Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 56

Thread: Why can't the NRA be more like the gay community?

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    39

    Post imported post

    I'm speaking politically. Watch the tactics of the Gay community. They are relentless. They tryed to hav a U.S. const ammendment passed....that tactic failed. Then they switched tactics and decided to hone all their energy, power, resources and attacked the laws of one state at a time. They hav been successful in4 states. In Cali they lost at the voting polls. Did they stop? NOPE. They then took their fight to the Cali sup crt.

    This is whatthe NRA needs to do. Hone in all their energy, power, and resourcesthen pick a state - andattack it.(politically speaking)Be relentless. Get the laws changed their...then move on to the nxt state.

  2. #2
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Indiana, Pennsylvania, USA
    Posts
    674

    Post imported post

    Aren't you just the cutest.

    The NRA doesn't want to win. That's too much effort. They want to LOOK like they're pushing so people keep donating.

    Plus, once they win, they run the risk of less people donating = less money in their pockets.

  3. #3
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    39

    Post imported post

    Aran wrote:
    Aren't you just the cutest.

    The NRA doesn't want to win. That's too much effort. They want to LOOK like they're pushing so people keep donating.

    Plus, once they win, they run the risk of less people donating = less money in their pockets.
    And I thought I was the only who knew the NRA was worthless.

  4. #4
    Founder's Club Member - Moderator Gray Peterson's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Lynnwood, Washington, USA
    Posts
    2,238

    Post imported post

    Rayce Bannon wrote:
    I'm speaking politically. Watch the tactics of the Gay community. They are relentless. They tryed to hav a U.S. const ammendment passed....that tactic failed. Then they switched tactics and decided to hone all their energy, power, resources and attacked the laws of one state at a time. They hav been successful in4 states. In Cali they lost at the voting polls. Did they stop? NOPE. They then took their fight to the Cali sup crt.

    This is whatthe NRA needs to do. Hone in all their energy, power, and resourcesthen pick a state - andattack it. (politically speaking)Be relentless. Get the laws changed their...then move on to the nxt state.
    You got it slightly backwards. "They tried to have a US constitutional amendment passed". Actually, we (I say "we" as a member of the GLBT community myself) were trying to stop a constitutional amendment that would have not only put the "Defense of Marriage" act into federal law, but also enforce it against states too.

    The "other side" was relentless in pushing the DOMA Constitutional Amendment, which would have not only overturned the State Supreme Court decisions made on the basis of their own state constitutions, they would have stripped the state of Vermont from passing a marriage equality law legislatively, which passed by more than 2/3rds majorities in both state legislative bodies after overriding a gubernatorial veto. This is the same state which is regarded as the Valhalla of gun rights, the source of "Vermont-carry" and so on.

    I would eventually say that the destinies of the gun rights movement and the GLBT rights movement are somewhat similar, if not intermixed together in some ways.

    The gun rights movement is regularly attacked by false statistical analysis of the likes of Carl Bogus, Arthur Kellerman, and Josh Sugarmann, stating that gun owners are dangerous to themselves, their familes and their communities, using BS statistics as the "13 children a day" and "43 times more likely" crap.

    The gay rights movement (as well as individuals) are attacked also by false statistical analysis of the likes of Paul Cameron, who regularly pumped out false statistics that gay men's life expectancy was around age 40. His source of his statistics? Obituaries in local gay news weeklies. Self-reporting bias anyone?

    The gun rights movement is also regularly attacked by people who continually say that the streets will run red with blood if we are allowed to carry for our personal protection.

    The gay rights movement (as well as individuals who are so) are attacked by preachers that say that gay couples getting married is worse than the Iowa floods of 2008, which, I dunno, actually KILLED PEOPLE?!!!

    Same kinds of arguments, same kinds of emotional rhetoric. "Everyone knows that this is what will happen when we allow 'fill in the blank here' to happen."

    Gee, makes you wonder why I'm so suspicious of such kind of statements :what:

    Think of the marriage equality movement as similar to the state of the United States concealed carry laws in 1988, after Florida passed their law in 1987. The NRA, and other local organizations, DID relentlessly go after states to pass shall-issue carry laws. The marriage equality movement is actually now following about the same path as NRA/other gun rights orgs starting in 1987. The gay rights movement actually learned from the relentlessness of the NRA/other gun rights groups, which focused on 1 state, Florida (which took YEARS to pass), and then went to others and spread it around.

    I could write an enter treatise on the subject of comparative civil rights activism. Maybe I should.

  5. #5
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Indiana, Pennsylvania, USA
    Posts
    674

    Post imported post

    I, too, am a lesbian.

  6. #6
    Founder's Club Member - Moderator Gray Peterson's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Lynnwood, Washington, USA
    Posts
    2,238

    Post imported post

    Aran wrote:
    I, too, am a lesbian.
    If you're a lesbian, so's my dad! :what:

  7. #7
    Regular Member Lord_Kalen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Montesano - outer areas, Washington, USA
    Posts
    43

    Post imported post

    I personally would love to see an armed gun owner pride parade ..

    Or maybe a large OC gathering in San Fransisco ?

  8. #8
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Washington Island, across Death's Door, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    9,193

    Post imported post

    To the OP,

    'Gay' is a lifestyle among other things, not unlike a religiously observant life, a faith that cannot be denied but at great personal expense.

    The NRA is in the business for profit. The NRA is the obverse of the gun control slice of baloney with Sarah Brady's et alii on the reverse.

    An NRA 'member' can scrape his sticker, tear up his card and stop paying his subscription and live an easier life. A 'gay' cannot.

  9. #9
    Campaign Veteran Nelson_Muntz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Manassas, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    697

    Post imported post

    Lord_Kalen wrote:
    I personally would love to see an armed gun owner pride parade ..

    Or maybe a large OC gathering in San Fransisco ?
    Can you actually strap a holster to a man-thong?

  10. #10
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Indiana, Pennsylvania, USA
    Posts
    674

    Post imported post

    Doug Huffman wrote:
    To the OP,

    'Gay' is a lifestyle among other things, not unlike a religiously observant life, a faith that cannot be denied but at great personal expense.

    The NRA is in the business for profit. The NRA is the obverse of the gun control slice of baloney with Sarah Brady's et alii on the reverse.

    An NRA 'member' can scrape his sticker, tear up his card and stop paying his subscription and live an easier life. A 'gay' cannot.
    I think you absolutely missed the point here.

  11. #11
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    , Connecticut, USA
    Posts
    2,715

    Post imported post

    Lord_Kalen wrote:
    I personally would love to see an armed gun owner pride parade ..

    Or maybe a large OC gathering in San Fransisco ?


    Better yet, as I've been saying forever, we need a GAY/LESBIAN gun owner parade. Nothing will take the wind out of the anti's sails like seeing homosexuals supporting the second amendment. If there was ever a break through outlet for the second amendment movement, it's the Pink Pistols and anything similar. Now we couldget rid of thehomophobe hicks in our ranks we'd kill two birds withone stone.



    And, to the OP... this:

    Aran:
    The NRA doesn't want to win. That's too much effort. They want to LOOK like they're pushing so people keep donating.

    Plus, once they win, they run the risk of less people donating = less money in their pockets.



  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Virginia USA, ,
    Posts
    1,688

    Post imported post

    The NRA and the Brady Campaign are one in the same. Neither would like to see anything actually done to help/remove the 2nd Amendment - if a forever AWB was passed, IMO the Brady Campaign would start to lose money, the NRA might gain membership to "fight it" but the Bradys would benefit more if they could run their fear campaign of "zomg it is going to expire! we need more money!"

    They thrive off one another.

  13. #13
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Washington Island, across Death's Door, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    9,193

    Post imported post

    Aran wrote:
    I think you absolutely missed the point here.
    Shrug WTFC?

  14. #14
    Campaign Veteran Nelson_Muntz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Manassas, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    697

    Post imported post

    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Aran wrote:
    I think you absolutely missed the point here.
    Shrug WTFC?
    'Shrug, WTF, O?'

    Fixed it.

  15. #15
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    31

    Post imported post

    gays and lesbians have the luxury of liberal activist judges on there side, and there are a hell of a lot more than 4million of them,that is the number of voteing NRA gun owners.

    As you know, the number of voters gets the politicians attention.

    I don,t want to get into the NRA only in it for the money thing AGAIN, but if you actually new anybody that worked there, you would realize that NOBODY is there for the money.

  16. #16
    Founder's Club Member - Moderator Gray Peterson's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Lynnwood, Washington, USA
    Posts
    2,238

    Post imported post

    1stfreedom wrote:
    gays and lesbians have the luxury of liberal activist judges on there side, and there are a hell of a lot more than 4million of them,that is the number of voteing NRA gun owners.
    Is anyone who decides against your opinion is an activist judge? I'm sure the Brady Campaign and VPC agrees with you about "activist judges" striking down local gun control laws.

    "Activist Judge" is a buzzword boogieman that's been used by those who are against the civil rights of individuals for decades or more, and when the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, and the SCOTUS, starts striking down California's carry law, AWB's, and so on, the Brady's, acting like the modern day Klansmen and Lester Maddox's, will decry the decision as the work of "activist judges".

  17. #17
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Washington Island, across Death's Door, Wisconsin, USA
    Posts
    9,193

    Post imported post

    1stfreedom wrote in small part:
    ...4million of them,that is the number of voteing NRA gun owners.
    4 million is the total number of magazine subscriptions sold. Your statement, "...that is the number of voteing[sic] NRA gun owners" cannot be objectively substantiated, or indeed that they even own guns.

    NRA, moochers and looters.



  18. #18
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    , Connecticut, USA
    Posts
    2,715

    Post imported post

    Gray Peterson wrote:
    1stfreedom wrote:
    gays and lesbians have the luxury of liberal activist judges on there side, and there are a hell of a lot more than 4million of them,that is the number of voteing NRA gun owners.
    Is anyone who decides against your opinion is an activist judge? I'm sure the Brady Campaign and VPC agrees with you about "activist judges" striking down local gun control laws.

    "Activist Judge" is a buzzword boogieman that's been used by those who are against the civil rights of individuals for decades or more, and when the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, and the SCOTUS, starts striking down California's carry law, AWB's, and so on, the Brady's, acting like the modern day Klansmen and Lester Maddox's, will decry the decision as the work of "activist judges".


    LAWL I was thinking the exact same thing. Thumbs up to your, sir, for telling it like it is.

  19. #19
    Founder's Club Member - Moderator Gray Peterson's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Lynnwood, Washington, USA
    Posts
    2,238

    Post imported post

    I have a low opinion of people who engage in pro-gun arguments based on not wanting to register their guns, not wanting to be on a "list", not wanting the government in general to destroy their privacy for whatever, and then supporting allow states to use police state tactics against groups that they don't like (gays, hippies, whoever). Such hypocrisy isn't unnoticed by the fence sitters on the left side of the equation.

  20. #20
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Indiana, Pennsylvania, USA
    Posts
    674

    Post imported post

    Gray Peterson wrote:
    I have a low opinion of people who engage in pro-gun arguments based on not wanting to register their guns, not wanting to be on a "list", not wanting the government in general to destroy their privacy for whatever, and then supporting allow states to use police state tactics against groups that they don't like (gays, hippies, whoever). Such hypocrisy isn't unnoticed by the fence sitters on the left side of the equation.
    But them gays and hippies ain't real people!

  21. #21
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Rockingham, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    861

    Post imported post

    The RELENTLESS LOGICof Mitt Romney is the type relentlessness the RKBA movement needs .

  22. #22
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Indiana, Pennsylvania, USA
    Posts
    674

    Post imported post

    R a Z o R wrote:
    The RELENTLESS LOGICof Mitt Romney is the type relentlessness the RKBA movement needs .
    Mitt Romney is a freedom hating bigot. Get it through your freedom hating bigoted head.

  23. #23
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Rockingham, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    861

    Post imported post

    Aran wrote:
    R a Z o R wrote:
    The RELENTLESS LOGICof Mitt Romney is the type relentlessness the RKBA movement needs .
    Mitt Romney is a freedom hating bigot. Get it through your freedom hating bigoted head.
    I want to live backwards likenorAesohwtsaltsoprebmun si666 .



  24. #24
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    31

    Post imported post

    Doug Huffman wrote:
    1stfreedom wrote in small part:
    ...4million of them,that is the number of voteing NRA gun owners.
    4 million is the total number of magazine subscriptions sold. Your statement, "...that is the number of voteing[sic] NRA gun owners" cannot be objectively substantiated, or indeed that they even own guns.

    NRA, moochers and looters.

    If you think that it is worth mentioning that about 0.25% are not gun owners then your right,not all members are gun owners.

    The NRA does not sell magazine subscriptions.

    When I used the term"Activist Judges" I was referring to judges that make an effort to legislate from the bench. I remember seeing an interview about gay marriage and the individual being interviewed said"We just need to get a judge to change the law." Where do people get the idea that a judge can change the law?? They get that idea because it has become common place in area's like the 9th circuit appellate court where judges tend to rule in favor of political influence rather than in favor of how the laws were written.

  25. #25
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    , Connecticut, USA
    Posts
    2,715

    Post imported post

    Aran wrote:
    Gray Peterson wrote:
    I have a low opinion of people who engage in pro-gun arguments based on not wanting to register their guns, not wanting to be on a "list", not wanting the government in general to destroy their privacy for whatever, and then supporting allow states to use police state tactics against groups that they don't like (gays, hippies, whoever). Such hypocrisy isn't unnoticed by the fence sitters on the left side of the equation.
    But them gays and hippies ain't real people!
    Reminds me of...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brj2UkUPjCI



Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •