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Driving on University Roads

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The officers at my university say that I can't drive on their roads with a gun in my car, not even to pass through to make a trip shorter with no intention of exiting my vehicle, because they make the rules and that's how it is. I know that preemption doesn't apply because they're not a local government, but I thought that if you were in your vehicle then you may carry wherever, with the exception of employers being able to prohibit their employees from doing so on company property. I've been told that there are sparsely posted signs that say that firearms aren't allowed.

If I'm wrong about the 'your car is your property so you may carry wherever' thing, then I can see how they can easily enforce the policy prohibiting firearms seeing as how they can make their own rules. If that's the case, there's no need to answer the questions below. Just tell me I'm wrong.

Question one: Being a student of this university, can they enforce this rule upon me?

Question two: Can a person who is not affiliated with the university have this rule enforced upon them?
 
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College Carry: Concealed Carry Prohibited by Statute - Open Carry Generally Legal

 NOTE: Even if Legal, Students May be Subject to Academic Sanctions

I'm not sure if this applies to universities or not, but if your a student there I would assume they can enforce it upon you seeing as it may be a policy of the campus.
 
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UnSeen UnKnown wrote:
College Carry: Concealed Carry Prohibited by Statute - Open Carry Generally Legal

 NOTE: Even if Legal, Students May be Subject to Academic Sanctions

I'm not sure if this applies to universities or not, but if your a student there I would assume they can enforce it upon you seeing as it may be a policy of the campus.
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concealed carry prohibited in classrooms and dorms by statute, OC legal, CC legal outside classrooms and dorms.
 
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xd-40 wrote:
UnSeen UnKnown wrote:
College Carry: Concealed Carry Prohibited by Statute - Open Carry Generally Legal

 NOTE: Even if Legal, Students May be Subject to Academic Sanctions

I'm not sure if this applies to universities or not, but if your a student there I would assume they can enforce it upon you seeing as it may be a policy of the campus.
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concealed carry prohibited in classrooms and dorms by statute, OC legal, CC legal outside classrooms and dorms.
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xd-40 is correct as far as the Concealed Pistol law itself is concerned BUT, as regards preemption, since Universities/Colleges are not listed as being preempted by the state in matters relating to the possession of firearms, the current understanding is that they could enforce the possession of the firearm on university property, the CPL law notwithstanding. Until such time as the law is changed, if a CPL holder chooses to carry on university property, they would be ostensibly subject to the law as written by the university. The most conservative interpretation of current law would be that "you are wrong", they could enforce the university code against students and non-students alike.
 
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DrTodd wrote:
xd-40 wrote:
UnSeen UnKnown wrote:
College Carry: Concealed Carry Prohibited by Statute - Open Carry Generally Legal

NOTE: Even if Legal, Students May be Subject to Academic Sanctions

I'm not sure if this applies to universities or not, but if your a student there I would assume they can enforce it upon you seeing as it may be a policy of the campus.
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concealed carry prohibited in classrooms and dorms by statute, OC legal, CC legal outside classrooms and dorms.
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xd-40 is correct as far as the Concealed Pistol law itself is concerned BUT, as regards preemption, since Universities/Colleges are not listed as being preempted by the state in matters relating to the possession of firearms, the current understanding is that they could enforce the possession of the firearm on university property, the CPL law notwithstanding. Until such time as the law is changed, if a CPL holder chooses to carry on university property, they would be ostensibly subject to the law as written by the university. The most conservative interpretation of current law would be that "you are wrong", they could enforce the university code against students and non-students alike.
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I believe this is true if an ordinance was enacted by the university, but a policy wouldn't really apply to non staff/students but non/staff/studentsmightbe subject toa possible trespass charge.
 
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I don't know what institute you're referring to, since you didn't mention it. But I once asked MSU PD about passing through their area to East Lansing. I was told, as long as I had no intended ending destination within MSU, there was no problem with me just passing thru with my pistol. However, if I intended to stop for any length of time on MSU property, then I should stop by their station first, and bring in my UNLOADED firearm to be stored in their station.
 
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I'm familiar with WMU's campus.

Many roads on campus only lead to campus buildings.

Simply put, you need to determine which ones are considered private roads, not plowed by the city of Kalamazoo (or county, for that matter). Those should be safe for your travels. If any are maintained exclusively by the University, then you're possibly overstepping the bounds.
 
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Yep, WMU is correct. So the whole 'my car is my property thing' that I thought I'd heard somewhere doesn't hold water? I didn't know if there was any law that states that or not (or if it's just something I heard somewhere.)
 
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So if I am a student at a University, and have my gun in my truck, and the truck is parked on campuswhile I go to class this is not allowed either? I have not done this yet because I have an apartment close to school, but have been wondering it.
 
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T Vance wrote:
So if I am a student at a University, and have my gun in my truck, and the truck is parked on campuswhile I go to class this is not allowed either? I have not done this yet because I have an apartment close to school, but have been wondering it.
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I highly doubt you will find a University/College anywhere in Michigan whose policyallows students and faculty to carry or store firearms on campus. There are some exemptions for students and faculty, for example,who are involved in sporting events held by the University/College. IIRC, MSUhasrifle and archery competitions.
 
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I believe MSU PD has storage in the station. So you could store weapons on campus, but it would be at the MSU police station.
 
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Big Gay Al wrote:
I believe MSU PD has storage in the station. So you could store weapons on campus, but it would be at the MSU police station.
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I'm fairly certain most Universities/Colleges have some sort of weapon (guns & bows)storage in the Campus PD Buildings. But I/we were talking about storage in vehicles. I know, I should have been more specific.
 
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Yeah, they don't want you to store any weapons in your vehicle on campus. Regardless how little time you intend to be on campus.
 
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As far as Vehicle storage as long as it's in your trunk (and unloaded) the MTU police don't care. Last year they actually encouraged it because otherwise they would have had to have someone unlock weapons storage in their office.

Up until this year the weapons storage used to be located inside the residence hall. You just had to have someone from Facilities Mgmt. unlock the storage room to get to the locker. I think it has a lot to do with a large quantity of the campus having hunting rifles and what not.
 
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I've been wondering about this too. Suppose I want to go the bank, and I want to OC as well. The most direct route requires that I go down State street and South University, both of which have major U of M buildings on both sides of the street. Are the sidewalks okay? Should I stay partially in the road? I haven't been able to get a straight answer out of the local PDs, I may have to get official.
 
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Rogue9er wrote:
I've been wondering about this too. Suppose I want to go the bank, and I want to OC as well. The most direct route requires that I go down State street and South University, both of which have major U of M buildings on both sides of the street. Are the sidewalks okay? Should I stay partially in the road? I haven't been able to get a straight answer out of the local PDs, I may have to get official.
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If the roads are public and the sidewalks are public that is other businesses are along the sidewalks My opinion is that you are okay. It's the roads and sidewalks that are entirely surrounded by U of M campus that may be a problem.

I have heard that the lawyers for U of M and MSU (same firm) will not prosecute for firearm violations in regards to CPL holders (other than students) because they don't want to have a case that supports Preemption if they should lose the prosecution..
 
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