Should gun owners abandon the Republican Party?

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My perception from many of the outspoken republicans are they're more conservative where there has been a label of acting purely on religious belief. I seen an article in the newspaper how the "GOP is starting to look like the Religious Party." Hate to break it to them, but the GOP has looked this way for a LONG time. Ditto with poster above. I was for republicans until more each time they started to rip away rights because of their religious beliefs.

i.e. Stem Cell research which could've saved more lives already for the sake of a few cells which aren't even formed in to an intelligence, brain, nor neural-related cells.

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Roo, re-read by post above in re the pickled fetus crowd. We need to put all that aside and realize that once the 2A goes, everything else goes down the crapper. Even though I disagree with Obama on damn near everything, IF he had had a solid pro-2A record and ran on a platform of nationwide Open Carry/"Shall-Issue" concealed and all that, I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HIM. Really.

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insane.kangaroo wrote:

My perception from many of the outspoken republicans are they're more conservative where there has been a label of acting purely on religious belief. I seen an article in the newspaper how the "GOP is starting to look like the Religious Party." Hate to break it to them, but the GOP has looked this way for a LONG time. Ditto with poster above. I was for republicans until more each time they started to rip away rights because of their religious beliefs.

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Alexcabbie wrote:

Roo, re-read by post above in re the pickled fetus crowd. We need to put all that aside and realize that once the 2A goes, everything else goes down the crapper. Even though I disagree with Obama on damn near everything, IF he had had a solid pro-2A record and ran on a platform of nationwide Open Carry/"Shall-Issue" concealed and all that, I WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HIM. Really.

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Aye. Same. While I'm severely disgusted at him for this anti-2A, I love the fact he helped the federal funds ban on embryonic stem cell research lifted. Not too happy on his thoughts about privacy on keeping the anti-privacy bush bills, or asking the supreme court not to take the ATT case... Personally, I'm pro employer. If employees can't voice their opinions and ask for raises then they shouldn't work. I'm anti-Union because people who shouldn't deserve the job often are ones who get the job even though they make huge mistakes and are worthless to the point where they make people who can get ahead without degrees/certs look bad.

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insane.kangaroo wrote:

My perception from many of the outspoken republicans are they're more conservative where there has been a label of acting purely on religious belief. I seen an article in the newspaper how the "GOP is starting to look like the Religious Party." Hate to break it to them, but the GOP has looked this way for a LONG time. Ditto with poster above. I was for republicans until more each time they started to rip away rights because of their religious beliefs.

i.e. Stem Cell research which could've saved more lives already for the sake of a few cells which aren't even formed in to an intelligence, brain, nor neural-related cells.

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Iffor medicalreasonsthe elite's goal is to harvest full grown organs and other body parts for medical transplantations from their stem cell clone " package " , how does religious beliefs enter into the debate if one is indeed the elite's " package " ?

We as a whole have progressed to the point of the discovery of the Higgs Boson god-particle. Knostics and atheist shouldfinally agree about the limitless genius of the Big Bang .

This particle is part of the plot in the new Ron Howard and Tom Hanks movie .

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NIP IT IN THE BUD ...... NIP IT IN THE BUD

Why let something like the destruction of our Second Amendment , national sovereignty , or the harming of another human being thru the harvesting of their body be allowed to manifest due to ignorance ? Isn't it easier to stop it andnip it in the bud before it blooms and spreads . History has shown that gun control and eugenics is horrible .

RELENTLESS LOGIC :quirky:quirky:quirky:quirky blueberry pancakes

Stem cell and cloning is an old debate and thank goodness other cell research has defused the use of stem cells . Now howshall we deal with clone havesting and transnationalism ?

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Razor, your posts make my brain hurt.

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R a Z o R wrote:

Stem cell and cloning is an old debate and thank goodness other cell research has defused the use of stem cells.

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Umm, adult stem cell research has defused the issue of embryonic stem cell research. Use of stem cells in general is going full steam ahead, and it's a great thing.

Also, cloning is hardly an old debate. The real cloning debate hasn't yet begun, but it's coming.

Oh, I have NO idea what this has to do with sticking with or abandoning the Republican Party. Personally, my opinion on that topic is that since no third party will ever win a significant office, the thing to do is to pick the party closest to your beliefs and work within that party to shift its platform where you want it to be.

If you really want a third party candidate to have a serious chance, we first have to replace plurality voting with something better, like range voting or even approval voting. As long as voters are stuck with picking only one choice, we'll have two parties (c.f. Duverger's Law). Since changing the voting system ain't gonna happen, all we can do is work inside the parties. Third parties are useful for helping to frame the debate and to increase discussion and support of key issues. but any real change has to be made within the Reps or the Dems.

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swillden wrote:

R a Z o R wrote:

Stem cell and cloning is an old debate and thank goodness other cell research has defused the use of stem cells.

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Umm, adult stem cell research has defused the issue of embryonic stem cell research. Use of stem cells in general is going full steam ahead, and it's a great thing.

Also, cloning is hardly an old debate. The real cloning debate hasn't yet begun, but it's coming.

Oh, I have NO idea what this has to do with sticking with or abandoning the Republican Party. Personally, my opinion on that topic is that since no third party will ever win a significant office, the thing to do is to pick the party closest to your beliefs and work within that party to shift its platform where you want it to be.

If you really want a third party candidate to have a serious chance, we first have to replace plurality voting with something better, like range voting or even approval voting. As long as voters are stuck with picking only one choice, we'll have two parties (c.f. Duverger's Law). Since changing the voting system ain't gonna happen, all we can do is work inside the parties. Third parties are useful for helping to frame the debate and to increase discussion and support of key issues. but any real change has to be made within the Reps or the Dems.

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Doctor Livingstone, I presume?

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thx997303 wrote:

Razor, your posts make my brain hurt.

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Indeed.

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marshaul wrote:

thx997303 wrote:

Razor, your posts make my brain hurt.

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Indeed.

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If we vote for liberal progressives that are for taking away our right to self defense and destroying the United Statesyourbrain willache too . Avoid left wing extremist and vote pro RKBA .

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See, that's exactly what we're talking about.

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Flintlock wrote:

R a Z o R wrote:

MITT ROMNEY * BOBBY JINDAL * 2012

Mitt will be speaking at the NRA meet .

Hope that by 2012 Mitt will have proven

himself and made sure for our liberty,

sovereignty , Constitution , and the

Right to Keep and Bear Arms .

If we do not unite in the next twoelections ,

we deserve what happens to America .

R a Z o R

PS , I am a centrist that votes for the best possible .

It is our free agency to vote or not and I sure hope you do .

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As far as the 2nd amendment is concerned, I am not sure you would get a lot different in Mitt Romney than you would with Obama. In fact, it may be worse because Mitt would have the support of bothhis partyas well asmost Democrats in the signing of"high caliber," lethal weapon bansas well asanother AWB, which he claims to support.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Governor/Mitt_Romney_Gun_Control.htm

The definition of insanity is voting for the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

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Hear, hear. I happened to be a gun owner in MA when this windbag was Governor. He promised the IIA community the stars, moon, and all the skies during the campaign but never kept his word. In fact, he reneged on the one piece of pro-gun legislation that he publicly committed to with just months left in his administration. And that wasn't even controversial or ground breaking, which is a difficult stunt to pull in an legal environment full of draconian rules & regs governing gun ownership as exists in MA.

If Romney is on the GOP ticket, it's a no go for me, just like Obungo being on the Democratic ticket. Jindal, on the other hand, is a-ok in my book, but he'd better find another running mate. Romney is as slimy as a used car salesman and would sell his Mama's soul to the devil to realize his ambitions. He has no integrity what so ever.

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Blue Brain Stain Syndromeeffects the brightest of us .

I read full strength Ann Coulter twice a week inorder to counter act the progressive MSM KOOL AID fumes .[ did you play the short Ann Coulter videos above ? ]Do you like to read Huffington and Code Pink ? Do like to be lied to by Liberal Aggressive Progressive Socialist ? If the progun party nominates Ann Romney to be the First Lady , will you unite with the party ?

How about a little bit of truth for a C H A N G E .

V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V V

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.com

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Libertarianism for the win!

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You'll have to forgive me as I have not read the entirety of this thread, however...

I don't think we should abandon one political party for any reason.

Obama is anti-gun in the worst way. However, there are some Democrats that are more pro-gun than any Republican out there.

This is a slippery issue. Anyone who walks into that voting booth and bases their entire reason for electing someone on what letter is placed next to the candidates name should not vote.

These people look at the paper/screen and make their decision on whether there is a "D" or an "R" there. This is NOT how a democracy should work

I vote in the following manor:

I look at all available candidates.

I find out what their position is on the issues I care most about.

I look at their voting record, or in the case of someone completely new, their history as a citizen.

I research what groups and organizations they are a part of.

I find out what they may have stated to the media in the past, as past quotes have a tendency to define a candidate's political agenda.

That's how I pick who I'm going to vote for.

Republican? Democrat? They are all the same. The question is, how have they voted in the past and where do they stand now, not "What party do you belong to?

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I find out what they may have stated to the media in the past, as past quotes have a tendency to define a candidate's political agenda.

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The MSM and Huffington Post are biased . So much more research is required inorder to become a proficiently informed voter .

" Life is tough but it's a lot tougher when you're stupid ." John Wayne

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OK, we all get it, you like Romney, and we don't. End of story. Quit posting about it and quit spamming the forum.

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I have to agree. No matter what you think of Romney (or Ron Paul or Giuliani or for tht matter McCain) we have wound up with what we have now which is President Obama. The global and national poker hand has now been dealt, and the cards (in more than one sense) we have ar the cards we have to play.

So here we are in a game of Texas Hold 'Em and the board is showing four jokers.:banghead::banghead::banghead:

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compmanio365 wrote:

OK, we all get it, you like Romney, and we don't.  End of story.  Quit posting about it and quit spamming the forum.

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marshaul wrote:

compmanio365 wrote:

OK, we all get it, you like Romney, and we don't. End of story. Quit posting about it and quit spamming the forum.

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+ 1 , I like to win and this tread is pro Second Amendment . Inorder to insure our RKBA the time to unite is now .

Linsey Graham, a Republican and my neighbor to the south , got into a sharp back & forth about the GOP not losing in the 2010 & 2012 elections .

" Ron Paul is not the leader of this party . "

" I'm not going to give this party over to people who can't win . "

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