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    http://www.policeone.com/police-prod...rosecute-them/
    April 16, 2008


    Philly D.A. calls gun laws unconsitutional, won't prosecute them



    By Catherine Lucey
    The Philadelphia Daily News

    PHILADELPHIA — District Attorney Lynne Abraham yesterday told City Council that local gun legislation signed into law last week by Mayor Nutter is unconstitutional.

    She later explained that state law does not permit Philadelphia to enact local gun laws.
    "Until or unless the Supreme Court tells me otherwise, I'm obligated to follow the law the Supreme Court has annunciated," Abraham said.

    The state Supreme Court in a 1996 ruling declared that only the General Assembly has the power to regulate guns.

    But Nutter last week signed a package of five gun bills passed unanimously by City Council. The laws limit handgun purchases to one a month, make it a crime not to report lost or stolen guns in 48 hours, allow police to confiscate guns from people considered a danger to themselves or others and ban semiautomatic weapons with clips that hold more than 10 rounds.

    Nutter said that he planned to start enforcing the laws immediately, except for the one-gun-a-month bill, which will take six months.

    But Abraham was skeptical about the enforcement plans.

    "If there are wholesale arrests which turn out to be illegal, this city is going to get the pants sued off them," Abraham said.

    Asked later for details on how she would proceed if someone is charged under the laws, Abraham said that she wanted to talk with Nutter first.

    Nutter yesterday said that he hopes to convince Abraham that the laws are legit.

    "Much more conversation needs to take place about this," he said. "I think that these are legitimate pieces of legislation."

    Councilman Darrell Clarke, who co-sponsored the legislation, expressed frustration with Abraham's position.

    "The troubling thing is that we want to send from Philadelphia a unified message," he said. "Her posturing seems to give ammunition to our opponents."

    Later, asked about Abraham's remarks to Council, City Solicitor Shelley Smith said that her department determined that "there is a reasonable argument to be made that the laws . . ." do not conflict with state law.

    But she confirmed that the city could be sued over them.

    "The fact . . . is that our analysis suggests that these laws are defensible," Smith said. "If a jury were to find otherwise, there's no opinion that I can issue that would stop that from happening."

    Ultimately, she said, the issue will be decided by the state Supreme Court, which has the final say.

    "The Police Department will enforce the laws as they exist," Smith said. "The question of whether or not the district attorney will prosecute is a question for the district attorney."

    Also yesterday, the National Rifle Association took on the gun laws in Common Pleas Court.

    The NRA, along with two pro-gun groups, two gun shops and four individuals, yesterday requested a temporary restraining order to immediately stop the enforcement of the laws, while the court considers their request for a permanent injunction.

    Daily News reporter Chris Brennan contributed to this report.





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    I think the DA is due for some letters. Sounds like she actually knows the law and she should get some letters thanking her for that. I was very pleased to read:


    "If there are wholesale arrests which turn out to be illegal, this city is going to get the pants sued off them," Abraham said.

    DING! DING! DING!

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    [quote] April 16, 2008[quote]

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    Kaching! New motorcycles for everybody!

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    The DA of philly speaking out against unjust gun laws?

    How do I thank this person?!?! Backbone, AND sense? In a DA? WHAT?

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    I wonder what would happen if some citizens showed up at the next city council meeting to speak against these illegel gun ordinances while open carrying handguns with normal capacity (i.e., . 10 round) magazines?

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    "The Police Department will enforce the laws as they exist," Smith said. "The question of whether or not the district attorney will prosecute is a question for the district attorney."

    Translation: "The Politzei will follow the orders of the Gauleiter of Philadelphia (me) as I have determined the law in order to further intimidate and controlthe masses... regardless of the Constitution of the State of Pennsylvania or that of the United States."

    Mayor Nutter and this Smithwoman should be arrested for malefeasance in office and gross abuse of authority under color oflaw.Arrogance doesn't describe it.




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    Agent19 wrote:
    Councilman Darrell Clarke, who co-sponsored the legislation, expressed frustration with Abraham's position.

    "The troubling thing is that we want to send from Philadelphia a unified message," he said. "Her posturing seems to give ammunition to our opponents."
    Her "posturing"? She fulfills her legal duty to advise the city government about the constitutionality of an ordinance, and Clarke deems her to be "posturing" for his opponents?


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    Article is from April 2008. Any updates on this?

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    Curious if the Philadelphia branch of the FOP has chimed in on this to avoid individual cops from being sued? 'Goes back to the standard of following 'lawful' orders. 'Course 'many' cops are mindless drones who'll march off and do whatever their political masters tell 'em to, regardless of their 'oath' to support and defend the Constitution.

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