines of future conflict over what sort of nation this will be are being broadly spray-painted with an imprecise aim in day-glo colors for a reason.

    Like the Bolsheviks and the the National Socialists before them, these collectivists have long lists of the enemies they intend to deal with. The only question is will the intended victims -- you and me -- sit still and allow them to do it.
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    I think everyone is getting their shorts in a not over this DHS document for the wrong reason. You would have to read both the "Right Wing" assessment AND the "Left Wing" assessment to understand what I mean. Neither one is accusatory, however, I interpreted the documents more along the lines of how this administration sees both groups on an intellectual level.

    First of all, both assessments are in PDF format, originally created in Jan of 2007. They have apparently been revised (edited) and republished after Obama took office. The "Left Wing" assessment document is now dated Jan 26, 2009 while the "Right Wing" document is dated April 7, 2009. I have no idea as to what extent these documents have been re-written.

    The "Left Wing" assessment has the radicals painted as primarily "non-violent" in their mode of operandi. They are prone to vandalizing property and executing cyber attacks against "evil" corporate networks, that don't comply to their concerns. Namely, environmental issues, animal rights, anti-capitalism, etc.

    The "Right Wing" assessment presents this group as being prone to being recruited by the radical extremistfaction of conservatism for violent terrorist attacks against the government.

    So, these assessments say that the nation is faced with 2 internal threats. One from radical tree hugging, educated, cyber hacking, vandalizing, make-love-not-war, liberals, and the other from radical religious, gun loving, knuckle dragging, ignorant, hotheads. Is it any wonder why we haven't heard the liberal left wing radicals raising hell about their assessment? It's obvious that the Obama administration holds itself and it's supporters (the Left Wing Radicals) to be of superior intellect than the Radical Right wingers. It's my belief that these contrasting assessments were released to the public for one reason - to make the liberals feel superior and to demean conservatives.

    Now, the "Left Wing" assessment was re-published Jan 26, 2009, nearly a week after Obama's inauguration. WE hardly heard anything about it, if at all. The "Right Wing" assessment was re-published this month, just prior to the April 15 TEA Party's. Was Obama hoping to insight us right wingers to stage violent demonstrations on Tax Day? Maybe. It would have given him a good excuse to declare Marshall Law, wouldn't it. If that was his plan, it didn't work. Hell we didn't even leave trash behind, like his worshipers did in DC, at his inaugural.

    Should we be pissed off? Sure. But, not because this document falselyinsinuatesthat we'reradical extremist. It's the insult to our intelligence that we should be angry about. Obama hasn't got a clue as to who he is screwing with. I believe he's going to find out soon enough.



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    I agree with part of that, but I'd also like to point out that I'm totally convinced that the only reason Napolitano ordered that report released over the objections of her own legal department was as a "scare' tactic.

    She wanted to chill free speech and freedom of expression by warning off ALL the groups mentioned - make them think twice before saying or doing anything that could be even remotely considered as "subversive" - for fear of being singled out and watched.

    And you won't change my mind about that.

    ANY government official who:

    (a) pulls desperately-needed BorderPatrolmen off the Southern border and sends them to the Northern border

    (b) sends Batf agents into the southern border - NOT to help control illegal guns/drugs coming IN but to harass and intimidate gun shop owners on the border and to prevent weapons from going OUT

    (c) releases a P.O.S. report like the one mentioned over the objections of their OWN legal counsel simply to squash potential opposition to a government gone mad

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    (d) orders a HALT to I.C.E raids of illegal employers and then turns around and gives those captured "work permits" and CHAUFFEUR SERVICE AT TAX-PAYER EXPENSE should - at the very least - be forced to RESIGN.

    Myself, I'm more in favor of the old-fashioned punishment for what could only be accurately-deemed treason.

    That every single man and woman on this and other boards aren't hammering their reps for the dismissal of Janet napolitano is totally beyond belief. Pete http://www.alarmandmuster.com/Home.html

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    She wanted to chill free speech and freedom of expression by warning off ALL the groups mentioned - make them think twice before saying or doing anything that could be even remotely considered as "subversive" - for fear of being singled out and watched.

    If that was her intent she achieved the polar opposite.

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    spy1,

    I wasn't disagreeing with you so much as I was trying to point out some other factors. You have touched on a few of them.

    Like I said, neither reports come out and accuse either side of being "radical extremists", but rather point out the potential for citizens leaning "left" or "right" to be recruited by radical extremist of their respective side of the fence.

    The reality is that there are radical extremists on both sides. However, the ones most likely to cause harm have always been psychotic nut jobs. I would find it hard to beleive that any one would want to be associated with mentally deranged terrorists.

    I'll try to find a link for downloading the PDF document of the "Radical Left Wing Extremists" assessment and post it. Once you've read both reports I think you'll find a stark contrast between the two.

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    I read the transcript of a Napolitano interview (I don't recall which one but it was from her recent "oh we didn't really mean that" tour) wherein she said that a "left wing" assessment was coming out next month. I have also read other things that said the "left wing" assessment had not yet been finalized or released. May I ask where you read that the "left wing" threat assessment wasreleased prior to the "right wing" threat assessment? I would have expected to see a comparison and contrast between the two all over the blogosphere and have not seen that.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    One thing that really stood out to me was the lack of quantification.

    Are there six disgruntled veterans? Two?

    Are there 35 militia groups with an estimate total membership of 450, or 140/10K?

    Giving no real numbers of estimated subversives really helpscreatea "they're everywhere" atmosphere.

    It also left the author wide open to criticism. Napolitano is dismayed about how it is being politicized? Give me a break! They were almost demanding such a reaction.

    Its the old issue about generalities again.


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    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    OK, found a site with links to both assessments.

    http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/authors/dave-dilegge/

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    I think everyone is getting their shorts in a not over this DHS document for the wrong reason. You would have to read both the "Right Wing" assessment AND the "Left Wing" assessment to understand what I mean. Neither one is accusatory, however, I interpreted the documents more along the lines of how this administration sees both groups on an intellectual level.

    First of all, both assessments are in PDF format, originally created in Jan of 2007. They have apparently been revised (edited) and republished after Obama took office. The "Left Wing" assessment document is now dated Jan 26, 2009 while the "Right Wing" document is dated April 7, 2009. I have no idea as to what extent these documents have been re-written.

    The "Left Wing" assessment has the radicals painted as primarily "non-violent" in their mode of operandi. They are prone to vandalizing property and executing cyber attacks against "evil" corporate networks, that don't comply to their concerns. Namely, environmental issues, animal rights, anti-capitalism, etc.

    The "Right Wing" assessment presents this group as being prone to being recruited by the radical extremistfaction of conservatism for violent terrorist attacks against the government.

    So, these assessments say that the nation is faced with 2 internal threats. One from radical tree hugging, educated, cyber hacking, vandalizing, make-love-not-war, liberals, and the other from radical religious, gun loving, knuckle dragging, ignorant, hotheads. Is it any wonder why we haven't heard the liberal left wing radicals raising hell about their assessment? It's obvious that the Obama administration holds itself and it's supporters (the Left Wing Radicals) to be of superior intellect than the Radical Right wingers. It's my belief that these contrasting assessments were released to the public for one reason - to make the liberals feel superior and to demean conservatives.

    Now, the "Left Wing" assessment was re-published Jan 26, 2009, nearly a week after Obama's inauguration. WE hardly heard anything about it, if at all. The "Right Wing" assessment was re-published this month, just prior to the April 15 TEA Party's. Was Obama hoping to insight us right wingers to stage violent demonstrations on Tax Day? Maybe. It would have given him a good excuse to declare Marshall Law, wouldn't it. If that was his plan, it didn't work. Hell we didn't even leave trash behind, like his worshipers did in DC, at his inaugural.

    Should we be pissed off? Sure. But, not because this document falselyinsinuatesthat we'reradical extremist. It's the insult to our intelligence that we should be angry about. Obama hasn't got a clue as to who he is screwing with. I believe he's going to find out soon enough.

    This was the first shot across the bow. I believe they are preparing for war and they're working to slander and discredit all of us before they declare that war so they can say "See, we told you they were violent extremists!"

    As the author said, this is a typical ploy by their type. Their counterparts in Russia and Nazi Germany did this and succeeded in killing millions. These people are dangerous and need to be voted out in the next election or there will be a war within the next 10 years.
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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    This was the first shot across the bow. I believe they are preparing for war and they're working to slander and discredit all of us before they declare that war so they can say "See, we told you they were violent extremists!"

    As the author said, this is a typical ploy by their type. Their counterparts in Russia and Nazi Germany did this and succeeded in killing millions. These people are dangerous and need to be voted out in the next election or there will be a war within the next 10 years.


    You do realize that these reports were ordered under the Bush administration, and not the Obama administration, right? :quirky

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    Shhh, don't ruin the fun.

    Have some popcorn and keep quiet.

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    Aran wrote:
    Shhh, don't ruin the fun.

    Have some popcorn and keep quiet.


    Bitches be drivin' up my ammo prices and shyt with thisparanoia,though.

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    This was the first shot across the bow. I believe they are preparing for war and they're working to slander and discredit all of us before they declare that war so they can say "See, we told you they were violent extremists!"

    As the author said, this is a typical ploy by their type. Their counterparts in Russia and Nazi Germany did this and succeeded in killing millions. These people are dangerous and need to be voted out in the next election or there will be a war within the next 10 years.
    You do realize that these reports were ordered under the Bush administration, and not the Obama administration, right? :quirky
    Wow, did you think of that all by yourself?:quirky


    You do realize that the DHS is made up of a conglomeration of 22 federal bureaucracies that have been the stronghold of entrenched progressives for years whose goal is to fight against their enemy from shielded positions within their respective departments. Did you ever wonder where all the leaks from the CIA, DHS, FBI and State Department came from? They came from bureaucrats who are Democrat operatives or lackeys. They have no shame and will even risk American lives overseas to advance their agenda. The problem with people like you is that you are just too naïve to understand the depravity of the people who would actively work to undermine an Administration to advance an ideology… the same ideology as Obama and most Democrats in Washington.
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    AWDstylez wrote:
    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    This was the first shot across the bow. I believe they are preparing for war and they're working to slander and discredit all of us before they declare that war so they can say "See, we told you they were violent extremists!"

    As the author said, this is a typical ploy by their type. Their counterparts in Russia and Nazi Germany did this and succeeded in killing millions. These people are dangerous and need to be voted out in the next election or there will be a war within the next 10 years.


    You do realize that these reports were ordered under the Bush administration, and not the Obama administration, right? :quirky

    Yes, I am aware that these assessments were ordered on Bush's watch. I suspect that all past administrations have ordered such threat assessments.

    However, I don't beleive these documents are in their original text. If you have read both documents you will have noticed that the publish dates are recent (after Obama took office). That would suggest that they have been opened up and re-written. To what extent they have been modified is unknown, unless some one can find a copy of the original PDF files, that are still dated Jan 2007.


    In fact, the "Right wing" assessment had to have been re-written after Obama was elected, since the current document includes references to racial and bigoted resentment as motivation due to having a blackman in the White House. We know for a fact that Obama and hissupporters have repeatedly played the race card during his campaign and continue to do so.

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    This was the first shot across the bow. I believe they are preparing for war and they're working to slander and discredit all of us before they declare that war so they can say "See, we told you they were violent extremists!"

    As the author said, this is a typical ploy by their type. Their counterparts in Russia and Nazi Germany did this and succeeded in killing millions. These people are dangerous and need to be voted out in the next election or there will be a war within the next 10 years.


    You do realize that these reports were ordered under the Bush administration, and not the Obama administration, right? :quirky
    That signal didn't get through the tinfoil...

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    Aran wrote:
    Shhh, don't ruin the fun.

    Have some popcorn and keep quiet.


    Bitches be drivin' up my ammo prices and shyt with thisparanoia,though.
    +10,000:celebrate

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    AWDstylez wrote:
    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    This was the first shot across the bow. I believe they are preparing for war and they're working to slander and discredit all of us before they declare that war so they can say "See, we told you they were violent extremists!"

    As the author said, this is a typical ploy by their type. Their counterparts in Russia and Nazi Germany did this and succeeded in killing millions. These people are dangerous and need to be voted out in the next election or there will be a war within the next 10 years.


    You do realize that these reports were ordered under the Bush administration, and not the Obama administration, right? :quirky
    That signal didn't get through the tinfoil...


    Yea I understand. They're all in a panic because so far Obama has done so much... nothing... and all Bush did was lock away and torture a bunch of people with no trials, invade a few foreign countries for corporate profit, and attempt to make himself king. You know, just little unimportant stuff. Obama... man... he's the one to watch out for. :quirky

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    all Bush did was lock away and torture a bunch of people with no trials
    Hmmm, a bunch of people? Your phrase here makes it sound like Bush rounded up the local PTA.

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    invade a few foreign countries for corporate profit,
    Proof that these countries were invaded for corporate profit? I thought not. Not saying I agree with the invasions, but without something more than just conjecture to go on, and no past history of the man saying that he would want to do THIS EXACT THING, I'd say you are the one wearing the tinfoil hat.

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    and attempt to make himself king.
    Hmmm, gee, and you think that we're nuts? We're basing our beliefs off of a solid history of Obama working at,and sayingexactly what he is now doing. Obama so far has broken almost every promise he made on the campaign trail, plus a few more he made after he was elected. Obama has signed into law more spending than all Presidents before him combined. Obama blocked banks from paying back the TARP fund so that government could still control them. Obama picked an Attorney General who has got to be one of the more anti 2nd Amendment choices out there.

    The document in question is a reflection of an underlying ideology that will not go away and is very much real. This document reflects a lot of people's beliefs on the left.

    Bush at least let courts make the final decision when issues pertained to the Constitution, even if I completely disagreed with the Patriot Act.... Obama and Holder think of the Constitution as a constraint and they don't like it. They are going to try to use every dirty trick they can to get around having to use the amendment process. The fact that so many of you are wilfully blind on this matter is just sad. It would be worse if you know this stuff is true, but you're trying to shame people into calming down so you can get more ammo for yourself as you know that the things Obama and Holder and Pelosi are promising are probably going to happen and will eventually drive the price of ammo and guns through the roof.
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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    AWDstylez wrote:
    all Bush did was lock away and torture a bunch of people with no trials
    Hmmm, a bunch of people? Your phrase here makes it sound like Bush rounded up the local PTA.

    AWDstylez wrote:
    invade a few foreign countries for corporate profit,
    Proof that these countries were invaded for corporate profit? I thought not. Not saying I agree with the invasions, but without something more than just conjecture to go on, and no past history of the man saying that he would want to do THIS EXACT THING, I'd say you are the one wearing the tinfoil hat.

    AWDstylez wrote:
    and attempt to make himself king.
    Hmmm, gee, and you think that we're nuts? We're basing our beliefs off of a solid history of Obama working at,and sayingexactly what he is now doing. Obama so far has broken almost every promise he made on the campaign trail, plus a few more he made after he was elected. Obama has signed into law more spending than all Presidents before him combined. Obama blocked banks from paying back the TARP fund so that government could still control them. Obama picked an Attorney General who has got to be one of the more anti 2nd Amendment choices out there.

    The document in question is a reflection of an underlying ideology that will not go away and is very much real. This document reflects a lot of people's beliefs on the left.

    Bush at least let courts make the final decision when issues pertained to the Constitution, even if I completely disagreed with the Patriot Act.... Obama and Holder think of the Constitution as a constraint and they don't like it. They are going to try to use every dirty trick they can to get around having to use the amendment process. The fact that so many of you are wilfully blind on this matter is just sad. It would be worse if you know this stuff is true, but you're trying to shame people into calming down so you can get more ammo for yourself as you know that the things Obama and Holder and Pelosi are promising are probably going to happen and will eventually drive the price of ammo and guns through the roof.


    For all anyone knows, he did. That's what happens when you have king like power with no courts or laws standing in your way.



    Is there another reason this country goes to war? If there is I'm not aware of it.



    It's funny. This country has been turning fascist for a long time now. The slope really steppened in the 80's under Reagan. But only now do all you whiners crawl out of the woodwork and start crying about it, and, best of all, you blame it all on Obama, the guy that's been in office three months. :quirky

    Just for starters, since you've obviously had your head up your ass for awhile now...

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...wer-play_x.htm

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