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    "We hope everyone who now wants to openly carry a gun ask themselves: Do I really have a right to intimidate my fellow citizens, by openly displaying my weapon in this way?"

    Wow, is this question laden with anti-gun liberal agenda or what?

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    Nitrox314 wrote:
    "We hope everyone who now wants to openly carry a gun ask themselves: Do I really have a right to intimidate my fellow citizens, by openly displaying my weapon in this way?"

    Wow, is this question laden with anti-gun liberal agenda or what?
    It's just a straw man argument. Both the antis and the pros use that fallacy-based technique freely. Easy to spot.

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    "Flynn vowed to have officers who see anyone carrying a gun on Milwaukee streets, "put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether (the person has) a right to carry it."


    sounds to me as if this man is looking for multiple civil rights lawsuits....

    it would be nice to see 10-15 people gathered in Milwaukee to demonstrate that law abiding people are NOT the enemies of the state as this criminal police chief would have everyone believe.

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    HankT wrote:
    Nitrox314 wrote:
    "We hope everyone who now wants to openly carry a gun ask themselves: Do I really have a right to intimidate my fellow citizens, by openly displaying my weapon in this way?"

    Wow, is this question laden with anti-gun liberal agenda or what?
    It's just a straw man argument. Both the antis and the pros use that fallacy-based technique freely. Easy to spot.
    it sounds as if that police chief has some serious issues with the people who choose to exercise their Constitutionally protected rights...

    as for "intimidation"--law enforcement does that every day to the people...it always seems that it is only intimidation if the PEOPLE choose to exercise their rights in what the police consider a "socially unacceptable" way...but it is NEVER intimidation when law enforcement does it...

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    I can remember when the sight of a black man walking through a (by law) all-white neighborhood would result in the cops being called, the black man being put on the ground, cuffed and hauled off to jail. Laws and customs have changed. Now, no one gives it a second thought.

    Just because some people are disturbed by a citizen doing something he has a right to do doesn't mean they have to call the cops. When I lived in Tucson in the early '70s, open carry was common and no one got upset. They were used to it.

    Open carry will be accepted when people learn that the sight of a gun doesn'tmean a crime is about to be committed. Cops will stop over-reacting when they learn the same thing.

    If it's legal to open cary where you live, do so. Routine open carry is the only solution to this garbage.

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    Does wisconsin have a "terrorist threats" law? Most tend to say something like this: "A terrorist threat is the threat to commit an act of violence intended to threaten or intimidate another individual(s) with reckless disregard of the risks."

    If Wisconsin does have such a law, wouldn't the following statement attributed to Flynn apply: “if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have a right to carry it.” ?

    Just a thought.

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    Communities are precluded from having gun laws tougher than the state, which means the 1995 state law that wiped out 35 local ordinances would have to be repealed.

    We urge the Legislature to do so and give communities the ability to set their own laws on where people can openly carry.
    Are you kidding me? They basically want to REPEAL Wisconsin's pre-emption statute and give local govt the ability to ban as they please.

    I just heard that Gov Doyle wants legislatures to make it so. This is outrageous.

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    Thanks to all forms of media people assume people with guns are dangerous. I blame peoples inability to fact check and use reasoning. Why think for yourself when you can have others think for you - socialism 101

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    suntzu wrote:
    it would be nice to see 10-15 people gathered in Milwaukee to demonstrate that law abiding people are NOT the enemies of the state as this criminal police chief would have everyone believe.
    That would be fun.

    To mistakenly act due to innocence of what the law says is one thing. To blatantly ignore it is another.

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    I'm intimidated by people who are larger than me, let's ban gyms and tall people so that Ifeel more secure.:P

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    How can the Chief of Police violate the law and NOT go to jail. This is absurd! He needs to be put on notice, follow the laws you purport to enforce or step down from your position. There seems to be a madness sweeping the country, that any liberal can simply make up the laws as they go. We can no longer abide by these a@*holes.


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    if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have theright to carry it
    FYI Chief Flynn, that decision was made over 200 years ago and is covered by the second ammendment of the Constitution of the United States.


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    "We hope everyone who now wants to openly carry a gun ask themselves: Do I really have a right to intimidate my fellow citizens, by openly displaying my weapon in this way?"
    IMHO, it's "intimidating" only to people who're up to no good.

    Good, honest, people have nothing to fear from good, honest, armed people.
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    Huck wrote:
    if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have the*right to carry it
    FYI Chief Flynn, that decision was made over 200 years ago and is covered by the second ammendment of the Constitution of the United States.


    The last I heard it aint up to*Police Chiefs to decide whether or not*people have rights.
    Actually, that decision was made thousands of years ago by whatever force(s) you choose to believe caused humans to come into existence (I'll line up with God, myself).
    The Framers of the Constitution merely wrote it down so jokers like Flynn could remember it.

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    Still, there's a good reason to not walk around town with a rifle slung over your shoulder, or a handgun strapped at your side in a holster like a gunslinger: The mere sight of it will frighten other people who may believe that the "gunman" is about to start shooting innocent bystanders, or is about to walk into a building to slay former co-workers.
    When is the last time a gunman walked around openly carrying his gun? They don't!Plus, all the recent stories about shooting are exactly why we all SHOULD carry a gun around.

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    Swampbeast wrote:
    Still, there's a good reason to not walk around town with a rifle slung over your shoulder, or a handgun strapped at your side in a holster like a gunslinger: The mere sight of it will frighten other people who may believe that the "gunman" is about to start shooting innocent bystanders, or is about to walk into a building to slay former co-workers.
    When is the last time a gunman walked around openly carrying his gun? They don't!Plus, all the recent stories about shooting are exactly why we all SHOULD carry a gun around.
    See the red text above....

    With this same logic we need to fear EVERY MALE for he is walking around in public with the potential to RAPE and we need to arrest every female for they have the equipement to be prostitutes.

    Reminds me of the story in which a woman is reading in a small boat that is floating on the lake. Unfortunately, she also has a fishing pole and line in the boat with her and NO Fishing license. The Game warden threatens to arrest/cite her for she has all the equipment needed to fish illegally. She responded that she would charge him with rape since he had all the equipment needed to commit rape.

    Finally, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UNREASONABLE FEARS OF SHEEPLE! IF they can't deal with my LAWFUL possesion and carry of my lawfully owned and carried firearms that is their problem!


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    Nitrox314 wrote:
    "We hope everyone who now wants to openly carry a gun ask themselves: Do I really have a right to intimidate my fellow citizens, by openly displaying my weapon in this way?"

    Wow, is this question laden with anti-gun liberal agenda or what?
    Should have read:
    "We hope that everyone asks themselves: Does Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn really have the right to intimidate law abiding citizens by stating his intention to order officer's under his command to threaten them with deadly force if they legally exercise a constitutionally protected right?

    And if he is so willing to ignore the law, state constitution and US Constitution on this matter, what other laws will he order his force to ignore and what other constitutionally protected rights will they unilaterally infringe in the future with the threat of deadly force against law abiding citizens?"
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    Finally, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UNREASONABLE FEARS OF SHEEPLE! IF they can't deal with my LAWFUL possesion and carry of my lawfully owned and carried firearms that is their problem!
    Amen pard! Since when dounreasonable fears over-ride our rights?

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    Nitrox314 wrote:
    "We hope everyone who now wants to openly carry a gun ask themselves: Do I really have a right to intimidate my fellow citizens, by openly displaying my weapon in this way?"

    Wow, is this question laden with anti-gun liberal agenda or what?
    By this logic LEOs are intimidating people whenever they are on duty. I don't think that the chief would say that, though. I would hope he would say "These people who OC are simply carrying like my officers do while on duty" but then again he is a tool who shows he cannot uphold the state constitution.

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    Huck wrote:
    Finally, I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE UNREASONABLE FEARS OF SHEEPLE! IF they can't deal with my LAWFUL possesion and carry of my lawfully owned and carried firearms that is their problem!
    Amen pard! Since when dounreasonable fears over-ride our rights?
    Since we are talking about the UNREASONABLE FEAR mongering of a local police official ,I will say that I am not responsible for Chief Flynn's UNREASONABLE FEARS regarding Citizens who possess, own, or carry firearms under the protection of Constitutionally recognized protection!
    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
    If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
    As said by SVG--- "I am not anti-COP, I am PRO-Citizen" and I'll add, PRO-Constitution.
    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

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    Police... are public servants. (I was one) Law enforcement is a public service based on maintaining the peace and public order IAW the Constitution(s) and local Ordinances as determined by representative government(s). In my case...is was theMayor and City Counciland laws of the State.many of thelaws of the state and the city (combined) in Maryland, and 'practices'were/are unconstitutional. There are several states in that bag. 'Long story short... I resigned in disgust manywinters ago.

    For a Chief law enforcement officer to 'make law'... is bellicose, unconscionable and tyrannical abuse of position of authority and a violation of oath of office. Flynn should have been fired upon that utterance/order and removed from office immediately. That he was not speaks volumesabout the mayor of Milwaukee. I really wonder what Flynn is afraid of? Is he that ignorant of other localities where openly bearing arms is recognized and NOT problematic? I believe he came from Virginia... and I find this attitude strange. But then... Norfolk PD has/had the same mentality.

    I find it strange that some 'groups' can wail at length about imaginarycivil rights violations of terrorist enemy combatantscaptured on foreign battlefields but not a peep about actual Constitutionally protected civil rightsviolations (or intended deprivation thereof) of American citizens under color of law. Particularly whensuch 'law' has already been verified bytheA.G. of the state.This is upside down.

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    I am intimidated by people driving while using cellphones.

    Let us ban cellphones. Let us ban people with cellphones who also own a car.

    I am intimidated by people with loud voice.

    Let us ban them too. Or at least let's put them to the ground and decide if they can talk later on.





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    LEO had taken an oath to uphold the law. Even if the law runs counter to their personal beliefs and opinions. Otherwise, the only way to go is to resign.

    This is similar to a physician who had taken an oath. Can you imagine being denied emergency service because the ER physician does not agree with the tattoo on your neck?

    This is absurd. I agree with the observation that the fact he is still in office despite what he said speaks volumes of his boss. Maybe they shopuldn't be in office next term.

    Carry on Milwaukee.

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    Huck wrote:
    if you see anybody carrying a gun on the streets of Milwaukee, we’ll put them on the ground, take the gun away and then decide whether you have theright to carry it
    FYI Chief Flynn, that decision was made over 200 years ago and is covered by the second ammendment of the Constitution of the United States.


    The last I heard it aint up toPolice Chiefs to decide whether or notpeople have rights.
    Well stated.

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