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    So we had a Young Eagles day today where we introduce kids aged 8-17 to aviation. Our insurance rider demands all ground crew/escorts weare safety vests. Brooke decided to forego her GREEN safety vest gor her little pick up Orange vest that reads GUNS SAVE LIVES.

    It started a few conversations with the 35+ kids we flew AND their parents!


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    Good! Hopefully will get some leaning in right directioninstead offearing guns. :quirky
    Yes I carry a Bible and a Gun, your point.
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    Ed, That is so cool. I would like to donate my Aircraft Maintenance A&P time to whomever flys for this orginization if they need it.

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    joeamt wrote:
    Ed, That is so cool. I would like to donate my Aircraft Maintenance A&P time to whomever flys for this orginization if they need it.
    Thanks Joe.. that is very kind.. but we got it covered.
    Carry On.

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    I wish I could land a helicopter in my front yard. That's awesome.

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    That's quite the fashion statement!

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    Good show Ed. Brooke is fast becoming a true poster girl.

    One question though - Why no day glow pink vest?

    Yata hey

    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Why no day glow pink vest?
    I guess because they com in lots of 48 and it is hard enough to get people to come out and pick up litter in ORANGE vests.. if I made them pink I know of only a few that would come.
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    ed wrote:
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    Why no day glow pink vest?
    I guess because they com in lots of 48 and it is hard enough to get people to come out and pick up litter in ORANGE vests.. if I made them pink I know of only a few that would come.
    Pink for the females and orange for the guys!

    Helps to make the distinction for those that need the help.

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    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Pink for the females and orange for the guys!

    Helps to make the distinction for those that need the help.
    In interest of tolerance and non-discrimination, the color choice might not fall exactly along that dividing line.

    I still think you'd be hard-pressed to get anywhere close to 48 folks who would want to wear a pink vest.

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    TexasNative wrote:
    I still think you'd be hard-pressed to get anywhere close to 48 folks who would want to wear a pink vest.

    ~ Boyd
    It is hard to get 20+ folks to come out no matter what they are wearing!
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    Guns do not do anything. They are tools and it is the one that controls them that can ether make them a force for evil or for good.

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    thnycav wrote:
    Guns do not do anything. They are tools and it is the one that controls them that can ether make them a force for evil or for good.
    The condition of not having a gun can cost lives; whereas having a gun can save lives.

    It is the for "want of a nail a kingdom was lost" parable.

    Q.E.D. Guns Save Lives

    VCDL and others have embraced and promoted this slogan on buttons, hats & t-shirts at many diverse events with great success.

    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training. Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    thnycav wrote:
    Guns do not do anything. They are tools and it is the one that controls them that can ether make them a force for evil or for good.
    The condition of not having a gun can cost lives; whereas having a gun can save lives.

    It is the for "want of a nail a kingdom was lost" parable.

    Q.E.D. Guns Save Lives

    VCDL and others have embraced and promoted this slogan on buttons, hats & t-shirts at many diverse events with great success.

    Yata hey
    What about the, "owning a gun makes you armed no more than having a guitar makes you a musician," parable?

    The condition of walking around in one's own little world is what costs lives. One can take out an active shooter (as an example) with a tackle as easily as they can do the same with a wicked, badassed AR-15. IMHO, shooting the pimple-faced ****** in the face, repeatedly is going to be more fun and satisfying, but now I'm straying off my train of thought.

    The brain is the final weapon, everything else is just a tool.
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    I really disgree with this one! That means that we can have any yahoo running around with a gun with out the proper training. This really scares the hell out of me. Just my two-cents!
    Quote Originally Posted by KansasMustang View Post
    Joe Schmedlap out there with a loaded weapon thinking he's going to deter crime and he's not even trained to fire his weapon safely just kinda makes my hair on the back of my neck stand up.

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    thnycav wrote:
    Guns do not do anything. They are tools and it is the one that controls them that can ether make them a force for evil or for good.
    Well, it turns out that "Good people frequently use guns for a variety of good uses, including the saving of lives"would not fit on the VCDL buttons & stickers.





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    What about armed citizens save lives. That will fit. Beyond that why does everything need to be put on a button or bumper sticker?

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    catass wrote:
    Grapeshot wrote:
    thnycav wrote:
    Guns do not do anything. They are tools and it is the one that controls them that can ether make them a force for evil or for good.
    The condition of not having a gun can cost lives; whereas having a gun can save lives.

    It is the for "want of a nail a kingdom was lost" parable.

    Q.E.D. Guns Save Lives

    VCDL and others have embraced and promoted this slogan on buttons, hats & t-shirts at many diverse events with great success.

    Yata hey
    What about the, "owning a gun makes you armed no more than having a guitar makes you a musician," parable?

    The condition of walking around in one's own little world is what costs lives. One can take out an active shooter (as an example) with a tackle as easily as they can do the same with a wicked, badassed AR-15. IMHO, shooting the pimple-faced @#$%er in the face, repeatedly is going to be more fun and satisfying, but now I'm straying off my train of thought.

    The brain is the final weapon, everything else is just a tool.
    A firearm is the most effective self defense tool if you find yourself in an unavoidable situation. You get more than one shot unlike a taser, and it has more effect than pepper spray, and it's louder than yelling at a bad guy to stop trying to kill/rape me.

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    Think about it. "Guns do not kill people do" as we are known to tell theantgun crowd.So if you use the same logic guns do not save lives people do. You can not have it both ways.

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    thnycav wrote:
    Think about it. "Guns do not kill people do" as we are known to tell theantgun crowd.So if you use the same logic guns do not save lives people do. You can not have it both ways.
    Do seatbelts not save lives?

    To kill someone is an action taken by a human. To "save a life" is to prevent something from happening.

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    nova wrote:
    Do seatbelts not save lives?
    Only when properly operated by their wearers.

    For my purposes, that right there is QED.
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    Well to save lives sometimes you do have to take lives. IE you shot and kill the bad guy.

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    thnycav wrote:
    Think about it. "Guns do not kill people do" as we are known to tell theantgun crowd.So if you use the same logic guns do not save lives people do. You can not have it both ways.
    Well, actually, it's the bullet that kills. Propelled by the mechanism of the gun, initiated by the shooter.

    If you use the gun to prevent a bad guy from acting, but do not fire, it is the presence of the gun that saved the life, right?
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    Tess wrote:
    thnycav wrote:
    Think about it. "Guns do not kill people do" as we are known to tell theantgun crowd.So if you use the same logic guns do not save lives people do. You can not have it both ways.
    Well, actually, it's the bullet that kills. Propelled by the mechanism of the gun, initiated by the shooter.

    If you use the gun to prevent a bad guy from acting, but do not fire, it is the presence of the gun that saved the life, right?
    Actually, the bullet just open the skin. It's the muzzle flash that kills!
    (Not my idea. It's from Karamojo Bell's notes)


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    thnycav wrote:
    You can not have it both ways.
    I can't have it MY way? Whaddya mean this ain't BURGER KING????
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    Just out of curiosity, what's your criteria for duck/no duck when you approach a hot helo?

    Maybe it's overkill, but we always go low when we are hot-loading a patient. I figure a little bending prevents a big head ache... cost-effective preventive action.
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