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    Meeting Minutes for CCDL 4th meeting May 12, 2009

    New members (welcome)

    Ed Peruta Rocky Hill – and other locations
    Nick Naugatuck
    Brian Newtown
    Kevin Willington
    Steve New Fairfield
    Dave Milford
    Tony Norwalk

    17 members attended.

    The meeting was called to order at 19:06 with the Pledge of Allegiance

    Introductions of new members were made and introductions of the existing members after that.

    The minutes of April’s meeting were read
    Motion To Accept (MTA) by Bennett/Alex at 19:16 unanimously passed

    Treasurers report read by Scott for Jay
    The treasury is up $25 after donations/tee shirts/filing fees
    Scott will meet with Jay and get the next tee shirt order for distribution in June
    MTA Treasurers report by Bennett/Lenny unanimously passed 19:18

    Lenny addressed Web Hosting issues and options next
    Go Daddy pricing
    Economy plan 1 year $4.75/month
    Mass mailing options were discussed express email marketing package $7.19/month (500 emails/month)
    Google Groups were discussed as a mailing option
    Misc discussion, email forwarding using ccdl.us as a destination.
    MTA by Bennett/Ryan

    Discussion of Dues/fees, donation buttons on the website, paypal, membership drives etc.
    Membership forms
    Ryan inquired as to CCDL being a non profit, we are a not for profit entity
    Ryan offered his services for a modification of an existing web-site to CCDL as a
    Donation or some other arrangement. Suggested looking at thisgunsforyou.com as an idea.
    Ryan asked about a bottom of page tag to advertise his creative company skills, no issues

    Accepted 19:28

    Scott provide the presidents report.
    Online forums, constitution sections via opencarry.org CT page
    Requested more input on the section and encouraged active participation.

    MTA Presidents report Lenny/Tony Unanimous 19:31

    Ed Peruta suggested we could put the reports on a larger report and accept the whole thing rather than act upon each item separately.
    Lenny wised off about the secretary’s head being down taking notes.

    Susans Report as Registered Agent given by Scott

    Business ID number 0970391
    State ID number 00169-4650

    $10 per filing for changing names on the group entity
    No Tax ID yet
    File separately for that with the Department of Revenue Services
    Doable online
    Secretary or RA handle… (all agreed that Susan should handle)
    PO Box for mailing address approx $50 (monthly presumably)
    Suggesting donation of “founding members” of $100/household per year
    Solicit donations on the website using a button for non-attending members that would like to help out with the finances of the group.
    Once the tax ID we can get a bank account for donations to go into
    Quicken suggested to use for financial records to export
    Apologies for missing items etc…
    Passed around to view.

    MTA Bennet/Virginia - unanimous 19:35

    5 minute break called at 19:37

    Off the record discussion driven by Ed Peruta who suggested if the CCDL.inc could provide pistol permit training classes at prices less than average with a minimum of 10 people per class it could be a decent moneymaker for the group. Ed had to leave but made his $100 household donation to the group, record made of money donated.
    He said we ought to have the pistol/revolver course link on the page as people would look for that, and with a minimum class we could either teach it or have Ed or someone else teach it and do the hands-on (live fire) exercises at a range somewhere.

    Meeting called back to order at 19:52

    Old Business
    Accomplishments read from last months meeting

    New Business
    Proposed Agenda
    Membership forms
    Online Ad-Hoc tweaking of forms (online signup)

    MTD (discuss) Bennett/Lenny - membership forms 19:59
    The group viewed Lenny’s design on his computer discussed.
    Discussed the lack of access to “free” printing facilities
    Boxes to use to display them, on the back are tri-fold instructions to make them mailable.

    MTA Lenny/Justin unan 20:04

    MTD Web hosting
    Ryan said he would build and manage a simple site.
    No issues with small bottom ad for Ryans time/effort
    NRA ad, GOA ad suggested by Lenny
    Asked Ryan for a contract such that the website contents were protected and owned by CCDL Inc.
    Ryan suggested putting the new site up on the hosting site it will reside on and when it is ready for public consumption change the http://www.ccdl.us to point at it.

    Ryan offered to put up:
    Online application page
    Home page
    News page
    Certificates page?

    Motion to have Ryan create the web page Bennet/Tony unan 20:08

    Motion To Table MTT July 4th type event due to Susan/Ira not being here amongst other reasons Bennet/Alex

    MTD bylaws Justin/ (went back to the audio no second, etc)
    Discussed the Ad-hoc modifications made

    Justin Read Article 1 of the group constitution
    Discussion of mission statement
    MTA Article 1 Alex/Tony unan

    Article 2 Organization read by Scott

    MTA Article 2 Lenny/Justin unan

    Article 3 Finances
    Justin read
    All books open upon request
    Financial info 2 weeks after request of treasurer
    Report on treasury and balances during meetings
    Exec board will prepare Preliminary budgets
    Minimum bank balance (fee avoidance)
    Balance below minimum no existing exec board member may run for office
    Min balance set by exec
    Dues set by exec board
    Dues are not required of members

    Discussion
    Voting versus non-voting members having demands
    Posting of books online
    2 business meeting notice of intent to see books
    Hostile takeover discussion by outsiders
    To be determined later what the requirements are
    Members in good standing? Definition
    Voting members? Requirements for voting?
    Justin to re-write the portions as needed for viewing
    Treasurer will present finance report to cover demands.. (phew)
    $25 minimum to be amended later for bank account once bank fees are known.
    Or amend the section with whatever the bank says the minimum is.

    Passed Art 3 unan 20:24

    MTT Article 4 until next general meeting – more discussion needed Bennett/Lenny
    When Susan and Ira can attend. unan 20:25

    Article 5 Election Procedures
    Justin reads
    Membership votes for members at second to the last meeting of the year (Nov)
    1 year position for exec board members (2 years??)
    Steve discussed his experience with bylaw amendments
    Fiscal year end October meeting books balanced prior to elections.
    To be presented at Oct meeting

    Sec 2 Nominations for officers Oct Meeting
    Exec board positions nominated by members
    Exec board positions can self nominate
    Language change “all elected board position” to “only elected board position”
    Possible exception to waive requirements for appointment (by president to committees)
    Steve talked more about committees and appointments making things easier
    Sec 3
    Nominated candidate must have attended at least 50% of gen meetings in calendar year
    Change calendar to fiscal?
    Add nominated candidate must be a voting member
    Discussion of “member in good standing”

    Justin discussed differences in membership classes. Online discussion to follow to decide how to define members, good standing, voting, etc.
    Vote in election with 1 meeting attended struck!
    Move to section 4

    Section 5
    Officers shall be elected by a plurality of the votes
    No run-off election (top two candidates, vote again)
    Whoever wins wins.
    Tiebreaker – flip a coin? Shoot off? Duel?
    Flip of a coin by current president (by someone someone NOT vested in the outcome)
    Secret Ballot – to be added to the section write-in secret ballot.
    Can’t hold more than one position at a time.

    Section 6 to become sec 5
    If the office of chairman is vacant then vice chairman will be appointed until the next election. v/c position is posted after that for 30 days accept nominations from the general membership.

    Section 7 to become 6
    Elections shall be rolling chairman/ vice chairman/ secretary, and so on.
    Discussions to determine all the positions online
    Take some positions and combine them to reduce headcount or paperwork changes
    Registered Agent to be an exec board position

    Section 6 to become 7 after membership section addition.

    Discussion of legislative person to cover elections with help of committee.
    Committees will help with election coverage
    We are non-partisan
    Choose best candidate based on 2nd amendment
    NRA ratings? GOA ratings?
    Reach out to candidates and feel them out for their position and decide on which one is best.
    Lenny suggested the politicians will fall over themselves to get our backing.
    Regional contact in touch with local politicians
    Same issue for governor recommendations
    Help available from membership who can help (ad hoc)

    Justin will post the changes online to be discussed and worked on next meeting.
    Article 8 amendments
    Article 9 disciplinary procedures

    Motion to close the meeting made by Bennett/Tony 21:01


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    You forgot to add Tony from Norwalk as a new member! He says the traffic is so bad getting to our meetings at 7:00 that he probably won't make it regularly, but as he's a close friend of Alex and I we'll keep him up to date.

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    Good job Robert!!!
    I hope that you have taken some sort of short hand course, there is a lot of info in these reports!!
    And now for the benefit of members who do not know our handles out here I will put my name, as requested at the meeting

    Its me
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    Just waiting for the current revision of the by-laws to be posted so we can begin the discussion.

    Kevin

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    Sorry about missing Tony, I've put him in there at the top.

    Lenny - short hand or chicken scratch either way it's hard to read. My MP3 player did a pretty remarkable job of recording the chatter in the room so I used that to double check my notes. It's a 27 meg file so I'll keep them on my PC at home and could burn them to CD or bring them in on a memory stick if anyone is interested in a copy. A few would fit on a CD at this rate 32k mp3 files.

    I still had some adrenalin in the system left over from seeing a car on the side of the road turn on its lights and start moving in Milford while I was "slightly exceeding the speed limit" - pucker factor. Hence I sat down and used that energy to get the minutes done. If nothing else Scott will be shocked. haha

    Robert

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    Kick a$$ job Robert!! You captured things well...

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    Just waiting for the current revision of the by-laws to be posted so we can begin the discussion.
    
    Kevin
    We may start getting into that tomorrow Kevin.

    Robert, I am going to copy these and put them up on the FB Page as well.

    Scott





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    WOW great job that would have taken me oh say two days till the next meeting to do! good meeting you all Steve

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    Steve, thanks for meeting with us, glad you could make it. And rest assured at some point as the organizations policy takes shape, our format may take a different course.

    For now, based on my prior experience Chairing State-wide Orgs, Volunteer Committees for Department Of Corrections, Convention Committees and Public Information Committees, this is the way I feel will best serve the Org.

    Again, if the group feels we should change this as we move to a permanent standing committee at some point, then whatever is in the best interest of the Org is what the Org will get.

    Seriously great input from yourself and the other new members that attended last night.Thanks again!!





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    Hi everyone....great minutes Robert.....really outstanding....looks like you all accomplished a lot last evening and am very happy to see more new members made it to the meeting. See you all in June, sorry to have missed last night.

    One question...it appears that there may have been some discussion about this venue being used as a bitch board by people from out of state. Were there any suggestions as to how to handle this? I haved refrained from commenting to the "gentlemen" on the inappropriateness of their discussion because I don't wish to encourage them, but they either need to exchange email adresses, take it to a private chat room, or get a hotel room. Can the moderators be of any assistance with this?





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    Wife of Protector wrote:
    Hi everyone....great minutes Robert.....really outstanding....looks like you all accomplished a lot last evening and am very happy to see more new members made it to the meeting. See you all in June, sorry to have missed last night.

    One question...it appears that there may have been some discussion about this venue being used as a bitch board by people from out of state. Were there any suggestions as to how to handle this? I haved refrained from commenting to the "gentlemen" on the inappropriateness of their discussion because I don't wish to encourage them, but they either need to exchange email adresses, take it to a private chat room, or get a hotel room. Can the moderators be of any assistance with this?



    I just went off on another thread. CT bashers and some that have been transplanted to here. I just couldnt take it any more.
    This is the thread
    nCarry.org - Discussion Forum > Stories From The States > Connecticut > Angry woman in the S&S parking lot

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    Join Here: http://www.ccdl.us/membership

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    Thanks Lenny

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    Really, like we give a rats ass what other people think.. if they come with something useful and constructive great! if they are just here to be haters then I won't look at the thread any more.

    Robert

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    Hey,I will admit to airing a gripe or two about this State, and our dumb federal laws, ButI try realhard not to...



    Sometimes I fall short myself. But at least I am trying to change it with you guys!!

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    Nice job Robert! I thought the meeting was very good and a lot was accomplished. I'll be great, as Scott suggested, when all the legalese is done and we can get down to some business... Thanks to all.

    ~ Heli

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    romma wrote:
    Steve, thanks for meeting with us, glad you could make it. And rest assured at some point as the organizations policy takes shape, our format may take a different course.


    The ony thing that I have a problem with is the wording on a voiting member I checked in my other Org by-laws they both have a member can vote in a election for a officer if he is a member in good standing. A member is in good standing if he makes 1/2 (6) the meetings in a year. Why I am hung up on this is that I work nights roating shift and its not possablefor me to make 2-3 in row thanks again I am off next meeting night I see you all their Steve

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    We had some discussions earlier in the year about protecting the group from a hostile takeover from anti-gun weenies.

    Perhaps some combination of permit holder -or- firearm owner for the important votes like elections.

    Worthy of a discussion sometime to keep our group in the hands of the people it was created to serve.

    Robert

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    The proper wording and requirements will have to be worked out. To keep it fair for members and the organization.
    The Connecticut Citizens Defense League is a non-partisan, grassroots organization devoted to advocating rights affirmed by the Constitutions of the United States of America and the State of Connecticut. We are especially dedicated to protecting the unalienable right of all citizens to keep and bear arms, for the defense of both self and state, through public enlightenment and legislative action.
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    Ira and I have two comments on this topic.

    Ira suggests that an accomodation can be made for members whose schedules conflict with meeting times...for this year a combination of meeting and function attendance totaling 6...and in full years a combination of 9.

    My suggestion regarding voting requirements of gun ownership etc... we don't want to go there at all. Our Mission statement is quite clear....anyone is welcome as long as they subscribe to the tenet of defending Second Amendment rights. Therefore, if anti-gun persons come..we will cordially ask them to leave as soon as their actions/opinions give indication that they are there under false pretense.

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    Hi. New to the board. Not familiar with CCDL. Grateful if you all could edjimacate me. Please send education, membership info and donation address to krislittledale@comcast.net

    Thanks....Kris

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    Info on the way shortlyKris!

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    Thank you! I'm from way up in the NW corner of Ct, but I will make meetings. Be real nice to find some like minded folks.

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    Perfect, that is the one area not yet covered by members. That is why we meet in Middletown. As close to the middle as possible.

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    has anyone ever considered maybe holding every other meeting in a place more on the western side of ct to maybe attract some more people who would normally be turned off by the drive?

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    has anyone ever considered maybe holding every other meeting in a place more on the western side of ct to maybe attract some more people who would normally be turned off by the drive?


    Negative, we have people in Eastern CT too. If people want to show some willingness to be active, then maybe pool up with a couple people and make a road trip out of it.



    The way I myself see it, we are geographically blessed to have a small State that is fairly symmetrical + a meeting place in the middle of the State. Trust me, trying toserve my fellow gun owners is worth the drive.



    So come join us if you will nviper!

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    i attended the last meeting. i'm nick from naugatuck. i was just thinking that because i could see how that would turn some people off. i drove about 45 mins myself to get there.

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