Results 1 to 8 of 8

Thread: Open carry picnic planning now in the works across Wisconsin

  1. #1
    Moderator / Administrator
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Fairfax County, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    8,711

    Post imported post

    I know several open carry rights organizers have contacted me and no doubt others are at work in thie communities - basically, given the WI school zone and car carry bans, my suggestion is simply to keep event simple and low key, ask folks to watch the ABC nightline video on our front page at opencarry.org (lower right) to see how VCDL.org runs their picnics, remind folks about simple stuff like the car and school zone bans, and to avoid all gun handling in public, and just have a nice time

    --

    http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo.../43347632.html

    Rush to carry guns in open is not likely
    But at least one group plans armed picnics in parks
    By Stacy Forster, Tom Held and Linda Spice of the Journal Sentinel


    Posted: Apr. 21, 2009





    Related Coverage

    Madison gun owner Auric Gold said he often carries a handgun in a holster while walking in his east side neighborhood, a right that attorney general J.B. Van Hollen affirmed in a memorandum to prosecutors on Monday.

    Van Hollen said it's legal to openly carry a gun on the street in Wisconsin and advised prosecutors that merely having a gun doesn't, by itself, warrant a disorderly conduct charge.

    The advisory gives those who choose to carry guns in public more confidence in doing so but isn't likely to spark a rush to arms, said Gold, who works with OpenCarry.org, a gun rights advocacy group based in Virginia.

    "Most of those inclined to do it already knew it was legal," said Gold, a 54-year-old photographer. "Those that choose to do so should be able to do so without interference."

    There didn't appear to be a noticeable increase in publicly armed residents Tuesday, but that could change.

    A group of Wisconsin gun advocates is planning a picnic in July with food, soft drinks and handguns, Gold said. Organizers are looking at locations in Burlington, he said, and a second picnic is being planned for the northern part of the state.

    The events would give gun owners an opportunity to "enjoy each other's company and exercise the right to open carry in Wisconsin," Gold said.

    Van Hollen's memorandum removes the fear of prosecution that kept some people from carrying firearms openly in Wisconsin, said John Pierce, co-founder of OpenCarry.org, who expects "a flood" of people to begin doing so.

    "In Wisconsin, because you are foreclosed from any other way to defend yourself, you're going to see people open carry for personal protection," Pierce said.

    Wisconsin is one of 29 states that allow open carry, and one of just two, with Illinois, that prohibit carrying concealed weapons. Gov. Jim Doyle twice vetoed legislation that would have made it legal. In 2006, Doyle said concealed carry laws didn't make sense, but those who wanted to carry guns in Wisconsin should "wear it on your hip," the Wisconsin Dells Events newspaper reported.

    Reacting Tuesday to questions about Van Hollen's memorandum, Doyle said local communities should be able to adopt their own ordinances relating to guns. He said he objected to a 1995 law that barred municipalities from enacting gun regulations that are more stringent than state regulations and wiped out about 35 local gun-control ordinances.

    "To me it's a very different issue whether you're walking down Wisconsin Avenue in Milwaukee with a gun on your hip and . . . if you're carrying a hunting rifle through a town during hunting season," Doyle said..

    There are constitutional considerations regarding such ordinances, and Doyle's position would require a change to state law. He stopped short of calling for that Tuesday, but others did not.

    Rep. Leon Young (D-Milwaukee), a former Milwaukee police officer, was surprised by Van Hollen's memorandum and said he's drafting legislation to change or clarify state law to prevent people from openly carrying weapons.

    "I'm just totally in opposition to putting more guns on the streets," Young said. "We have too many incidents in which people are being shot and killed in Milwaukee."

    Even if the Legislature repealed the statute that limits local gun regulations, ordinances against open carry would be challenged on constitutional grounds, said James Fendry, director of the Wisconsin Pro-Gun Movement. The constitution provides the right to bear arms, and if the state law prohibits concealed carry, open carry must be allowed to ensure people can exercise that right, Fendry said.

    Van Hollen's memorandum refers to the 1998 constitutional amendment affirming the right to bear arms in Wisconsin, for security, defense, hunting, recreation or any other lawful purpose. The U.S. Supreme Court last year struck down a handgun ban in Washington, D.C., saying it was unconstitutional.

    Law officers preparing
    Meanwhile, some law enforcement officials are preparing to face more open-carry situations, and some are clear the memo won't change their approach.

    Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn said he'll continue to tell officers they can't assume people are carrying guns legally in a city that has seen nearly 200 homicides in the past two years.

    "My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it," Flynn said. "Maybe I'll end up with a protest of cowboys. In the meantime, I've got serious offenders with access to handguns. It's irresponsible to send a message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them."

    In communities where shootings aren't as common, police say they'll at least be asking questions.

    "We all anticipate in the metro area that some people who are very passionate about this topic may exercise this right, and there may be reason for us to stop and talk to them," said Wauwatosa Police Lt. Dominic Leone.

    Cudahy Detective Dala Milosavljevic said Van Hollen's advisory creates a new atmosphere for police.

    "It's going to be like the Wild West where they have the holster strapped down to their leg," he said.

    But Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm said Van Hollen's memorandum changes very little for prosecutors, and few citizens are likely to begin openly carrying firearms as a result.

    In a practical sense, there are limited locations where it would be legal, given statutory prohibitions against carrying firearms in businesses with liquor licenses, in school zones or public buildings, he said.

    "I do have faith that the vast majority of people are going to continue to use the same sound judgment and not openly display or carry firearms in a public setting," Chisholm said.

    Stacy Forster reported for this article from Madison, and Tom Held and Linda Spice reported from Milwaukee. Material from the Associated Press was used in this report.

  2. #2
    Regular Member sraacke's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Saint Gabriel, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    1,222

    Post imported post

    Mike wrote:
    Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn said he'll continue to tell officers they can't assume people are carrying guns legally in a city that has seen nearly 200 homicides in the past two years.

    "My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it," Flynn said.
    Oh Snap. No He Didn't.

    I betting that the motorcycle shops in that area will be seeing a lot of sales because of that guy.
    President/ Founding Member
    Louisiana Open Carry Awareness League
    www.laopencarry.org

  3. #3
    Wisconsin Carry, Inc. Shotgun's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Madison, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    2,668

    Post imported post

    I specifically told the reporter that I do not work for or speak on behalf of Opencarry.org, and that I'm only one of thousands of forum users, but the article makes it sound like I'm an employee. Well, where's my paycheck guys? :P

    Overall I think the article was fine. The accompanying editorial by Jim Stingl however was laughable.
    A. Gold

    Failure to comply may result in discipline up to and including termination.
    The free man is a warrior. - Nietzsche "Twilight of the Idols"

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Kenosha, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    236

    Post imported post

    Sounds good.

  5. #5
    Regular Member demnogis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Orange County, California, USA
    Posts
    912

    Post imported post

    Mike wrote:
    Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn said he'll continue to tell officers they can't assume people are carrying guns legally in a city that has seen nearly 200 homicides in the past two years.

    "My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it," Flynn said. "Maybe I'll end up with a protest of cowboys. In the meantime, I've got serious offenders with access to handguns. It's irresponsible to send a message to them that if they just carry it openly no one can bother them.
    Wait wait wait... The Police Chief says that the police will decide if the public have a right to carry or not?
    Gun control isn't about guns -- it is about control.

  6. #6
    Founder's Club Member ixtow's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Suwannee County, FL
    Posts
    5,069

    Post imported post

    yale wrote:
    Mike wrote:
    Milwaukee Police Chief Ed Flynn said he'll continue to tell officers they can't assume people are carrying guns legally in a city that has seen nearly 200 homicides in the past two years.

    "My message to my troops is if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we'll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it," Flynn said.
    Oh Snap. No He Didn't.

    I betting that the motorcycle shops in that area will be seeing a lot of sales because of that guy.
    Every time I read it, this is the part that keeps grabbing my attention: troops?

    I've known it for a long time, most of us have. The overgrown para-militarized police forces of this nation are soldiers who view the citizens and their rights to all be 'the enemy' in need of predation.

    But this is the first time I've seen it so boldly stated, out loud, quoted by the media.

    When your government no longer has any fear of openly stating its desire to overthrow the people and their rights, you've missed the bus. History shows that, once they get that far out of control, there is rarely any way to restore civilized, legitimate government other than violent revolution.

    They are dug in, and are openly preparing for War on We the People.

    How reasonable is it to sit around and do nothing about it?
    "The fourth man's dark, accusing song had scratched our comfort hard and long..."
    http://edhelper.com/poetry/The_Hangm...rice_Ogden.htm

    https://gunthreadadapters.com

    "Be not intimidated ... nor suffer yourselves to be wheedled out of your Liberties by any pretense of Politeness, Delicacy, or Decency. These, as they are often used, are but three different names for Hypocrisy, Chicanery, and Cowardice." - John Adams

    Tyranny with Manners is still Tyranny.

  7. #7
    McX
    Guest

    Post imported post

    Someone email me when they're going to have an open carry picnic in Burlington?! nitrousgarageworks@yahoo.com

  8. #8
    McX
    Guest

    Post imported post

    Since when do the Police, who are sworn to serve and protect have the right to interpret our Constitutional rights? Since when do they have the authority to "throw to the ground", and sieze the property ofsomeone who is exercising their Constitutional rights? WHat happened to the presumption of innocence, the criminals seem to skate on that one routinely. I thought the courts, and our elected officials dictated to the Police their conduct regarding our rights as citizens. Troops...........that was a good one, builds public confidence huh?

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •