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Rayce Bannon wrote:
I'm speaking politically. Watch the tactics of the Gay community. They are relentless. They tryed to hav a U.S. const ammendment passed....that tactic failed. Then they switched tactics and decided to hone all their energy, power, resources and attacked the laws of one state at a time. They hav been successful in4 states. In Cali they lost at the voting polls. Did they stop? NOPE. They then took their fight to the Cali sup crt.
This is whatthe NRA needs to do. Hone in all their energy, power, and resourcesthen pick a state - andattack it. (politically speaking)Be relentless. Get the laws changed their...then move on to the nxt state.
You got it slightly backwards. "They tried to have a US constitutional amendment passed". Actually, we (I say "we" as a member of the GLBT community myself) were trying to stop a constitutional amendment that would have not only put the "Defense of Marriage" act into federal law, but also enforce it against states too.
The "other side" was relentless in pushing the DOMA Constitutional Amendment, which would have not only overturned the State Supreme Court decisions made on the basis of their own state constitutions, they would have stripped the state of Vermont from passing a marriage equality law legislatively, which passed by more than 2/3rds majorities in both state legislative bodies after overriding a gubernatorial veto. This is the same state which is regarded as the Valhalla of gun rights, the source of "Vermont-carry" and so on.
I would eventually say that the destinies of the gun rights movement and the GLBT rights movement are somewhat similar, if not intermixed together in some ways.
The gun rights movement is regularly attacked by false statistical analysis of the likes of Carl Bogus, Arthur Kellerman, and Josh Sugarmann, stating that gun owners are dangerous to themselves, their familes and their communities, using BS statistics as the "13 children a day" and "43 times more likely" crap.
The gay rights movement (as well as individuals) are attacked also by false statistical analysis of the likes of Paul Cameron, who regularly pumped out false statistics that gay men's life expectancy was around age 40. His source of his statistics? Obituaries in local gay news weeklies. Self-reporting bias anyone?
The gun rights movement is also regularly attacked by people who continually say that the streets will run red with blood if we are allowed to carry for our personal protection.
The gay rights movement (as well as individuals who are so) are attacked by preachers that say that gay couples getting married is worse than the Iowa floods of 2008, which, I dunno, actually KILLED PEOPLE?!!!
Same kinds of arguments, same kinds of emotional rhetoric. "Everyone knows that this is what will happen when we allow 'fill in the blank here' to happen."
Gee, makes you wonder why I'm so suspicious of such kind of statements :what:
Think of the marriage equality movement as similar to the state of the United States concealed carry laws in 1988, after Florida passed their law in 1987. The NRA, and other local organizations, DID relentlessly go after states to pass shall-issue carry laws. The marriage equality movement is actually now following about the same path as NRA/other gun rights orgs starting in 1987. The gay rights movement actually learned from the relentlessness of the NRA/other gun rights groups, which focused on 1 state, Florida (which took YEARS to pass), and then went to others and spread it around.
I could write an enter treatise on the subject of comparative civil rights activism. Maybe I should.