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    So I was informed from a member that there was .40 ammo aplenty at the Glenwood Ave. and Briar Creek Walmart locations. I decide to head to these locations after the OC dinner at Cici's.

    At 9:00pm, I arrived at the Glenwood store and attempted to purchase 500 rounds (10 boxes) of Blazer. They had about 20 boxes, so I was going to leave some for others. The guy informed me I could only have 6 boxes. I asked why, as there was no signage indicating this.
    He tells me that the federal government has started regulating sales to only 6/person/day. He said walmart had no say in the matter, and he wouldn't care if I bought all of it, but it was against the law, and they are cracking down on it. He said he got a memo about it on Wednesday.
    I laugh, buy my 6 boxes, and leave. Of course, the door alarm rings as I am leaving and two 'security' stop me and demand to see my receipt. I comply, as I don't feel like making a scene.
    No real problems, just kind of humorous.

    I then procede to the Briar Creek location, and arrive about 9:40pm.
    I walk to the sporting goods, and spend 15 minutes looking for the sales rep for the department.
    The sales guy finaly shows up, and I tell him I would like to buy some of the Blazer .40. The rest goes something like this (paraphrase and memory):
    Him: You're carrying a firearm
    Me: Yes sir, I am.
    Him: I'm not comfortable selling you ammo while you have a gun
    Me: I would just like to buy the ammo and I will be on my way
    Him: I'm going to call a manager, and they can sell it to you if they want.
    Me: That's fine, but what makes you uncomfortable with selling me ammo?
    Him: There are lots of people in the store, and I don't have to sell it to you if I don't feel comfortable. The manager can't override my descission either. If I don't feel comfortable selling you ammo, then we won't.
    He then calls the manager: There is a guy here who wants to buy ammo, but he has a gun. I don't feel comfortable selling it to him, but you can if you want. You don't have to though, because he didn't get it checked at the door.
    Me: What? I don't have to get my firearm checked at the door.
    Him: Walmart policy says you are supposed to have your gun checked at the door and they are supposed to escort you while you do your business.

    At this point I'm going to paraphrase so I don't type all night.
    He says walmart policy is that firearms are to be checked at the door, or left in the vehicle. I asked him if he would of sold me ammo if I was CC, since he wouldn't know that I had a gun. He didn't have an answer, just repeated supposed walmart policy.

    The assistant manager (AM) shows up now. Sales guy (SG)
    At this point it is 10:10

    AM: Do you have a liscence for that?
    Me: NC is an open carry state that does not require a permit to carry a firearm openly, but I do in fact have a permit to carry.
    AM: I need to see it or we can't sell you ammo.
    Me: You do not need to see it, and I would just like to puchase some ammo and I will leave.
    SG: I already told him that we don't have to sell him ammo if we don't feel comfortable.
    AM: Did you start talking to him before 10pm?
    SG: yes
    AM: We wouldn't sell ammo after 10pm no matter what because it is agains policy, but because you were here before 10, we can sell you ammo. You are supposed to check your gun at the door acording to policy though. We had a guy bring a loaded rifle in here a while ago.
    Me: There is no policy stating that you have to check your firearm, or be escorted through the store.
    Random Guy: (pulls out CC permit) This says the state allows him to carry a weapon. He can buy ammo if he wants to.
    Me: (at this point I show my CHP to appease SG and AM) See I have one of those too, and I just want to buy some ammo.
    AM: We don't have to sell you ammo, and if SG doesn't feel comfortable then we won't.
    SG: You can sell him ammo, I won't though.

    Paraphrase.
    They tell me policy is that they will never sell ammo after ten, and they will do this just because I was there before ten rolled around. The SG says that corporate policy is that he doesn't have to sell me ammo, and that if he said no, the no one in the store would sell me ammo. I told him corporate could also fire him. He told me that he had to take tests to work there and he knew the policy, and I was wrong.
    The AM insisted that he escort me out of the store with the ammo, and that it was his right, and policy. I told him he can follow me where ever he wants to, but it is a waste of his time. Of course, he also insisted on carrying the ammo for me till the door. Once at the door the AM says the door 'security' may need to see my receipt and check the bag (funny since he just carried it to the door for me). I reply with, actually, I paid for this and it is my property and I don't have to show him anything. AM dissagrees, but I stop him and tell him that is an arguement for a later visit, and tell him to have a good night as I walk out the door; at 10:35.

    A little irritated, so I'm going to go back tomorrow night to buy more ammo.

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    did they have any 9mm left at the one at brier creek or had they been cleaned out?

    I think i may go get some more shotgun ammunition tomorrow, or hell, just pick up 1 box of blazer brass 40 at each, since i was in both, and bought 9mm at brier creek at 12 gauge ammo at Glenwood today. Wonder what gun I should OC.

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    no 9mm left.
    A good bit of .40, 100 round .22, some .223, plenty of shotgun, one box of .44 and .357 sig at each

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    yeah, I have plenty of sig, since I never shoot it, don't own a 44, and don't buy anything but the cheap 500 packs of 22 for my pistol.

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    I have had experiences at walmart as well... you can check my post out here:
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum41/24378.html

    As for the "you have to check your gun at the door and be escorted" policy, they are misunderstanding an old walmart policy that was in effect when they used to sell guns. If you were purchasing a rifle at walmart they would escort you from sporting goods to the exit after your purchase. And if you were bringing that weapon back (for like a refund or exchange...I can't remember which, but you could only do one: refund or exchange) you had to have them chck it at the door and be escorted to customer service.

    As for the 10:00 policy there was another thread on here about a similar thing and I believe that person followed up with corporate and said there was no such policy.

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    ^ I actually informed them of the history of the escort policy, and how it used to work.
    They told me that I must not be accurately informed on policy and that they knew what it was.

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    Hi. There IS NO POLICY AGAINST ammo sales at any specific time of day or night.

    I had this "no ammo sales from 10pm-7am" issue at my local Wal-Mart in Mebane, NC about 7 weeks ago when I came in for ammo around midnight. I don't know why there are so many Wal-Marts that have workers who enact this "policy", but there IS NO POLICY against ammo sales past 10pm, at ANY Wal-Mart in the U.S. After I was refused ammo by the night manager on duty, I contacted corporate Wal-Mart in Bentonville, Arkansas the next day (1-800-WAL-MART). The lady I spoke with CONFIRMED that there is NO POLICY against ammo sales past 10pm, but that most Wal-Mart's send their sporting goods clerk home at that time (the person who holds the keys to the ammo cabinet throughout the day). After this sporting goods clerk has gone home, a manager or CSS (cashier sales supervisor) or other person with "key access" must take a couple of minutes to go out of their way and walk to the sporting goods dept, get your ammo, and walk it back up to the front register (as the sporting goods register cannot be used at this time). Once again, there is NO POLICY PERIOD against ammo sales at any specific time of the day or night. If there WAS a policy against ammo sales, as the lady at Corporate Wal-Mart brought up, there would be a prompt once their computer clocks hit 10:00pm that would prevent the ammo from even being scanned into the computer, just like alcoholic beverages once the clock hits 2:00AM. Your cashier can't scan alcohol after 2:00AM no matter how badly they want to, because of Wal-Mart's policy (of course it's their policy, as it is the law) against selling after 2:00AM.

    Corporate Wal-Mart contacted the store manager (the top dawg), Matt Adams, and I contacted him personally myself. He apologized to me for having his staff "improperly trained", and vowed that I would NEVER have that problem again. Since then, I have purchased ammo three different times from there at or around midnight each time (the usual time that I make it over there after work), and had three different people (two different night managers, and one CSS) retrieve the ammo for me. Kevin (one of the night managers) eventually apologized to me as he was getting my ammo for giving me a hard time about it that last time, and said that was just how he had got trained. I also made sure to educate the night greeter woman, Darlene, who is ALWAYS there, about Wal-Mart's "new" ammo policy (by showing her the boxes of Blazer Brass 9mm within my bag as I left), as she was originally the first one to ever tell me that there are "no sales after 10pm".

    I strongly encourage those of you who shop late to make sure your local Wal-Mart is being educated on this "policy" that so many of them are making up. I guess many of them "assume" that since the register is closed in sporting goods at 10pm, that ammo can't be sold after that. But I bet if you asked to buy a fancy scope, or a pocket knife (both of which are also locked in cabinets) they wouldn't think twice about selling it to you. It's sort of like them telling you that you can't buy mulch, or topsoil, because the Gardening clerk has gone home.

    If you have to contact corporate and report your local Wal-Mart, DO IT. The number is 1-800-WAL-MART. Also find out who the store manager is, and contact them. This seems to be a problem for quite a few folks, as many people have posted about this in the past. I seem to be the first one on this forum who has challenged this "policy" without taking no for an answer, and the results have turned out swell.

    Take care,
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    So, I went back this morning.

    Glenwood:
    The lady who was supposed to be working the counter was off flirting with some other sales guy, and wasn't responding to the pages. An assistant manager told me this as he rung me up. As this was going on a stocking person, the AM, and I were talking about ammo sales. The stocker apparently has a bunch of guns and was asking me questions about OC, since he didn't have a permit. A random guy walks up and starts asking about OC, and if I ever get crap for it. He has a CHP. The AM also told me there is no limit on ammo sales at this walmart, buy what you want. I purchased 400 rounds, and there are 200 (4 boxes) left.


    Briarcreek:
    Takes a few minutes to find a person to sell me ammo, and then two people (employees) walk up. The first lady tells me her family bought her a S&W .40 pistol for mothers day and she needs ammo too. She knows nothing about guns, and I tell her about the difference between JHP and FMJ. The second lady is shocked that you have to practice with bullets. She thought you practiced with blanks. They had a 6 box limit, and I purchased my 300 rounds and left. No problems with the fact that I was OCing.

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    JDriver, you're a patient guy.

    They put you through the ringer



    JDriver1.8t wrote:
    The second lady is shocked that you have to practice with bullets. She thought you practiced with blanks.
    That's hilarious. But not that illogical, really.



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    Glenwood Walmart: 9 pm: Older gentleman wokring the area did not comment on my OC, we talked guns and ammo for a while, I asked him and he told me there was no ammo limit. They had restocked some things with a truck that came in tonight. I got the one box of 9mm BB they had left, and a Remington UMC 100 RD 45 ACP hollow point pack. They also had the Federal 100 round 223 packs back in stock. Thanked him, paid, took my ammo in my own hands, and walked out to my truck.

    BrierCreek: 9:30 PM: When I arrived at sporting goods, another guy was there, also looking for 40. They still have LOTS of BB, and the WWB 100 packs. The guy from automotive came by, siad he would be back with us, walked off to help a tire customer. The gentleman asked me about OC, as he stated that he had moved here form new jersey, and had been glad to find he was able to apply for a CCHP, and that he was 50 days in on his wait for his. We talked ammo, guns, how long you should leave magazines loaded, and open carry laws and CC laws for 5-10 minutes.

    An associate, Robin F, came by, saw us waiting, and went and got the keys from the automotive guy to sell to us. He, upon seeing my gun, called the manager to tell him that 'there is a guy here with a concealed weapon buying ammo, so you gotta walk him to the door'. He then rang up the other gentleman who was buying ammunition. I was limited to 6 boxes, and told that it was "corporate policy to reduce complaints about no ammo in stock" by Robin. He also asked me why I felt I needed to carry, asked me if I had a clip int he gun while he was talking on the phone, and in general was a little tweaked by the gun. While we waited for the Asst manager to show up, he told me he was 'not comfortable with selling to anyone with a gun', that he 'could refuse to sell anything to anyone, and the store cannot make him', that 'he moved down form new yaork, and its different there', and that 'walmart corporate policy is that all guns must be checked by the door guy and if you have a gun of any type all ammo must be escorted out'. I noted that I OC in other walmarts and have 0 issue, he stated he had worked there for 8 years, and knew the policy much better than me.

    The Asst manager, EC, came by after helping some other customers on the floor, had Robin ring me up, and he walked the ammo in a cart to the door, and handed it to me just inside of the inner doors. I did not say anything to him or argue once he arrived. He was polite, and stated several times 'we are trying to get this issue worked out', and apologized multiple times for the trouble, and thanked me both for waiting for him in order to get the ammo, and for my time spent walking out with him, and for choosing to shop with them.

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    Still more reasons to avoid those loathesome Wallyworlds.

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    If he is afraid of a law abiding citizen who clearly has nothing to hide while shopping in Wal-Mart, he would be scared to his death if he took a brief stroll through West Philadelphia in the neighborhood that I was born in..

    Man I am glad that my mother got me out of there.

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    old dog wrote:
    Still more reasons to avoid those loathesome Wallyworlds.
    Absolutely!

    Wal-Mart MUST be crushed!



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    I am in the Brier Creek store about twice a week OC and buy ammo. Never a problem with buying and I have never been escorted out.

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    If they must escort you out with the ammo, just make sure that ammo is the FIRST thing you buy. Make the Assistant Manager follow you around the entire store while you do your shopping. Spend at least an hour or two looking at stuff, trying on a few pair of jeans and such like.

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    The goal is to be FRIENDS with the asst manager, and to get the problem associates transfered or retrained. The manager or Asst manager can ask you to leave or have you tresspassed jsut for the hell of it, it ISprivate property. We mant management types to learn to likeus, and for themto see us as upstanding citizens who are easy to get along with. If we seem resonable, and the person on the floor who is afraid of guns seems hysterical all the time over it, the manager may come to be on our side. Educate managers, do nto antagonize them.

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    I just went to the Walmart in Jacksonville and they said they would not sell ammo after 9pm. I just found this forum. Tomorrow I am going to purposely going to go after 9pm again to challenge this.

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    Corporate policy does not have that rule. The 6 box rule some are using is a optional one, corporate sent out signs they could post if they would rather make multiple folks semi happy vs 1-2 very happy. From 8-10 pm till 6-8 am, the Sporting goods area in MOST walmart stores does NOT have a sales person on the floor. You may find some folks doing restock work, but thats about it. I was in one tonight, and got ammo at 10:15. Manager/asst manager can get the keys from the lockbox/safe, and then can ring you up right there at sporting goods, or walk you and the ammo to an open register. I bought up 10 boxes of 9mm blazer, and some 12 guage slugs and buckshot.

    Most of this issue depends on the manager in charge at night. If you want ammo and there is nobody int he area, ask them to page the manager, not just a sales guy.
    Another issue is, do not ask "Will you / can you sell me some ammo?" Ask "Will you unlock the case so I may purchase some ammunition?" Policy says that, unless a local store has some other policy in effect, walmart stores sell stuff on the floor 24/7, and sell you as much as you can pay for.

    Remember, educate the managers you see, make them your friends. I try to write down or remember names of those who were easy to deal with and those who were not, that way if I have issues more than once, I can call or email corporate, or come in during the day and talk to the 'real' manager for the branch. This leads to managers who will work with us getting atta boys/pats on the back form higher, and those who are a dick to law abiding gun owners at night or in the day get a slap down or a 'obey policy or leave' letter.

    The goal is to be able to walk into ANY place someday with a gun on our side, not draw a second glance, and to always be 'that nice guy/girl who was so polite and always comes in' to those who work with us. This does not preclude us being though of as 'That f'ing crazy redneck with the gun who I kicked out of the store' by those who do NOT want to work with us.

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    Excellent points Kyle.

    And Lawmaker, keep us updated with what happens at your local Wal-Mart! If you must, contact corporate, and also contact THE store manager at that Wal-Mart. Get this corrected! Also though, make certain they HAVE your ammo in stock.

    I am very glad to see that these Wal-Mart thread issues are catching on!

    Brandon

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    Lawmaker wrote:
    I just went to the Walmart in Jacksonville and they said they would not sell ammo after 9pm. I just found this forum. Tomorrow I am going to purposely going to go after 9pm again to challenge this.
    Which Walmart was this?

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    Walmart on 17. Thursday they had 6 boxes of 9mm and 4 boxes of 45.
    Went to Dicks yesterday and they only have 40.
    Went back to Walmart on 17 at 10pm. There was someone behind the counter but had nothing left. Cleaned out. They also did not have any ammo at all on the shipment that night. I will try again later.

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    I am a huge proponent of Open Carry and Conceal Carry. I don't believe carrying is just a right, but rather I believe it is a responsibility. However, just as most members out here can recite code and judicial rulings on carrying, we also need to know the basic laws of the Uniform Commercial Code and the respective judicial rulings and interpretations.

    The courts have ruled that a price tag in a retail establishment is an open invitation for an offer. You see a price tag on an item, you go to the register, and you are effectively placing an offer to buy the item at the price on the price tag. You pay your money, or "consideration", and the sales contract is complete. Just because a retail establishment is in business doesn't mean it has to sell anything. It doesn't matter how much, what time it is or anything. Retail establishments have the right to refuse sales to anyone, at any time, or even restrict quantity. The only exception is if the denied party can prove discrimination of a protected class.

    Just as we have the right to carry openly, they (the retailers) have the right to deny sale or even ask us to leave their property.

    We're in a time of ammunition shortages. Our goal is to buy ammunition for practice ( or to hoard for those who may be doing so) Why antagonize the moment?

    If there is a corporate policy to limit sales, then why make a sales clerk feel uncomfortable? Chances are they may forget the policy if you're not there making them feel uncomfortable.

    What was the purpose of the visit? Was it to buy ammo or to raise the visibility of the right to openly carry? And did you achieve your purpose?

    The only real recourse we have is to not shop at those retail establishments, take our dollars elsewhere. But then, if they are the only one within a 300 mile radius with what you need, i.e. ammo, what are you really achieving?



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    Mungo wrote:
    I am a huge proponent of Open Carry and Conceal Carry. I don't believe carrying is just a right, but rather I believe it is a responsibility. However, just as most members out here can recite code and judicial rulings on carrying, we also need to know the basic laws of the Uniform Commercial Code and the respective judicial rulings and interpretations.

    The courts have ruled that a price tag in a retail establishment is an open invitation for an offer. You see a price tag on an item, you go to the register, and you are effectively placing an offer to buy the item at the price on the price tag. You pay your money, or "consideration", and the sales contract is complete. Just because a retail establishment is in business doesn't mean it has to sell anything. It doesn't matter how much, what time it is or anything. Retail establishments have the right to refuse sales to anyone, at any time, or even restrict quantity. The only exception is if the denied party can prove discrimination of a protected class.

    Just as we have the right to carry openly, they (the retailers) have the right to deny sale or even ask us to leave their property.

    We're in a time of ammunition shortages. Our goal is to buy ammunition for practice ( or to hoard for those who may be doing so) Why antagonize the moment?

    If there is a corporate policy to limit sales, then why make a sales clerk feel uncomfortable? Chances are they may forget the policy if you're not there making them feel uncomfortable.

    What was the purpose of the visit? Was it to buy ammo or to raise the visibility of the right to openly carry? And did you achieve your purpose?

    The only real recourse we have is to not shop at those retail establishments, take our dollars elsewhere. But then, if they are the only one within a 300 mile radius with what you need, i.e. ammo, what are you really achieving?

    Um, you must not have read this posting correctly. Let me help you out:

    First of all, no one is trying to "antagonize the moment". There are many of us who just want to have ammunition for our firearms, just as the next Joe Smith who comes along shopping after us does. And as you said, there is an ammunition shortage at this time. Everybody wants ammunition, and my money is just as valuable to Wal-Mart as yours or Joe Smith's or Bob Johnson's or anyone else's.

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    I have no problem with Wal-Mart having their own policies. They are their own company, and they can create whatever sales limits and rules that they choose to. If Wal-Mart doesn't want to sell items to me at any certain time, then so be it. But, Wal-Mart doesn't have a policy against selling me ammunition at ANY time of day or night. Therefore, if I want to buy ammunition at any time of day or night, I should be able to. I should not be restricted from doing so just because one or two Wal-Mart employees or managers who work the graveyard shift making $8.00 an hour decide that they are too lazy to walk to sporting goods and open up a locked case for me. By doing this, they do not represent Wal-Mart as a company, but rather they merely represent themselves as lazy (or uneducated) individuals.

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    Another reason why this problem becomes personal to me is because of my schedule. I work a FULL-TIME job to support myself, and I am also a FULL-TIME college student (even during the summer). I do not have "days off". On the days that I am at my job, I am there til at least 11pm. On the days that I am in school, I begin early and finish between 9:35pm-10:00pm. And some days I go to school and then straight to my job in the same day. Once again, I do NOT have "days off". Having an entire day of school is a "day off" of work for me. So, the chances that I have to go grocery shopping and "Wal-Mart shopping" are generally ALWAYS late at night, either after a long day of school or after a long day of work, or both. This is the time that I have to buy ammo, when I am in need of buying it (and of course when it is available). I am thankful that Wal-Mart does NOT have some sort of policy against selling ammo to people who shop late.

    So, basically your entire post was bogus. Would you like to try again?

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    What part of what I said was inaccurate?

    School all day and working all night is tough. I've been there before. NC State by Day, UPS by night. And even worse, it was back in the day before they had ATMs and when banks were only open 9-5 and they closed from 2-3 to count the tills. Back when "Blue Laws" prevented stores from opening on Sunday. Back when the only store open 24 hours was the 7-11 on the corner. And as a matter of fact, it was back when you had to show a driver's license and sign a register for handgun ammo when it was sold.

    My point was two things, when I carry openly, I fully expect confrontation, ignorance, discrimination, and a general hassle. Also, arguing with an $8hr employee is about as futile as arguing with a three year old.

    I believe sometimes it's better to back out of the moment and take the inconsistency of hours of sale, or quantity sold up with higher mangement


    I just went through something similar with the purchase of a firearm. One of the local dealers had a rare firearm that I waited about 6 months to purchase. At the time of the sale, they had a Firearms Dealers Association sales form that specifically stated on there that the clerk could discriminate against me based on something as irrelevant as the way I was dressed. A rare fiream, just like a shortage in ammo, sort of takes away your barganing chips when negotiating the sale. I feel a $8/hr clerk behind a gun sales counter doesn't have the appropriate degree and experience to determine my mental status, AND I beleive all citizens deserve the 2nd amendment regardless of how they may happen to dress. But then and thre wasn't the time for this discussion.

    That was my point, and again, I stand behind everything I said. What part was inaccurate?


    Edited to add this:

    Ammunition is not defined as a self service item. The sale of the product requires it be kept under lock and key. It requires someone to be in possession of this key at all times. Which means that during a time of limited staffing, like at night, it's easy to understand the inability of a limited staff to sale all of it's non-self service goods.

    Not condoning their actions at all. I loathe Wal-mart and will only shop there if I know they have ammo.

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    I was refused ammo purchase because it was after 9pm. I was not OC. I suppose no one wanted to get the key. Now I know to get a manager. The thing that burns me that when I did go back during the day the ammo that I did see that night was gone. All of it. So if the employee that I talked to at the time did their job by either getting the key or contacting a manager I would have my ammo and they would have my money. Both parties would be happy.

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