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    Should abiders be allowed to buy and use body armor ?

    Take the poll ..... . the brady bunch is out in force

    Parade News is very biased and antigun .

    Body amour loopholes allows criminals to buy body armor , bullet proof vest , at gun shows or online , states Daniel Vice from the Brady Center .

    BRADY SLOGAN :

    If you're being raped , just give them what they want and the won't hurt you .

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    The Brady Bunch not only wants to take away your right to defend yourself with a firearm , they also want to take away another self defence that only protects .

    http://www.parade.com/news/intellige...ody-armor.html

    I have only used myvest a couple timeswhile open carrying . Does anyone else use one ?








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    If you live somewhere that the cost vs. benefit of wearing a vest tips towards you wearing it... you need to move.

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    R a Z o R wrote:
    Should abiders be allowed to buy and use body armor ?

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    I have only used myvest a couple timeswhile open carrying . Does anyone else use one ?
    Why only "a couple of times?" Have you had it long?

    Is it too hot or encumbering? Those things are not cheap. Will you get your use out of it?

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    If you live somewhere that the cost vs. benefit of wearing a vest tips towards you wearing it... you need to move.
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    I can not get to where you are from here .

    If I should visit other places it might be to my advantage to have this form of passive defense also , as I OC , CC , or am unable to carry .

    I live in front of a large pond with woods all around . There is a major interstate freeway within a mile . My cat was blinded by an owl and he is now a house cat only . One of my dogs will eat the cat's litter like candy if I do not act swiftly to dispose of it . Why do you think that is stylez and at what cost do you put rape and bodily arm vs not being able to live in a liberal aggressive progressive transnationalist gated community with the elite's armed securitythat wearbullet proofbody armor?



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    Why only "a couple of times?" Have you had it long?

    Is it too hot or encumbering? Those things are not cheap. Will you get your use out of it?
    When I feel the need . Long enough . Think cool grasshopper . My protection is very expensive to those that might want it . I have already lived long and hope to wear this vest that my retired Memphis cop brother gave me outhiggs boson god particle willing . Self defense is the reason for the SECOND AMENDMENT .

    James Carvelle stated " If you're splainen , you're losen. "

    And I reverse his statement " Makes me wonda why some are asken . "

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    R a Z o R wrote:
    Why do you think that is stylez and at what cost do you put rape and bodily arm vs not being able to live in a liberal aggressive progressive transnationalist gated community with the elite's armed security with bullet proof vest ?




    You wear a vest because there's a risk of getting shot at. Vests don't prevent rape and muggings. If your chances of getting shot at are so high that it's worth wearing a uncomfortable, impractical, expensive vest... then you're probably in the wrong area.


    With that said, I fully support your right to be as ridiculous and tacticool as you want. See: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum65/25651.html

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    Whoa, I'm confused. This thread includes someone speaking absolute nonsense, and HankT...but they're not the same person this time! WOW!

    Anyway I've considered purchasing a vest for myself. Mostly for range time, especially during competitions. I'd probably also wear it during extremely bad weather, like a hurricane, if I need to be outside. In the Marine Corps, we'd wear our flak and kevlar during hurricane warnings while we secured the barracks. It seemed pretty practical to me!

    I don't know when else I'd wear it. If I was that sure of getting shot, I'd much rather just leave lol.

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    R a Z o R wrote:
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    If you live somewhere that the cost vs. benefit of wearing a vest tips towards you wearing it... you need to move.
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    I can not get to where you are from here .

    If I should visit other places it might be to my advantage to have this form of passive defence also , as I OC , CC , or am unable to carry .

    I live in front of a large pond with woods all around . There is a major interstate freeway within a mile . My cat was blinded by an owl and he is now a house cat only . One of my dogs will eat the cat's litter like candy if I do not act swiftly to dispose of it . Why do you think that is stylez and at what cost do you put rape and bodily arm vs not being able to live in a liberal aggressive progressive transnationalist gated community with the elite's armed security with bullet proof vest ?

    ... AWdstylez ...

    TY , Sexual assault can happen anywhere and self protection is not limited by the Brady Bunch's weird mindset as to allow a rapist to be unopposed . The Brady Bunch needs to be pushing criminal control , not 2A and body armor control.

    I have reposted above here the whole answer and my question . :quirky:quirkyblueberries



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    DreQo wrote:
    In the Marine Corps, we'd wear our flak and kevlar during hurricane warnings while we secured the barracks. It seemed pretty practical to me!

    I don't know when else I'd wear it. If I was that sure of getting shot, I'd much rather just leave lol.
    Yea I remember those days. Then we'd take them off to jump off the 3rd deck with our poncho's and float 60 meters or so across the Quad ! lol !!

    It's the Marine Corps version of Airborne Training

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    BTW Were drastically losing the poll.

    http://www.parade.com/news/intellige...ody-armor.html

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    If you live someplace where you need body armor... I'd be lookin' for someplace else to live. That said... I would not 'ban' it from any citizen who wanted that sort of passive protection. BG's will aquire whatever anyway... regardless of laws.

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    Dustin wrote:
    BTW Were drastically losing the poll.

    http://www.parade.com/news/intellige...ody-armor.html


    Four taps : two in the chest , one between the eyes and mustache , and one in the thigh incaseyou're wearing a breastplate made from a boiler , punk . The Academy of Rocket Surgeons recommends the following self defense body armor video. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .



    >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwhiO8iteDk <





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    DreQo wrote:

    Anyway I've considered purchasing a vest for myself. Mostly for range time, especially during competitions. I'd probably also wear it during extremely bad weather, like a hurricane, if I need to be outside. In the Marine Corps, we'd wear our flak and kevlar during hurricane warnings while we secured the barracks. It seemed pretty practical to me!

    Germany and Australia have termed them passive weapons . The wearing or pocession of body armor is illegal for all civilians .

    In the United States it is already illegal for a criminal that has been covicted of a violent crime to own or use body armor . The Brady Bunch wants to disarm the abiders and not punish the Bad Guys by enforcing the current laws .

    http://www.vipbodyarmor.com good article under " Combat Hand Guns "

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    Wonder how many anti-2Aers wear them ?

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    R a Z o R wrote:
    DreQo wrote:

    Anyway I've considered purchasing a vest for myself. Mostly for range time, especially during competitions. I'd probably also wear it during extremely bad weather, like a hurricane, if I need to be outside. In the Marine Corps, we'd wear our flak and kevlar during hurricane warnings while we secured the barracks. It seemed pretty practical to me!

    Germany and Australia have termed them passive weapons . The wearing or pocession of body armor is illegal for all civilians .

    In the United States it is already illegal for a criminal that has been covicted of a violent crime to own or use body armor . The Brady Bunch wants to disarm the abiders and not punish the Bad Guys by enforcing the current laws .

    http://www.vipbodyarmor.com good article under " Combat Hand Guns "

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    Wonder how many anti-2Aers wear them ?
    What does that have to do with what I just said?

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    R a Z o R wrote:
    BRADY SLOGAN :

    ¬*¬*¬*¬* If you're being raped , just give them what they want and the won't hurt you.
    So far this may be the most accurate thing you've posted. I like.

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    DreQo wrote:
    Whoa, I'm confused. This thread includes someone speaking absolute nonsense, and HankT...but they're not the same person this time! WOW!

    Anyway I've considered purchasing a vest for myself. Mostly for range time, especially during competitions. I'd probably also wear it during extremely bad weather, like a hurricane, if I need to be outside. In the Marine Corps, we'd wear our flak and kevlar during hurricane warnings while we secured the barracks. It seemed pretty practical to me!
    Maybe just get one of those ceramic plates, drop it into your tactical purse and voil√*! Instant protection. And flexibility too. Youcan just movethe purse around to cover your strategic bits.

    This is assuming that the attacker isn't close enough to grab your, um, purse and run offwithit.

    :P

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    If you live somewhere that the cost vs. benefit of wearing a vest tips towards you wearing it... you need to move.
    The cost of wearing my body armor during my daily routine is just too much. A Level 4 vest is just too damn heavy to wear every day in South Carolina as a residential/commercial construction manager. I'd be very sweaty, and that alone would make dealing with customers and subcontractors difficult.

    But that's not why I own body armor. I own body armor for the "just in case", like a Katrina or LA riots situation. I am working on getting a smaller set for my wife, and I already own a rucksack with a minimal amount of gear to get by with. I have multiple firearms of the same design and caliber, and all my personal documents and data on a thumbdrive (in case my house is washed away by flood waters).

    There is a time and place for everything, and it's different for everyone. If I were an LEO, I'd wear my body armor every day. But I'm not, so I don't. Same reason I don't carry an AR15 and a shotgun in my truck every day. The 1911 is enough.

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    Hef wrote:
    AWDstylez wrote:
    If you live somewhere that the cost vs. benefit of wearing a vest tips towards you wearing it... you need to move.
    The cost of wearing my body armor during my daily routine is just too much. A Level 4 vest is just too damn heavy to wear every day in South Carolina as a residential/commercial construction manager. I'd be very sweaty, and that alone would make dealing with customers and subcontractors difficult.

    But that's not why I own body armor. I own body armor for the "just in case", like a Katrina or LA riots situation.

    I'm looking into purchasing some for the same reason. But razor, as usual, has taken things off the deep end and is likening wearing armor to open carrying.

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    This is one way to get your post count up. 332 and counting.

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    Hef wrote:
    AWDstylez wrote:
    If you live somewhere that the cost vs. benefit of wearing a vest tips towards you wearing it... you need to move.
    The cost of wearing my body armor during my daily routine is just too much. A Level 4 vest is just too damn heavy to wear every day in South Carolina as a residential/commercial construction manager. I'd be very sweaty, and that alone would make dealing with customers and subcontractors difficult.

    But that's not why I own body armor. I own body armor for the "just in case", like a Katrina or LA riots situation. I am working on getting a smaller set for my wife, and I already own a rucksack with a minimal amount of gear to get by with. I have multiple firearms of the same design and caliber, and all my personal documents and data on a thumbdrive (in case my house is washed away by flood waters).

    There is a time and place for everything, and it's different for everyone. If I were an LEO, I'd wear my body armor every day. But I'm not, so I don't. Same reason I don't carry an AR15 and a shotgun in my truck every day. The 1911 is enough.
    Nice Preparedness! Can I suggest that you also find a backup for your thumbdrive? The reason I say this is that I use them regularly and they always seem to fail at the most inopportune moment. Maybe have 2 thumbdrives or find one more alternate storage site.

    I really like the idea of same caliber firearms. I'm hoping to get a lever action .357 to go with my revolver. I'm leaning towards a Marlin.

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    AWDstylez wrote:



    I'm looking into purchasing some for the same reason. But razor, as usual, has taken things off the deep end and is likening wearing armor to open carrying.
    ... AWDstylez...

    used body armor ......

    http://www.bulletproofme.com/Bullet_..._Catalog.shtml

    What did you think of the above video of brandishing with body armor ?

    REPOST > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwhiO8iteDk



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    If you can afford to buy a new vest every 4 to 5 years, then go for it. They have a SHELF LIFE that many people don't know about. After about 4 years, the sweat and moisture the kevlar is exposed to during normal wear & tear makes the kevlar break down microscopically.

    I wore Level 3A body armor (with a trauma plate) for most of my 22 year career. Its nice and toasty in the winter, but it REALLY sucks in the summer. It is also quite visible in the summer and someone that sees you wearing it will most likely just shoot you in the head and not ask any questions. The trauma plates have changed from metal to ceramic over the years. They don't cover the whole vest and are only designed to defeat a knife or sharp instrument thrust. Most rifle rounds will STILL penetrate level 3A body armor without a problem.

    The new FN 5.7mm round will too. That's why they really delayed releasing that pistol to the public because LEO's went nuts when it came out screaming that it was a COP KILLER (and it is). That is probably why it is so expensive, too. Just remember, you're STILL vulnerable when wearing a vest.

    The guy that invented "Second Chance" Body Armor used to shoot himself with a .44 Magnum to show how good his vests were. He also had a couple phone books between his vest and his body, too. If you take a pistol round to the "5 ring", you're STILL going to have a pretty good bruise. It could still kill you if its in the right place. It can bruise your heart and cause it to go into ventricular fibrillation ( inneffective beating, like a bowl of quivering Jello) without even penetrating the vest or your skin. Some cops have died from a "lucky shot" in the armpit where the vest doesn't cover.

    In my humble opinion, wearing a vest will just give you a false sense of security in a bad place. As someone stated earlier, if you need to wear a vest somewhere, its time to MOVE!

    Just my $.02 worth...
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    Just noticed a quote above.. USED BODY ARMOR???

    If you buy used body armor that is more than 4 years old, you're buying a Yugo. I have some great farmland great for growing peanuts for you to buy too. Its in the Everglades...:what:
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
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    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    The guy that invented "Second Chance" Body Armor used to shoot himself with a .44 Magnum to show how good his vests were. He also had a couple phone books between his vest and his body, too. If you take a pistol round to the "5 ring", you're STILL going to have a pretty good bruise. It could still kill you if its in the right place. It can bruise your heart and cause it to go into ventricular fibrillation ( inneffective beating, like a bowl of quivering Jello) without even penetrating the vest or your skin.

    I love some vest manufactures tell you that the vest will stop 12g 00buck. What they don't tell you is that the blunt force trauma will kill you anyway.

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    True, being shot with 00 buckshot at close range will most likely cancel your Christmas plans, but so would some other calibers at close range. We had to wear our 3A vests because of policy, but it didn't give me a false sense of security.

    Even with a trauma plate, I was deathly afraid of being stabbed with an edged weapon. If you ever get the chance, find a copy of the video "Surviving Edged Weapons". In that old film, we learned that if a skilled knife fighter is within 21 feet of you and you have a holstered pistol, you are basically FLUCKED! He can cross that 7 yards andpoke you withhis pig-stickerfaster than you can draw, aim and shoot. There are someCQB (close quarter battle) skills you can learn, though.

    Never, Never, NEVER stop training. If you live in the Tidewater area, I can take you to a place where we can set up our own range and shoot more realistically than you can at a regular range.

    Mike
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
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    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
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