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    Hopefully more info will come soon. But no one died.

    http://www.kxly.com/global/story.asp?s=10337189

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    SPOKANE -- An overnight shooting lands one man in the hospital with multiple gun shot wounds and a normally quiet neighborhood with many unanswered questions.

    Police say a Saturday night house party in the 2500 block of W. Courtland got a little heated when one of the party's patrons got in a yelling match with the home's owner and his girlfriend.

    Dieter Meyer says he was hosting a barbecue for friends Saturday night when things got out of control.

    "One of the people invited a stranger, someone who had never been to the house before," said Meyer.

    According to Meyer, the stranger became belligerent, pulled out a knife and threatened Meyer's girlfriend on the front steps of his home. Meyer said he was frightened for both his and his girlfriend's welfare.

    Meyer, who holds a concealed weapons permit and always carries his gun, grabbed it and fired several shots at the man.

    "I heard three loud bangs," said neighbor Neal Drury. "I ran and looked out the window."

    Nearly every house on the block heard the shots.

    "It's kind of scary because we live in a quiet, nice neighborhood," said Drury.

    Meyer says he's sorry he disrupted the neighborhood, but he's glad he had a gun to defend himself.

    "It was self defense," said Meyer. "It probably saved someone's life, it could have very well saved someone's life."

    Spokane Police Major Crimes Unit is still investigating the shooting. Police have still not released the name of the victim, they say he is stable condition at a local hospital. "

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    "the victim"...do you think that's the girlfriend the paper is referring to?

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    David.Car wrote:

    "It was self defense," said Meyer. "It probably saved someone's life, it could have very well saved someone's life."


    This line bothers me. IF he really said this, then how can we be sure it was a necessary shoot. If he isn't sure if it saved a life, then was he justified?

    Don't get me wrong, probably another moron off the streets for a while because of this, but we have to be sure we are saving a life when we pull the trigger.


    I'll be interested in reading more on this as it comes out.
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    j2l3 wrote:
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    "It was self defense," said Meyer. "It probably saved someone's life, it could have very well saved someone's life."


    This line bothers me. IF he really said this, then how can we be sure it was a necessary shoot. If he isn't sure if it saved a life, then was he justified?

    Don't get me wrong, probably another moron off the streets for a while because of this, but we have to be sure we are saving a life when we pull the trigger.
    OTOH, you have no idea whether the girlfriend would have actually died from this attack. Maybe the guy would have run away, maybe he would have stabbed her but non-fatally. You can never know if you are actually saving a life, but you can weigh the probabilities. If someone is threatening my girlfriend with a knife, I am going to shoot him. I think he was absolutely justified and you are parsing his words way to carefully.

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    j2l3 wrote:
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    "It was self defense," said Meyer. "It probably saved someone's life, it could have very well saved someone's life."


    This line bothers me. IF he really said this, then how can we be sure it was a necessary shoot. If he isn't sure if it saved a life, then was he justified?

    Don't get me wrong, probably another moron off the streets for a while because of this, but we have to be sure we are saving a life when we pull the trigger.


    I'll be interested in reading more on this as it comes out.
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    If it was self defense then it DID savesomeones life.

    Probably or could have is a poor choice of words.



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    heresolong wrote:
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    David.Car wrote:

    "It was self defense," said Meyer. "It probably saved someone's life, it could have very well saved someone's life."


    This line bothers me. IF he really said this, then how can we be sure it was a necessary shoot. If he isn't sure if it saved a life, then was he justified?

    Don't get me wrong, probably another moron off the streets for a while because of this, but we have to be sure we are saving a life when we pull the trigger.
    OTOH, you have no idea whether the girlfriend would have actually died from this attack. Maybe the guy would have run away, maybe he would have stabbed her but non-fatally. You can never know if you are actually saving a life, but you can weigh the probabilities. If someone is threatening my girlfriend with a knife, I am going to shoot him. I think he was absolutely justified and you are parsing his words way to carefully.
    No argument there. My point is, if he continues to use the words "probably" and "could have", the prosecutor is going to go after that and he will have a really hard time defending it. We have to be sure, and we have to come across to the public as being sure.
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    j2l3 wrote:
    heresolong wrote:
    j2l3 wrote:
    David.Car wrote:

    "It was self defense," said Meyer. "It probably saved someone's life, it could have very well saved someone's life."


    This line bothers me. IF he really said this, then how can we be sure it was a necessary shoot. If he isn't sure if it saved a life, then was he justified?

    Don't get me wrong, probably another moron off the streets for a while because of this, but we have to be sure we are saving a life when we pull the trigger.
    OTOH, you have no idea whether the girlfriend would have actually died from this attack. Maybe the guy would have run away, maybe he would have stabbed her but non-fatally. You can never know if you are actually saving a life, but you can weigh the probabilities. If someone is threatening my girlfriend with a knife, I am going to shoot him. I think he was absolutely justified and you are parsing his words way to carefully.
    No argument there. My point is, if he continues to use the words "probably" and "could have", the prosecutor is going to go after that and he will have a really hard time defending it. We have to be sure, and we have to come across to the public as being sure.
    My friend, this guy just SHOT someone who was threatening a loved one (I'm assuming at least:quirky) with a deadly weapon! Kindly pardon him if he's slightly stressed out and not quite thinking 100% when the adrenaline's just worn off and some pushy anti-gun reporter is harassing him for a quote.

    Maybe you're the type who can justifiably use deadly force to protect yourself or a loved one and then rattle off a statesman's speech about the incident to the press & police. If you are, then good on you & we need more like you.

    Personally, if I ever had to use my gun in defense of someone, I'd be pretty damn freaked out right after.
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    I have no argument with him. Nor with you, I am at a loss as to why you are taking my comments so personally.

    He is calm enough to talk to the press, he needs to be careful. That's all I'm saying. The prosecutor WILL use anything he says. THEY will not care what his state of mind was when he said it.

    My comments are not intended as a slam on him or anyone else. They are to help us all learn from the situation.
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    Speaking to the press was a mistake. The most he should have said was "it was self defense." Meyer has left himself wide open to prosecution and a civil lawsuit with his comment. Lesson learned -- shut up and let your lawyer do the talking.

    That said, to me it is a good shoot if the assailant was within 21 feet and brandishing a knife. I might have drawn and ordered him to drop the knife, but as far as the assailant being a lethal threat, if it went down as reported it sounds like a good SD shoot.

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    Seems to me that the police didnt feel it was a bad shoot or they would have made an immediate arrest. I suspect the prosecuter will not charge as losing a self defense case costs the state alot of money...of course I concede that many self defense "injustices" have occurred. I hope all the facts will reveal it was self defense.

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    carhark wrote:
    "the victim"...do you think that's the girlfriend the paper is referring to?
    Yeah must be...

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    Charles Paul Lincoln wrote:
    Speaking to the press was a mistake. The most he should have said was "it was self defense." Meyer has left himself wide open to prosecution and a civil lawsuit with his comment. Lesson learned -- shut up and let your lawyer do the talking.

    That said, to me it is a good shoot if the assailant was within 21 feet and brandishing a knife. I might have drawn and ordered him to drop the knife, but as far as the assailant being a lethal threat, if it went down as reported it sounds like a good SD shoot.

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    +1 Let the 5th Amendment do the talking. The cops aren't trying to make you look innocent, that's your lawyer's job...

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    Like was preached to me in the military, never, ever talk to the press. They will take your words and use them against you for sales and ratings.

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    I will give you some definitions so you can see that this was 100% justified

    Temper and intent- The attitude and objectives of an individual displayed by his/her actions and equipment (the guy had a knife and was threatening to use it...ie Deadly force)

    Deadly Force-That force which a person uses with the purpose of causing death or serious bodily harm, or which a reasonable and prudent person would consider likely to creat a substantial risk of causing death or serious bodily harm. (note that bodily harm and deadly force are held to be one and the same)

    Bodily Harm- Injuries which have a strong potential to be life threatening. These injuries may result in the permanent loss of use of an organ or limb including: fractured or dislocated bones, deep cuts, torn members of the body and serious damage to internal or sensory organs.

    Justifications for the application of deadly force-

    1)Extreme necessity

    2)As a last resort

    3)When all lesser means have failed or cannot be reasonably employed

    You will see that inthis instance almost every thing I just listed is met thus....justifying the shooting

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    My point is, if he continues to use the words "probably" and "could have", the prosecutor is going to go after that and he will have a really hard time defending it. We have to be sure, and we have to come across to the public as being sure.
    As a general principle, I agree wholeheartedly.

    Too many missing details to tell whether it was a good shooting or a bad one.

    For one thing, I wonder how much alcohol was involved for the shooter, the shootee and the girlfriend?

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    Too many missing details to tell whether it was a good shooting or a bad one.

    For one thing, I wonder how much alcohol was involved for the shooter, the shootee and the girlfriend?
    Agreed. The alcohol question was the first in my mind. Another question to me is if this was a stranger, that he didn't know, why did he allow him to stay at the gathering to the point that he was able to drink himself to that level?

    There are always a lot of questions after any of these stories, many of them will never be answered publicly. So we can only do ourMonday morning quarterbacking with what we know.

    We know that an individual unknown to the home owner became intoxicated.

    We know he became beligerent. We don't know why.

    We know he was armed with some sort of knive. We don't know what kind.

    We are told he threatened the girlfriends life. From what distance or how we don't know.

    From what we do know and are told it sounds like a legitimate shoot.

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    Agreed, whatever comes of this, we can all still learn a great deal from the outcome.
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    j2l3 wrote:
    Agreed, whatever comes of this, we can all still learn a great deal from the outcome.
    First and foremost:

    "If you get invited to a party, don't threaten one of the hosts with a knife. It may not turn out well for you."

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    David.Car wrote:
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    Too many missing details to tell whether it was a good shooting or a bad one.

    For one thing, I wonder how much alcohol was involved for the shooter, the shootee and the girlfriend?
    Agreed. The alcohol question was the first in my mind. Another question to me is if this was a stranger, that he didn't know, why did he allow him to stay at the gathering to the point that he was able to drink himself to that level?

    There are always a lot of questions after any of these stories, many of them will never be answered publicly. So we can only do ourMonday morning quarterbacking with what we know.

    We know that an individual unknown to the home owner became intoxicated.

    We know he became beligerent. We don't know why.

    We know he was armed with some sort of knive. We don't know what kind.

    We are told he threatened the girlfriends life. From what distance or how we don't know.

    From what we do know and are told it sounds like a legitimate shoot.
    Where in the article did it mention that the subject with the knife was intoxicated, or for that matter, even consuming alcohol? The article only mentions the subject became "belligerent."

    More likely than not, you're probably correct.

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    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    Where in the article did it mention that the subject with the knife was intoxicated, or for that matter, even consuming alcohol? The article only mentions the subject became "belligerent."

    More likely than not, you're probably correct.
    Sorry, getting my news sources crossed. The drunk statement came from a coworker who actually told me of the story after watching it on the news the night before. No confirmation on the drunk part.

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    From the Spokesman-Review.
    BG was armed with a knife, GG had a .22LR pocket pistol. Not my preference but it seemed to slow the BG down enough that or the BG has seen enough movies to think "Oh crap, I got shot time to fall over"

    http://www.spokesman.com/stories/200...ense-shooting/

    A 24-year-old man said he was defending himself and his girlfriend when he shot another man early Sunday morning after an altercation at a northwest Spokane home.

    Dieter Meyer said he and his 22-year-old girlfriend were hosting a barbecue of about 15 people at their home in the 2500 block of West Courtland Avenue Saturday night and into the early hours Sunday, when a man unknown to him became belligerent.

    About 1 a.m. the man began arguing with others about “nothing important” and pulled a knife with a four- to five-inch blade. Meyer, a college student, asked him to leave.

    “I kept telling him to stop just like an officer would,” Meyer said. The man went outside, and was on the street, when he “flipped,” Meyer said.

    “He came running back toward the house,” wielding the knife. That’s when Meyer, who carries a concealed weapons permit, said he pulled out his .22-calber pocket pistol and shot the man multiple times.

    According Spokane Police, the man was recovering at a local hospital. Major crimes detectives are investigating, but provided no additional information.

    Meyer said his neighborhood is usually very quiet, and has held similar gatherings with no problems. He called Sunday’s events “unfortunate.”


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    After further thought I am not so sure this is going to end up being the clean shooting we are all hoping it would be, myself included. It took place at a college party, there is bound to be lots of booze there and I am going to bet the shooter did drink that night. The BG left the house, then came back. Well why not just close the door and call the cops? A man with a knife refusing to leave is a code 3 call out anywhere. Also, why did they not call the cops as soon as the man became "belligerent"? I see possible charges and def. see lawsuits coming at the shooter on this one. Meyer should start writing checks now.

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    Yeah Vandal, you have a point. However, there are college students who don't drink This would go a hell of a lot smoother for him if he had slammed the door (provided none of the guests were out side), then ran to his bedroom to get the gun and used it after the guy kicked the front door down.

    Unfortunately, as everyone who has ever used deadly force knows there is rarely a situation that occurs from which they do not later derive a better solution. The difference between staying sane and becoming a bleeding heart liberal is the realization that it was the best decision made with imperfect information on a truncated time table.

    The fact that he had been drinking doesn't become a problem in my mind until it can be proven BARD that it contributed to him making a bad decision. Not everyone loses their judgment when they drink, some just get relaxed, friendly and a bit of a buzz. Drinking doesn't mean one can not protect themselves. Let's just hope he gets someone on his jury who understands these things.

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    I am one of those college kids who doesn't drink, anymore.


    I agree though that in rapidly changing events and timelines you have to make the best choice with little time and worse intel. We both know that if he even had trace amounts of alcohol in his system that the local prosecutor is going to play it up and hit that point hard. This is going to be interesting to see how everything plays out. Sometimes I have to play devil's advocate to stir things up a bit.


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    The guy relies on a ".22 pocket pistol" for protection? Something is better than nothing but come on man.

    As for alcohol. I would say the odds of a sober person getting into a fight with a bunch of people at a party over "nothing" at 1 am and pulling a knife is not very good. Possible? Yes... But I would bet big money on alcohol.


    Edit: I also find it very amusing at the neighbors in the first article who all were saying they heard gun shots. 1 am people are usually asleep or watching tv and I don't think 3x .22 shots from outside my house and down the street would be enough to even remotely wake me up or be loud enough for me to barely hear over a tv.

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