Kicked out of home depot in Lacey.

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"There is no right to carry at Home Depot, or on any other private property. There is license, which I've explained above. There is no right to be free from bigotry or discrimination on private property unless you are a member of a protected class."

There you have it! We should all just take what we are given. I suppose the blacks of the sixties should have just taken what they were given. Neither I nor anyone else said that we have a right to carry on private property. That's all your straw man argument. Additionally, if you're denying a connection between acceptance of the presence of guns by the general public and what we do at OCDO to assure those rights, then you haven't been paying attention. To phrase it another way, TechnoWeenie was doing nothing more scandalous or questionable than blacks who shopped at white neighborhood stores to acclimate whites to their status as ordinary people.

MD

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Machoduck wrote:

There you have it! We should all just take what we are given. I suppose the blacks of the sixties should have just taken what they were given. Neither I nor anyone else said that we have a right to carry on private property. That's all your straw man argument.

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You accuse another of a straw man ...three sentences away from your own straw man.

Nice.




Machoduck wrote:

To phrase it another way, TechnoWeenie was doing nothing more scandalous or questionable than blacks who shopped at white neighborhood stores to acclimate whites to their status as ordinary people.

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Ahh, the race card. How very droll...

Hey, I was just wondering. This Weenie fellow seems to get into more than his share of confrontations with rude, disrespectful store managers with and attitude...

Is it possible that he could be the common denomin.....nah. Never mind.

Let's just tab him the Danbus of the west coast...

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deanf wrote

The store manager or any representative of the company right down to the kid who cleans the urinals has full legal authority to eject any person (who is not in a protected class) from the store for any reason. Whether they have authority from their employer to eject people is a separate matter and again, none of our business.

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Really? If some guy with a mop told me to leave the store I would ask him to have the manager contact me. AFAIK only the person in charge of the store can trespass you, not anyone as you state. If the assistant manager told me that in "his" store I had to follow "his" rules I would contact corporate to ask why they were harassing customers.

Part of the problem with HD is that corporate has told members on several occasions what the corporate policy is. There are, however, managers that violate that policy. It is our business, as customers, if the employees are violating corporate policy. No one has suggested filing a lawsuit or calling the police that I am aware of. However, contacting corporate to ask why their policies are being ignored by management and why managers are acting in a rude manner to employees is a legitimate course of action.

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"Ahh, the race card. How very droll..."

How is what I said "playing the race card"? I was discussing tactics, not crying about treatment of certain people due to their race. Learn to tell the difference.

MD

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ETA: Sorry double bang. Worn sear.

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The manager is a narrow minded ideologue with a napoleon complex that every employee hates. He has conquered the employees and is now graduating to customers.

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All baseless supposition. Or do we have another clairvoyant on the board?

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TechnoWeenie wrote:

I'm sick and tired of this personal agenda bull@#$%...

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Kick Ass Seabass

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I used to work at Home Depot. There is no corporate policy that I'm aware of. Employees are prohibited of course, but they do allow OC to be carried to the employee locker room. His loss prevention "team" is likely 1 or maybe 2 dudes, a step down from a mall cop. Our LP guy was a fired cop, would never say what he got fired for. When I worked there, the LP dude's biggest accomplishment was setting up an elaborate sting to catch the SOB that was stealing lunches out of the employee fridge.

I'd get on the horn to the regional manager - quarter should have ended March 31st so if the store by any chance missed their target marks, anything messing with sales will be dealt with. Otherwise, there's not a whole lot of brains in the whole outfit. The ex-CEO of HD is currently running Chrysler, just keep that in mind. Bring a receipt in from Lowes or better yet, fax it to the regional manager, HD absolutely loathes Lowes. Good luck.

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kenny31 wrote:

I'd get on the horn to the regional manager - quarter should have ended March 31st so if the store by any chance missed their target marks, anything messing with sales will be dealt with. Otherwise, there's not a whole lot of brains in the whole outfit. The ex-CEO of HD is currently running Chrysler, just keep that in mind. Bring a receipt in from Lowes or better yet, fax it to the regional manager, HD absolutely loathes Lowes. Good luck.

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LOL. How about sending a picture of you with cartload of stuff at Lowe's while OCing next to an employee. That should make blood shoot out of the regional manager's eyes

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Thundar wrote:

HankT wrote:

I'd like to hear the store manager's side of the story--especiallywith regard to when,whyand how he asked you to leave. Was it really the "third sentence" he uttered to you?

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Is there any way we can get his side of the story? It would help in understanding what happened. We may be missing something that's important here.

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Here you go Hank:

The manager is a narrow minded ideologue with a napoleon complex that every employee hates. He has conquered the employees and is now graduating to customers.

Techno Weenie is fighting back and the manager does not like it. Makethe despotfeel unemployment pain TW.

Do you get it yet Hank?

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I don't think you get it Thundar. When I suggested that it would be useful to "hear the store manager's side of the story--especiallywith regard to when,whyand how he asked [TechnoWeenie] to leave," I meant, uh, that it would be useful to "hear the store manager's side of the story--especiallywith regard to when,whyand how he asked[TechnoWeenie] to leave."


Seems kind of simple, really.

You are not providing the manager's side of the story.

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I was calm and polite until he mentioned that it was his policy, where I reiterated that he was intentionally and deliberately violating corporate policy. at which point i was already being 'escorted' to the door... I did wish him good luck finding a new job in such a bad economy if he insisted on enforcing his own policy in violationf of corporate...

I'm 6'2" and 300 lbs... peoples' own inferiority complezes tend to come out when they feel challeneged.

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TechnoWeenie wrote:

I was calm and polite until he mentioned that....

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Aha!

Ladies and gentleman of the jury, I rest my case. :quirky

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. By the way the manager may be upset about his previous conversation with corporate. If corporate does indeed have a policy that is in conflict with the manager I believe they would definitely like to hear about the rebellion.

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Let me add the opinions of a senior manager in a very similar store.

a. Policy does not trump my opinion if I'm in the store. If I asked you to leave you need to leave. Why quote policy to me? I know it. If my janitor asked you to leave and you stayed and told him to get me, when the police showed up i would tell them you had already refused to leave when asked and were trespassing.

b. Do not tell me how much you supposedly spend, or were going to spend. It makes you look stupid. We know who the big customers are and they don't make cheap threats. A picture of you walking out of Lowes while OC'ing? Don't forget to wear your clown suit!

Anybody who stays in retail does so because they enjoy the people. We will take care of customer regardless of how much they spend.

c. IMHO your confrontation with the manager hurts us more then it helps us. I think you should have left quietly and taken it up with the district manager and coorporate.

d. Three of you have commented on the LP team, yet you clearly don't know what they do. You should probably STFU until you get a clue.

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HankT wrote:

TechnoWeenie wrote:

I was calm and polite until he mentioned that....

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Aha!

Ladies and gentleman of the jury, I rest my case.  :quirky

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Not so fast there kemo sabe...

Being impolite, Ie telling him I hope he can find a new job in this bad economy, is not tantamount to belligerence. There was a definite change in my voice, hence the 'calm' changing...

Just because I correct him and make sure he understands his actions may impact him negatively does not make me some @#$% on a warpath...




ETA: Policy is there for a reason, WTF is a policy for if there's no repercussions for not following it?

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TechnoWeenie, don't you usually carry a recording device? Do you have video from this encounter?

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Tawnos wrote:

TechnoWeenie, don't you usually carry a recording device? Do you have video from this encounter?

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I did not have a chance to turn it on, all happened in about 30 seconds....

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Misguided Child wrote:

Let me add the opinions of a senior manager in a very similar store.

a. Policy does not trump my opinion if I'm in the store. If I asked you to leave you need to leave. Why quote policy to me? I know it. If my janitor asked you to leave and you stayed and told him to get me, when the police showed up i would tell them you had already refused to leave when asked and were trespassing.

b. Do not tell me how much you supposedly spend, or were going to spend. It makes you look stupid. We know who the big customers are and they don't make cheap threats. A picture of you walking out of Lowes while OC'ing? Don't forget to wear your clown suit!

Anybody who stays in retail does so because they enjoy the people. We will take care of customer regardless of how much they spend.

c. IMHO your confrontation with the manager hurts us more then it helps us. I think you should have left quietly and taken it up with the district manager and coorporate.

d. Three of you have commented on the LP team, yet you clearly don't know what they do. You should probably STFU until you get a clue.

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lol. Your post makes me wish I still worked retail.

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Here's the transcript, to the best of my ability, going from memory...

I was looking at some L brackets, been in the store about a min or so...


He comes approaching me from the strong side, I didn't recognize him at first.... He was not wearing anything identifying him as an employee..

Tom: Hi, I remember I talked to you before about this.

Me: What do you mean?

Tom: That (eyes motioning towards my pistol)

Me: Oh, My pistol, yes, what do you mean? (starting to remember it was the manager I talked to earlier) Oh, right right, what can I do for ya?

Tom: You can't have it in here, you're going to have to leave it in your car.

Me: Oh... (puzzled) wellll I had permission from corporate, if you remember the letter I had from corporate, the corporate policy is that you go by the state law, so if it's permissible in the state, then it's allowed in the store. I brought in a copy of that a few months ago to prevent any of these issues, so we'd be on the same page.

Tom: That doesn't matter, my policy, and my LP team leader agrees with me, is that you can't have a gun in my store, if you don't leave, we'll call the police.

Me: (Puts product down, starts walking toward the exit) So you're telling me that you're intentionally violating corporate policy, even when I gave you a copy, and now you're kicking me out?

Tom: That's correct sir.

Me: Do you have a business card?

Tom: No.

Me: You don't have a business card? Who is your supervisor?.... Do you have a GM?.... A store manager?

Tom: I'm it, I'm in charge, we don't have a store manager, we have a district manager. you can call the loss prevention leader if you want to discuss it with him.

Me: And whats your name sir?

Tom: Tom.

Me: (shaking head) Unbelievable... Well Tom, it's gonna be pretty hard to get a new job in this economy, I wish the best of luck to you, Have a good night.




This entire convo lasted all of bout 30 seconds or so...



As I see it, there's violations of corporate policy in reference to firearms, dress code, lying about management (presumably so I couldn't complain), lying about his position in the store (being 'the' manager, not being a store manager), etc.

I even told HIS boss that I could completely understand if it was an 'I dunno, I'm gonna err on the side of caution until I find out' kind of situation, but this was completely NOT the case... It was a personal agenda, a personal issue about HIM not wanting guns in 'HIS' store...

Your personnel represent the company they work for.

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Let me simplify it for you: What are you going to do about it, other than tattle on him?