Ok, so what would happen here...

kaiheitai17 · May 10, 2009

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hsmith wrote:

HankT wrote:

Regarding the president being out and about in a public place....I wonder if we will ever have a president who carries a handgun? Either CC or OC, itwould be so cool.

I wonder if we have ever had a pres who carried while in office?

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No doubt we have HAD presidents that carried, but they have absolutely 0 need to do so once they have SS protection.

A few weeks ago, I was at a fund raising dinner for my delegate, Mark Cole. I was open carrying at the time and another gentleman struck up a conversation with me. This guy is retired Secret Service and told me a story (sea story?) about accompanying Ronald Reagan on a trip to the U.K.He saidthe Secret Service was only allowed to bring ONE handgun into the U.K. with which to protect the President. So he goes up stairs to Reagan's quarters (he was staying at the Ambassador's residence) to assume his duties. Shortly after which, Reagan opens the door and says, "I think this might come in handy for you" and hands the agent a revolver. Guy said that Reagan carried after he had been shot during Hinkley's assasination attempt on him.

Don't know how true this might be, but in my mind, I like to imagine President Reagan being like us in his attitude towards being responsible for our own defense.

AbNo · May 10, 2009

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What would I do? Continue eating. His arse can wait in line like everyone else.

Now, what would happen? I'd prefer not to think about it. :lol:

PT111 · May 10, 2009

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News reports made it sound like this was a spur-of-the-moment trip. I'm reasonably certain he wasn't channeling Michael Douglass (The American President), and that the SS had pretty thoroughly checked the place. It's rather clear that the news media was there, which every person in the place knew someone was coming in. And in this town, not every "celebrity" gets a news crew.

And we know that news reports are accurate. Anyone remember when Jimmy Carter got out and walked along the parade route in during his inaguration and the fit that the SS had? Do not think for a moment that when Obama and wife got out and walked during his parade that it was a spur of the moment deal. His schedule is planned down to the minute and SS is well ahead of any thing he is going to do.

MSC 45ACP · May 10, 2009

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It was pretty dumb to have POTUS and VPOTUS together, though. I wonder if Nancy is the one that suggested it? :idea:

Loneviking · May 10, 2009

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What would happen? If you're not caught, nothing! The SS can screw up like any other organization. During the presidential campaign, Sarah Palin gave a speech here in Carson City. For some reason, the SS didn't realize that Carson is a Republican stronghold and only brought in one metal detector for what turned out to be a huge crowd in a town with lots of CC permits. Just before the speech was to start, they just gave up, took down the detector and let everybody in. The SS spokesperson latersaid 'I doubt she's in much danger here'.

MSC 45ACP · May 10, 2009

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Loneviking wrote:

What would happen? If you're not caught, nothing! The SS can screw up like any other organization. During the presidential campaign, Sarah Palin gave a speech here in Carson City. For some reason, the SS didn't realize that Carson is a Republican stronghold and only brought in one metal detector for what turned out to be a huge crowd in a town with lots of CC permits. Just before the speech was to start, they just gave up, took down the detector and let everybody in. The SS spokesperson latersaid 'I doubt she's in much danger here'.

Of all the candidates that MIGHT carry, I think Sarah would be highest on the list... I wonder if she had any time to get some hunting time in while she was on the campaign trail?:celebrate

Grapeshot · May 10, 2009

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Tess wrote:

I was in a restaurant on Wilson Boulevard that day - as the surrounding streets got shut down and the motorcade passed by. When I found out why, I wondered too what would have happened.

News reports made it sound like this was a spur-of-the-moment trip. I'm reasonably certain he wasn't channeling Michael Douglass (The American President), and that the SS had pretty thoroughly checked the place. It's rather clear that the news media was there, which every person in the place knew someone was coming in. And in this town, not every "celebrity" gets a news crew.

So what would have happened if someone in there had been armed? I see possible scenarios -- you guess which is most likely:
- SS sees someone open carrying; they wait until he leaves and POTUS/VPOTUS come in.
- SS sees someone open carrying; they "persuade" him to leave and POTUS/VPOTUS come in -- open carrier never gets his gun back.
- SS sees someone open carrying; they choose another restaurant

And since I had been thinking about this, I'm thinking if this were to happen, except for the first scenario, we'd all know about it in short order.

More likely would be that OCer would be disarmed, detained, interrogated in back of a SS vehicle, perhaps turned over to local LE for whatever charges or further interrogation & never get his gun back.

Remember Mt. Jack in Pa. Hasn't been resolved yet.

Yata hey

Skeptic · May 13, 2009

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When I was in an establishment that the VP visited in an impromptu unannounced fashion, there was a secret service advance team who came in.

They talked to a number of people including the guy next to me (I didn't carry at the time) and told them in as non confrontational way as possible that the VP was going to be coming in and for them not to put their hands in their pocket or stand up abruptly or make other sudden movements "so that there would not be any misunderstandings"

Then they made a similar announcement immediately preceding the VPs arrival and asked that we all stay in our seats while the VP was moving through the place.

Granted, this was over a decade ago maybe closer to two now. Man I am old.

PT111 · May 13, 2009

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Manyyears agoseveral of us were going to a meeting downstairs in the Raleigh Civic Center. We were walkingdown the halllaughing and making a good bit of noise as group like that normally does and a man in a dark suit started walking toward us in a sreious manner. We quieted down and he just asked us to hold it down. At teh end of the hall there is a meeting room and Jessie Jackson was giving a speech. This was while he was running fpr president so I don't know if they were actual SS or private security. Either way I stood out in the lobby and listened to much of his speech The security guards didn't say anymore but I didn't make any sudden moves either.

You could tell they were serious but at the same time allowed us to act normal.

ed · May 13, 2009

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I just spoke to a friend "in the know" and asked him this specific question after I saw it posted here. He said that if you were legally carrying, that you would not be disarmed. He also cautioned that if your "side itched" you might just want to let it itch rather than move your hand close to your firearm and that you would be watched closely. I asked about concealed and he said that is what makes his job interesting...

paramedic70002 · May 13, 2009

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Can you imagine the bedlam if some desperado busted in and announced a robbery?

On another note, y'all remember the brouhaha about Bush II possibly being 'wired' during a debate because something rippled under his coat? Looked a lot like a shoulder holster strap to me, possibly in place over a ballistic vest.

MSC 45ACP · May 14, 2009

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Interesting to think about, but nearly impossible to carry out. You have NO CLUE about the layered security around POTUS. I was involved in a few security details in the OUTER rings of that security screen and we were NO WHERE near POTUS.

Dunno about Bush Jr. packin a shoulder rig, but I do know their clothes are MADE with kevlar built into them. They used to wear 3A vests, but going back to the Reagan days, they've been wearing lots of layers already built into the clothes. LOTS of firepower around them, too. You wanna see the latest technology in fully auto Room-Brooms? Just wait till POTUS is threatened and they appear magically from shoulder rigs and briefcases... SS has a pretty tough job and a few books have been written by agents over the years. Interesting reading.

DarkHorse · May 14, 2009

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Folks, I know this sounds like BS. But here it goes.

I have a friend, who is my best friend.A coworker of his is an ex secrect service agent. His career involved working with Clinton and for a period of time, Cheney. I have met him several times at social events.

I had my friend speak to him about this scenario. For some reason he got the impression the armed citizen has a vehicle near by, but that may have been by fault.

Also, given how things change this response I got may bedated, but here is a direct cut and paste from my question, emailed response from my friend (who may have gotten the names of the police databases wrong):

He said it would depend on if they needed to clear the restaurant immediately or not. If not, they would wait until the gun carrier departed the restaurant. However, if they needed to clear right away, he would be disarmed and escorted to his car where he would secure the firearm in the glove box ( unloading the ammo also). An agent would post near his vehicle and he would be allowed to finish his meal. However, at no time would he be allowed to touch the weapon on that property.

He mentioned that the gun carrier would also be run through NCIC>>CCIC and Whales for wants and warrants and other checks and a record would be made of it.

Please, no flames....just reporting what I was told.

wylde007 · May 14, 2009

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hunter45 wrote:

They would just say you were a threat to national security and would force you to leave. That would rule over any law.

In what case? Nothing legitimately rules over the Constitution.

...perhaps turned over to local LE for whatever charges...

Namely: none.

However, if they needed to clear right away, he would be disarmed and escorted to his car where he would secure the firearm in the glove box (unloading the ammo also).

Under what authority?

Namely: none.

MSC 45ACP · May 14, 2009

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That sounds about right. Not correct legally, but whatI would expect them to do... They tend to get a bit anally retentive when the safety of POTUS is concerned and probably feel the Constitution goes out the window at that point.

I don't agreee with the policy, but I can understand where they're coming from. They haven't "lost" a customer since JFK, and there have beeen a LOT of attempts. Most of which we (the public) will never hear about. Kinda like anti-terrorism... There have been a LOT of attempted acts in the US over the last 30 years. You only hear about the ones that don't get caught before they act.

PT111 · May 14, 2009

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If you didn't do what they said you probably would be charged with threatening the life of the POTUS. Now that may not stick and you may eventually be able to beat that wrap but I wouldn't want to go through it.

blt38 · May 15, 2009

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If you were CC and the establishment is in VA and has no ABC permit, how would the SS know if you were carrying? You would still be legal, wouldnt you?

darthmord · May 15, 2009

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blt38 wrote:

If you were CC and the establishment is in VA and has no ABC permit, how would the SS know if you were carrying? You would still be legal, wouldnt you?

They would have no way of knowing short of running your ID. If you don't surrender it, they'd have to take a picture and using facial recognition against it and hope to get an accurate report.

Thing is, in the time it would take to get any sort of actionable informationabout you, you would likely have finished your meal and left.

Besides, the gun owners I've seen aren't willing to put their greasy messy hands on their clean guns without just cause. I know that if I'm eating a burger, I'm not touching my firearm unless forced to by circumstances. I don't want the cleaning job to get food grease off my firearm.

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