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    T Vance wrote:
    Well after my incident last week, the officer that wrote a "report" on me sent a copy to the gun board about my "open carry". Well 4 days later there is a letter for me in the mail saying to meet the gun board this Thursday. Should be interesting to see what they are going to have to say.
    Good luck!

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    Please reference incident from last week.

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    I meant reference it with a link for New readers...

    Not everyone reads this message board everyday and follows every thread.

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    Thanks, that makes it easier for people to figure out whats going on.

    Also, could you go into your profile and fix your location so that it reflex that you're a Michigan resident?



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    T Vance wrote:
    news story URL





    Pretty good article. Not great. But it got a lot of positive stuff in there.


    Jackson area police receive several calls about residents carrying sidearms
    by Steven Hepker |

    Jackson Citizen Patriot
    Monday April 27, 2009, 2:17 PM


    An apparent organized flexing of Second Amendment rights last weekend was a bit too Wild West for some local citizens and business owners.

    Police and deputies responded to a number of complaints about citizens packing sidearms at restaurants, stores and other public areas.

    None of the gun carriers was cited.

    Michigan's 2001 shall-issue concealed weapons law greatly increased the number of citizens packing handguns. The public, however, does not notice the guns because they are hidden under clothing.

    But a shopper with a handgun on his hip in Target is another matter. Security officers followed the man Saturday and contacted city police.

    "One of our officers had contact with the man in the parking lot, and that was the end of it," Lt. Christopher Simpson said. "He was carrying legally."

    Blackman Township officers responded to reports of a diner with a handgun in a hip holster at Bob Evans Restaurant on West Avenue, and another with a visible sidearm at Wal-Mart on E. Michigan Avenue.

    "We verified they were legitimate side carries," Blackman Township Public Safety Director Jon Johnston said.

    While the appearance of citizens carrying weapons is unsettling to some, it also is an expression of freedom.

    "Sometimes it is a matter of educating the public that this is a constitutional right," Johnston said. "We do not take enforcement action against those who obey the law."

    Sheriff's deputies, meanwhile, were called to Vandercook Lake to check out two suspicious males, each carrying a handgun on his side.

    It was a father and son, and the father also was packing two concealed handguns, sheriff's Capt. Kevin Stellingworth said. The father has a concealed-weapons permit.

    Stellingworth and Undersheriff Thomas Finco said that citizens who exercise the right to carry guns openly should realize it alarms the public and police.

    "It hypes people up to see someone carrying a gun," Finco said. "What people don't realize is it is perfectly legal."

    Aside from designated pistol-free areas, such as schools, bars, stadiums, churches and hospitals, most public and private areas in Michigan are open to both concealed weapons and open sidearms.

    Stellingworth said law officers and business owners cannot become complacent regarding citizens showing weapons.

    Because more citizens are choosing to carry weapons in public, police trainers are addressing that by incorporating scenarios in which officers approach those who could be exercising a right, or are up to no good.




    There was a thread Target in Jackson LEO encounter started hereweek agoabout the incident:

    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/25094.html

    but the OP was deleted for some reason....



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    T Vance wrote:
    Well after my incident last week, the officer that wrote a "report" on me sent a copy to the gun board about my "open carry". Well 4 days later there is a letter for me in the mail saying to meet the gun board this Thursday. Should be interesting to see what they are going to have to say.
    Is this a regular gun board meeting? Be sure to record the your portion of the meeting. Public meetings are not free from recording. If they refuse you ask for the forms for an appeal, etc. Don't argue, but do stand your ground. Ask for the reason of the denial. I would call someone on the board and ask what it's about, perhaps they plan on arresting you. Be sure to leave your firearm at home.
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    thats how it was with mine they sent me letter about a week before i got my cpl i thought the 3 man panelseemed to beok guysand the metting is always the firsttuesday of the month

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    T Vance wrote:
    http://www.co.jackson.mi.us/countycl...concealed.aspx

    Looks like it was a planned meeting. It's just funny how I recieved the letter less than a week before the planned meeting, and only several days after the report was sent to them.
    If they ask, ask them what you did that was unlawful. Tell that OC is legal and you were following the law at all times.
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    I had to delete the story because they are considering charging me with a crime. I'll update everything once I know I am in the clear in a court of law.
    T,

    Do you know yet what crime they are considering charging you with? It's not incriminating for you to say, and since I remember what you wrote about the incident I'm curious.

    Also, you have or will obtain counsel, right, if the charge is made?
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    T Vance wrote:
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    At the end of the report the officer wrote she was sending a copy of the report to the gun board, and another copy to the prosecuting attorney "for warrant consideration of CCW in a motor vehicle". After watching the videos from te squad cars I'm assuming it is because the officer thinks the only place you can take a firearm is to the range if you don't have a CPL.

    If I am charged I will be getting an attorney. I have already spoke with several pertaining to this matter, and have picked out the one I will be contacting if I am arrested for this nonsense and charged.

    Tomorrow I either clear the air with the prosecuting attorney and he/she see's I did nothing against the law, or they charge me with a bogus claim. Either way I'm hoping to walk out of there with my CPL tomorrow.
    Why would they care? They make their bogus claims and move on without repercussions. Their worst case scenario is that they may have to appear in court...Big deal, theyshow up for work each day, still get paidand it's no skin off their azz.

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    Got to LOOOVVE the system

    They seem to be a bunch of educated I D IO T S

    For alot of them the word COMMON SENSE got lost on the wayto work

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    T Vance wrote:
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    Why would they care? They make their bogus claims and move on without repercussions. Their worst case scenario is that they may have to appear in court...Big deal, theyshow up for work each day, still get paidand it's no skin off their azz.
    I know. Question though, if I am charged with a crime and found not guilty, is there a way to get my money back for all the expenses (i.e. - lawyer fee's, day's missed from work), considering the fact that the stop was potentially illegal?
    Generally no, because they made the charge in good "faith" That is they felt you were in violation. That's why it's easy for them to screw with us. It's no real pain for them. But if it happens again, to you or someone else in their jurisdiction,then there is a pattern of bogus charges, and youmay have recourse then.

    Now, if they violated your rights in some way you havesome legal recourse with a federal civil rights violation, but that would take a lawsuit.
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    Well done. Looks like charges won't be forth coming.
    An Amazon best seller "MY PARENTS OPEN CARRY" http://www.myparentsopencarry.com/

    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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    Looks like being prepared with paperwork and all is wise and I know it worked for me too! Congrat's!
    Today JESUS would tell me to sell my coat and buy two Springfield XD Compact 45acp's!

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