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    from http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...p;postcount=46

    AB 357 (shall-issue) fails in Public safety
    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=175740

    AB 962 (ammunition restrictions) passes Public Safety -- looks like this one will get out of the Assembly pretty easily, since DeLeon chairs Appropriations. Time to write - not email - your own Senator, too early for Senate Public Safety.
    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=175724

    AB 668 (school zones from 1000' to 1500') passes Public Safety
    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=175741



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    ...in a time when most of the country is experiencing a surge of pro-gun sentiment, with honest citizens being concerned for their personal defense and about restrictive gun laws, we can always rely on the CA government to keep pushing more gun restrictions.

    Open carry needs to hit the supreme court once and for all, and get the matter settled.

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    SB776 Hi cap Mag Possession got pulled though!

    We have now learned people, when a bill is in committee you don't call your Reps! They do not report that opposition.

    Notify the committee itself of your opposition and then you can note it to your rep. Only the committee records the actual opposition it seems.

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    Theseus wrote:
    SB776 Hi cap Mag Possession got pulled though!

    We have now learned people, when a bill is in committee you don't call your Reps! They do not report that opposition.

    Notify the committee itself of your opposition and then you can note it to your rep. Only the committee records the actual opposition it seems.
    Over 400 of us contacted all of the committee members against AB357 and it amounted to nothing. IMO dealing with the legislature is a complete waste of time. Attack using the courts.

    Somebody over on CalGuns asked (and never got a good answer) why can't we (who I guess is the questiin?) file for an injunction on every anti-gun law that ever passes, like was done to prop H and get it killed in the courts? All of this crap is now clearly unconstitutional in CA.



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    The members in place on the Public Safety Committee have proven that despite the numbers of Citizens that protest their bulldozed legislation, they will continue to vote in favor of the government.

    This is not to be defeatist. It just shows that even though thousands of us contacted our assembly people and state senators, it did not matter because only the PSC acknowledged comments for/against that were FAXED to them.

    Basically, we need to flood them with faxes.
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    AB 668 passed Public Safety? What about all of the residents living between 1000' and 1500' who will now not be able to bear arms in their front yard, walking to their car, mail box or just around the neighborhood. What about their safety and the safety of their children?The government continues to infringe on our right to self-protection...and so close to our "castles".

    What's the incremental increase in K-12 security going from 1000' to 1500'? Show me the facts on how the existing 1000' law has helped to reduce the risk of school shootings!It hasn't.And extending the zone to 1500' won't.If 1500' is such a good idea, why not 2,000' or a mile or 5 miles?

    What a piece of garbage legislation!
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    california is driving me nuts and i am looking to leave asap.
    they think that we are too dumb to protect ourselves when really our state government is to stupid to do ANYTHING right. if only some of us were in the state government in place of say, Matsui, Feinstein, etc. etc. Im fed up and im not going to continue ranting the same points as everyone else.

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    Sons of Liberty wrote:
    AB 668 passed Public Safety? What about all of the residents living between 1000' and 1500' who will now not be able to bear arms in their front yard, walking to their car, mail box or just around the neighborhood. What about their safety and the safety of their children?The government continues to infringe on our right to self-protection...and so close to our "castles".

    What's the incremental increase in K-12 security going from 1000' to 1500'? Show me the facts on how the existing 1000' law has helped to reduce the risk of school shootings!It hasn't.And extending the zone to 1500' won't.If 1500' is such a good idea, why not 2,000' or a mile or 5 miles?

    What a piece of garbage legislation!
    This illustrates the arbitrary nature of the restriction. It could be 100 feet, 1,000 feet, 1,500 feet or a 1,000 yards. The law has no effect on criminal behavior unless said criminal has already attracted the attention of law enforcement and the charge is added to a list of other penalties. The effect on ordinary people's behavior however, is that being law-abiding, they will self-disarm, reducing the number of legally possessed firearms in the school zone. Having these legislators increase the radius of a school zone without any corroborating statistics shows that they are not acting on any reasonable safety precautions.

    I have heard that this was a reaction to drug-trafficing near schools, however this doesnt hold any weight as existing law already criminalizes drug sales near schools and the legislation is makes no mention of drugs being the real issue. I am convinced the expansion is a reaction to open carry activities throughout the state.

    This, in my opinion, is a ban in much the same way DC had a ban on operable firearms. The exemption is a disabled firearm in that the gun must be unloaded and locked in a case for transportation. The trick is arguingthat we have a right to keep and carry arms outside our homes and private property. "Sensitive areas' have to die.
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    MudCamper wrote:
    IMO dealing with the legislature is a complete waste of time.
    There is a very effective way to deal with a state legislature. It is the tactic we used starting about 20 years ago here in Utah when we were working on shall issue legislation.

    We picked one or two legislators each election cycle that were anti-gun and concentrated our efforts to replace them. We would put sometimes several hundred volunteers in their district going door to door educating the voters on the voting record of the incumbent and the position of the challenger. Every time we unseated a representative, we made sure the media, and therefore the other legislators, knew that we had opposed the incumbent and supported the challenger on the basis of their stand on firearms rights issues.

    It only took a few election cycles to get the message across that those who opposed the Right to Keep and Bear Arms would face serious opposition at election time.

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