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VCU student charged with murder

skidmark

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scarletwahoo wrote:
skidmark wrote:
§ 18.2-33. Felony homicide defined; punishment.

The killing of one accidentally, contrary to the intention of the parties, while in the prosecution of some felonious act other than those specified in §§ 18.2-31 and 18.2-32, is murder of the second degree and is punishable by confinement in a state correctional facility for not less than five years nor more than forty years.

(1975, cc. 14, 15; 1999, c. 282.)
If it comes down to that, a minimum of 5 years in prison seems way unfair for someone that could have possibly saved someone from being raped, kidnapped, and/or murdered.

If this happened in a state like Texas with a castle doctrine, he would have not had to worry.

First Ryan Frederick, now this. I hope the charges are dropped.

Just to be nitpicking for a moment - Castle Doctrine is not the same as immunity from civil liability.

Castle doctrine, generally stated, is the absence of a need to retreat before taking action to defend yourself. As it now is used, it means you do not need to retreat before defending yourself if you were in a place you were legally entitled to be (home, street, shopping mall, etc.) and were not engaged in any illegal activity at the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine

Civil immunity, on the other hand, protects you from being sued by the person or the heirs/estate of the person if they were engaged in illegal activity causing you to defend yourself. (See the wiki section.)

The issue is that the natural right of defense of self and others changes in an instant as events unfold. What may have been justified or excusable can become criminal in less than the blink of an eye. On the other hand, Force Science Institute http://www.forcescience.org/has done some excellent work showing, for instance, that a person was shot in the back because the shooter could not pull the trigger fast enough to get the shot off when the person was in fact facing them. http://www.forcescience.org/fsinews/2005/12/how-force-science-saved-2-gun-cops-from-trial-for-murder/

stay safe.

skidmark
 

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It's worth pointing out, though, that many of the state laws which apply the Castle Doctrine also provide Civil Immunity for self defense actions. This encourages folks to conflate the two different elements of these laws.
 

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Even when shooting someone in self defense you will be question as per the INVESTIGATION, and as such you are not FREE to go. The rest is basic, keep quiet, and seek an attourney,IMO.
 

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Pagan wrote:
Even when shooting someone in self defense you will be question as per the INVESTIGATION, and as such you are not FREE to go. The rest is basic, keep quiet, and seek an attourney,IMO.
+1. Pagan is a wise man.
 

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The story is in constant flux.

First the badguy had the girlfriend at gunpoint; then in the next story she came out to find the badguy in her car, runs back to get her boyfriend; no mention of being at gunpoint.

Now. . .if the first version is correct; badguy has her at gunpoint and Driver comes out and shoots him; I fail to see how that isn't a good shoot.

If the second version is correct, Driver is going to find himself in deep doo-doo. The law doesn't permit for deadly force to defend property; its more or less reserved to defend your life or that of another if you feel you're about to be murdered or moments away from serious bodily injury and the badguy has the means to make that happen at his whim.

If the girlfriend was running away and the badguy wasn't aiming at her; then he used deadly force in defense of property; which the law doesn't presently allow for.

If the girlfriend was running away and the badguy was drawing a bead on her; then his use of deadly force was used in defense of life; which the law does allow for.

Unfortunatley for those of us in the court of public opinion; the hacks in Richmond Press corp have all the journalistic prowess of a drunk kindergardner.
 

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ChinChin wrote:
If the girlfriend was running away and the badguy wasn't aiming at her; then he used deadly force in defense of property; which the law doesn't presently allow for.
This is something that I feel should be changed.
 
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