the500kid wrote:I just took a CPL class today and one of the instructors was detroit PD and while he made the statment that open carry was legal in the state "In certain citys and unincorparated arreas" he also said "that city ordineces pre-emt state law." Your CPL instructor is wrong. My CPL instructor said something similar. Most of them do. Something you should keep in mind is that they are CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT instructors... their job is to teach you the laws regarding CC not OC. In fact, the more CC'ers there are, the more job security they have. Plus, they don't want to rock the boat with law enforcement or the counties... teaching CPL classes are their bread and butter.
When I asked the question about open carry, my CPL instructor said something along the lines, "Sure, it's technically legal... but every city is different. And even if you're in a city where it is legal, you can expect to have yourself tackled from behind by an officer and you won't have any recourse against them because they have the right to defend the public and ask questions later." I knew it was horse-crap when he said it, but it wasn't the time nor place to argue.
While i understand were they are comeing from becuase of the job they do. No disrespect meant here to you or any LEO, but lots of people have tough and dangerous jobs. Again, I'm not trying to detract at all from the service officers do for the public (the good officers, at least) nor for the danger many of them place themselves in... but let's be objective about it. A cop in Birmingham probably has a safer job than a bill collector in Detroit. A cop in Troy probably has a safer job than an EMT in Flint. Thats point A. Point B is that nobody forces an officer into their career. They choose to accept the risk and the stress, so I do not excuse their behavior when they cave under the pressure. Just like the rest of us "pee-on civilians", if you can't handle the rigors of your career, then move on to a new one. Law enforcement personell are most certainly not the only people who put their lives on the line every day. Firefighters do it... EMT's do it... doctors do it... postal carriers do it... teachers do it... bankers do it... military members do it... liquor store clerks do it... heck, at some point I'm sure we ALL do it. The difference is that officers, most of the time, are not the ones that criminals are targeting. Civilians are murdered untold times more than officers. We deserve the right to defend ourselves in the same manner.
The whole "entitlement mentality" is a major part of the problem amongst rogue LEO's. Again, no disrespect to LEO's... but let's just face reality about the whole situation for a moment and call it what it is.