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diesel556
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Good luck!
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dougwg
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Please reference incident from last week.
Please reference incident from last week.
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I meant reference it with a link for New readers...
Not everyone reads this message board everyday and follows every thread.
I meant reference it with a link for New readers...
Not everyone reads this message board everyday and follows every thread.
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Thanks, that makes it easier for people to figure out whats going on.
Also, could you go into your profile and fix your location so that it reflex that you're a Michigan resident?
Thanks, that makes it easier for people to figure out whats going on.
Also, could you go into your profile and fix your location so that it reflex that you're a Michigan resident?
HankT
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Pretty good article. Not great. But it got a lot of positive stuff in there.
Jackson area police receive several calls about residents carrying sidearms
by Steven Hepker |
Jackson Citizen Patriot
Monday April 27, 2009, 2:17 PM
An apparent organized flexing of Second Amendment rights last weekend was a bit too Wild West for some local citizens and business owners.
Police and deputies responded to a number of complaints about citizens packing sidearms at restaurants, stores and other public areas.
None of the gun carriers was cited.
Michigan's 2001 shall-issue concealed weapons law greatly increased the number of citizens packing handguns. The public, however, does not notice the guns because they are hidden under clothing.
But a shopper with a handgun on his hip in Target is another matter. Security officers followed the man Saturday and contacted city police.
"One of our officers had contact with the man in the parking lot, and that was the end of it," Lt. Christopher Simpson said. "He was carrying legally."
Blackman Township officers responded to reports of a diner with a handgun in a hip holster at Bob Evans Restaurant on West Avenue, and another with a visible sidearm at Wal-Mart on E. Michigan Avenue.
"We verified they were legitimate side carries," Blackman Township Public Safety Director Jon Johnston said.
While the appearance of citizens carrying weapons is unsettling to some, it also is an expression of freedom.
"Sometimes it is a matter of educating the public that this is a constitutional right," Johnston said. "We do not take enforcement action against those who obey the law."
Sheriff's deputies, meanwhile, were called to Vandercook Lake to check out two suspicious males, each carrying a handgun on his side.
It was a father and son, and the father also was packing two concealed handguns, sheriff's Capt. Kevin Stellingworth said. The father has a concealed-weapons permit.
Stellingworth and Undersheriff Thomas Finco said that citizens who exercise the right to carry guns openly should realize it alarms the public and police.
"It hypes people up to see someone carrying a gun," Finco said. "What people don't realize is it is perfectly legal."
Aside from designated pistol-free areas, such as schools, bars, stadiums, churches and hospitals, most public and private areas in Michigan are open to both concealed weapons and open sidearms.
Stellingworth said law officers and business owners cannot become complacent regarding citizens showing weapons.
Because more citizens are choosing to carry weapons in public, police trainers are addressing that by incorporating scenarios in which officers approach those who could be exercising a right, or are up to no good.
There was a thread Target in Jackson LEO encounter started hereweek agoabout the incident:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/25094.html
but the OP was deleted for some reason....
T Vance wrote:
Pretty good article. Not great. But it got a lot of positive stuff in there.
Jackson area police receive several calls about residents carrying sidearms
by Steven Hepker |
Jackson Citizen Patriot
Monday April 27, 2009, 2:17 PM
An apparent organized flexing of Second Amendment rights last weekend was a bit too Wild West for some local citizens and business owners.
Police and deputies responded to a number of complaints about citizens packing sidearms at restaurants, stores and other public areas.
None of the gun carriers was cited.
Michigan's 2001 shall-issue concealed weapons law greatly increased the number of citizens packing handguns. The public, however, does not notice the guns because they are hidden under clothing.
But a shopper with a handgun on his hip in Target is another matter. Security officers followed the man Saturday and contacted city police.
"One of our officers had contact with the man in the parking lot, and that was the end of it," Lt. Christopher Simpson said. "He was carrying legally."
Blackman Township officers responded to reports of a diner with a handgun in a hip holster at Bob Evans Restaurant on West Avenue, and another with a visible sidearm at Wal-Mart on E. Michigan Avenue.
"We verified they were legitimate side carries," Blackman Township Public Safety Director Jon Johnston said.
While the appearance of citizens carrying weapons is unsettling to some, it also is an expression of freedom.
"Sometimes it is a matter of educating the public that this is a constitutional right," Johnston said. "We do not take enforcement action against those who obey the law."
Sheriff's deputies, meanwhile, were called to Vandercook Lake to check out two suspicious males, each carrying a handgun on his side.
It was a father and son, and the father also was packing two concealed handguns, sheriff's Capt. Kevin Stellingworth said. The father has a concealed-weapons permit.
Stellingworth and Undersheriff Thomas Finco said that citizens who exercise the right to carry guns openly should realize it alarms the public and police.
"It hypes people up to see someone carrying a gun," Finco said. "What people don't realize is it is perfectly legal."
Aside from designated pistol-free areas, such as schools, bars, stadiums, churches and hospitals, most public and private areas in Michigan are open to both concealed weapons and open sidearms.
Stellingworth said law officers and business owners cannot become complacent regarding citizens showing weapons.
Because more citizens are choosing to carry weapons in public, police trainers are addressing that by incorporating scenarios in which officers approach those who could be exercising a right, or are up to no good.
There was a thread Target in Jackson LEO encounter started hereweek agoabout the incident:
http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum30/25094.html
but the OP was deleted for some reason....
Venator
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Is this a regular gun board meeting? Be sure to record the your portion of the meeting. Public meetings are not free from recording. If they refuse you ask for the forms for an appeal, etc. Don't argue, but do stand your ground. Ask for the reason of the denial. I would call someone on the board and ask what it's about, perhaps they plan on arresting you. Be sure to leave your firearm at home.
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cabman1
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thats how it was with mine they sent me letter about a week before i got my cpl i thought the 3 man panelseemed to beok guysand the metting is always the firsttuesday of the month
thats how it was with mine they sent me letter about a week before i got my cpl i thought the 3 man panelseemed to beok guysand the metting is always the firsttuesday of the month
Venator
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If they ask, ask them what you did that was unlawful. Tell that OC is legal and you were following the law at all times.
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T,
Do you know yet what crime they are considering charging you with? It's not incriminating for you to say, and since I remember what you wrote about the incident I'm curious.
Also, you have or will obtain counsel, right, if the charge is made?
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T,
Do you know yet what crime they are considering charging you with? It's not incriminating for you to say, and since I remember what you wrote about the incident I'm curious.
Also, you have or will obtain counsel, right, if the charge is made?
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SpringerXDacp
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Why would they care? They make their bogus claims and move on without repercussions. Their worst case scenario is that they may have to appear in court...Big deal, theyshow up for work each day, still get paidand it's no skin off their azz.
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mastiff69
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Got to LOOOVVE the system:banghead:
They seem to be a bunch of educated I D IO T S
For alot of them the word COMMON SENSE got lost on the wayto work:cuss:
Got to LOOOVVE the system:banghead:
They seem to be a bunch of educated I D IO T S
For alot of them the word COMMON SENSE got lost on the wayto work:cuss: