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Yesterday I was the suspect in a manhunt

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SGKO wrote:
I posted a response to Justin (xiphoris) regarding said issue from another forum he was on regarding said issue of concern, and just got used to addressing him by his name (of which his name was listed on this other forum.) Do I know the guy personally?...nope.

Regarding esstac's and phssthpok's concerns...it is because of mature, responsible, and extremely well trained prior and current active duty military (in particular those of us from combat arms) that other responsible citizen gun owners do not look socially maladjusted and psychotic to the rest of this nations citizenry. Any prior and current active duty as well as prior or current law enforcement who have gone through actual responsible and intensive small arms and other crew served weapons training know this.

Justin - xiphoris is not looking for confrontation merely by way of exercising his Constitutional Rights as a fire arms owner or supporter of OC. He is looking for confrontation by way of his overall attitude and dismissiveness and lack of appreciation and mature and responsible fire arms ownership. He is whining about a right he has no idea of how to exercise appropriately. His attitude towards fire arms is akin to that of a spoiled child and their toy.

Fire arms are not toys, they are tools. And as with any particular tool, they have a very specific and particular function. The particular function of this particular type of tool is for self defense and to protect, and if needed, to defend and to kill. They are visually meant to be intimidating of which I feel drives Justin's-xiphoris's attitude and desire to OC, of which sends the wrong message about OC and the OCM. Justin's - xiphoris's attitude towards fire arms undermines responsible citizen gun ownership as well as citizen gun owners to exercise they're Constitutional Right to OC without having to worry about the rest of the public.

BTW Triple Tap, you're welcome. Also, what is a LEO?
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Just what are you basing this rant upon? What did he do or say that leads to your conclusion? Where are you reading his "attitude" to call it akin to that of a spoiled child and their toy?
 
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Do you honestly think that being prior service makes you somehow unique or special? Wow you can work a 240gulf that’s just so dam impressive. And you made bang bang with a glorified 22, you suffer from a misguided belief that because of your service that your special in some unique way. Got a news flash for ya bub your not.

The fact notwithstanding that you are in point of fact currently engaging in several troll like behaviors, inflammatory comments to the OP, following the OP from another forum. ETC. I have personally witnessed this particular flavor of BS elitism to many times to count in to many forums to want to count. Thus the QED comment. Basically unless you have something pertinent or useful to say in regards to Open carry or the thread topic or firearms in general other than a bunch of golly me look what I did self aggrandizing excreta STFU.
 
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Look, SGKO.... whoever you are... in this forum, you have not earned the respect of anyone here. No one knows who the hell you are. You come in and make claims you are military and a LEO weapons trainer.... and we're supposed to just believe you... as if these claims give you some sort of credibility? You're now up to 8 posts now?

Do you know what a logical fallacy is? So many people use logical fallacy to try and win an argument or to somehow create an unassailable viewpoint based on their supposed experience and knowhow. You're currently using what is known as an Appeal to Authority. You make yourself out to be an authority figure on the RTKBA and then make a claim or an attack on the object of your ire.

Not believable.
 
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First off,

Troll
One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner, which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks. With no substance or relevance to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.

Second, don’t use that chicken shit I gave you the right to debate this circular logic

Third, I prefer beer swilling, hand loading,, and crotchety old grunt although you can leave the cheetos in there I suppose.

Forth, Hey thanks for taking the time to debate this no really it was a great time killer

And last but not least No not really
 
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You are obviously laboring under the fallacy of farness. Frankly your uniform hasn’t given me any freedom, or your service for that mater. As to my safety and prosperity I alone am responsible for that. Not you, not anyone who has sworn the oath.

Frankly this is the reason why I hardly post. dealing with whiny little sand in my **** bitch ass **** sticks gets really old fast.

Think ill go back to my beer n cheetos, maybe watch some porn to
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SGKO wrote:
Wrightme,

Come on sir, re-read his post. The kid is asking for confrontation. He wants to be the "suspect" in a "manhunt." He has no idea as to why he needs to exercise his Constitutional Rights (be it State or Federal), and jeeeez-us, but the kid is on an ego trip that again, makes all responsible fire arms and OC advocates look immature. Granted, there certainly are others out there but, I'm focusing on "them" one at a time.

The validity of the OCM is important to me because this is a cross section of the tax paying public and they are my fellow citizens. And when there is an unwarranted and unjust misconception by the public (both pro and con regarding the OCM) being facilitated by someone in this manner, it concerns me and I speak up. You may not agree with me but then again, that is your right. As it is my right to voice my perspective on a particular aspect(s) in support of the OCM.

That's about as clear and concise as I can be. Hope this will suffice for you Wrightme.

Regards.
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False. I have read all the posts in this thread, and I have not jumped to that false conclusion. You have. Your conclusion is not supported by facts. There is nothing in the facts to indicate that he did anything that in any way puts firearms owners in a bad light. You seem to think that to be the case for some arcane reason that you claim has to do with crew-served weapons. Whatever. You are simply trolling here, been called on it, and are ranting without basis.
 
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SGKO wrote:
WFL,

I'm not here to earn the respect of anyone (I was not aware that this was a pre-req.) I am here to support the OCM, and to discuss agreement and disagreement of. And really, you don't have to know who I am, we're not here to be buddy's WFL, we are here to discuss the needs of advocating OC here in the U.S. That includes both agreements and disagreements. And as far as fire arms and ownership goes, I disclose a very limited amount (information-wise) regarding expertise per my military service, and that is it. You do not know any particular details about me because I have not disclosed them to you or anyone else. Only those details applicable to the issue to allow you some insight as to where I draw my perspective on OC from.

Be civil WFL.
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Agreement is one thing. Talking down to others is another entirely. You have not been discussing the topic, but you HAVE been claiming others aren't doing it right; seemingly based solely on your feeling of superiority.

Be civil. You haven't been.
 
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SGKO wrote:
WFL,

I'm not here to earn the respect of anyone (I was not aware that this was a pre-req.) I am here to support the OCM, and to discuss agreement and disagreement of. And really, you don't have to know who I am, we're not here to be buddy's WFL, we are here to discuss the needs of advocating OC here in the U.S. That includes both agreements and disagreements. And as far as fire arms and ownership goes, I disclose a very limited amount (information-wise) regarding expertise per my military service, and that is it. You do not know any particular details about me because I have not disclosed them to you or anyone else. Only those details applicable to the issue to allow you some insight as to where I draw my perspective on OC from.

Be civil WFL.
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When you use your experience as a reason we should believe you... it helps to be able to believe you. There are people on here who have normal conversations... who discuss the issues, and have arguments about policy... usually not attacking other posters... (usually being the key word). But when a new person comes on the board, and his or her first post is an Ad Hominem attack... it raises the red flag for most Internet forum participants.

Respect is established through people getting to know you and your beliefs... we begin to understand who you are and then you become more (or less) credible. We don't want to know your favorite color, your address or your shoe size... it's just nice to get to know something about someone before you hang on their every word... what's more, Ad Hominem attacks are usually frowned upon here. While most of us have probably engaged in an Ad Hominem attack in the heat of an Argument... I would bet that most of us did not start our first post with an attack.
 
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SGKO wrote:
Wrightme,

I am not talking down to you or anyone else. I have a perspective that is not in full agreement on a topic that we here are all passionate about regarding OC rights.

Quite frankly, it is the negative rhetoric and apparent oppositional - anti Veteran and LEO responses to my perspective regarding OC that is exhibiting a superior - egocentric attitude. And it is those OCDO members in disagreement with my perspective and view regarding OC rights in this country, that are the ones fully talking down to me and other Veterans like myself, as well as to the LEO's that provide you with the protections to exercise the freedoms you appear to take for granted.

No matter Wrightme, I have emailed DaveCAV requesting that my membership with OCDO be canceled and that my postings on this thread be removed. The OCDO is not the positive pro OC forum that I was led to believe would facilitate active discussion (both in agreement and disagreement) on the legal rights of OC in this country.

And I certainly was not aware as to the oppositional and anti Veteran and LEO stance of the forum community on this site.

So, Adios Wrightme and be well.
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I am well. I am also willing to discuss OC and other issues rationally. You haven't been able to do such.

I am a Veteran too. I don't wear it on my sleeve as a way to prop myself up as better than others. You have done so. No one attacked your status as a Veteran. They attacked your use of your vet status and quals to put others down. You never articulated what the OP did wrong in your opinion, only that since you had all that training that he was not doing it right.

Most posters I encounter here are not anti-vet or anti-LE. They ARE against the use of "color of law" tactics by some LE, and are also against LE and DAs who use fabricated reasons to harass those who exercise their Rights in a lawful manner. You presented as someone who thinks themselves to be better than some 'average citizen' for some reason. Hubris.
 
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