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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ational-parks/

    27 Democrats voted for it as well.


    And here is the shocker:

    "Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada voted in favor of the amendment, though he warned senators afterward not to introduce any more unrelated amendments to the credit card legislation."





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    Sometimes the backdoor stragety works in our favor...

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    Further info: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/late...ry/907617.html

    We aren't out of the woods yet, they may yet strip it out.

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    Would this only allow CC, or would it also allow OC?

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    hansolo wrote:
    Would this only allow CC, or would it also allow OC?
    Right now the amentdment says:

    (b) Protecting the Right of Individuals To Bear Arms in Units of the National Park System and the National Wildlife Refuge System.–The Secretary of the Interior shall not promulgate or enforce any regulation that prohibits an individual from possessing a firearm including an assembled or functional firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System if–

    (1) the individual is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm; and

    (2) the possession of the firearm is in compliance with the law of the State in which the unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System is located.

    So, yes, you would be able to OC, just like anywhere else in CO (except Denver).

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    So what you said is not the current law, but is in the process of passing in the Colorado Congress?

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    hansolo wrote:
    So what you said is not the current law, but is in the process of passing in the Colorado Congress?


    This is a Federal law. It will allow the carrying of loaded firearms of any non-prohibited type to be carried into a National Park or National Wildlife Refuge. It will make both OC and CC legal as long as the state allows it.

    Currently, you can only carry concealed in National Forests. Other Federal wilderness areas are off limits.


    In short, it lets each individual state decide whether carrying is to be allowed or not, as it should be.

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    Out of committee and passed now???
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
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    Not too much of a shocker. Though Reid is a Democrat weasel, he's been fairly decent to gunowners.

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    old dog wrote:
    Not too much of a shocker. Though Reid is a Democrat weasel, he's been fairly decent to gunowners.


    So then why is he a "weasel?"

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    Dispatcher wrote:
    Currently, you can only carry concealed in National Forests. Other Federal wilderness areas are off limits.
    You mean National Parks? I currently carry in a all National Forests and State Wildernesses I enter.

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    Why is he a weasel? Because he's a Democrat. That means he is, finally, in bed with Pelosi, Kennedy, Schumer, Feinstein, ad nauseum.

    On the Second Amendment, he has often said the right thing but I simply can't accept that he is reliable. I'm afraid that his fidelity to American gunowners will prove fungible in the crucible of politics.

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    old dog wrote:
    Why is he a weasel? Because he's a Democrat. That means he is, finally, in bed with Pelosi, Kennedy, Schumer, Feinstein, ad nauseum.

    On the Second Amendment, he has often said the right thing but I simply can't accept that he is reliable. I'm afraid that his fidelity to American gunowners will prove fungible in the crucible of politics.

    Then you're part of the problem.


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    AWD, could you expand on that?

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    What AWDstylez is saying is that he wants you to ignore the fact that gun control is still part of the Democratic Party platform.

    We can all point to democrats (mostly from Western states) who honestly don't want to take your guns and Republicans (Rep. Peter King [R, NY-3],Rep. Michael Castle [R, DE-0], Rep. Mark Kirk [R, IL-10],
    Rep. Christopher Smith [R, NJ-4]), who do, but the big difference between Democrats and Republicans remains that a Republican can vote for your constitutional rights and still look cool in front of his friends.

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    old dog wrote:
    AWD, could you expand on that?
    Not to put words in his mouth, but opposition to a politician simply due to party affiliation is kind of senseless. Oppose Reid due to his errors in governance, not because there is a "D" after his name.

    For example, my congressman is a Democrat who has staunchly opposed every single spending bill that's come through this year and has gone on the record opposing gun control measures. He has also supported every measure intended to increase individual liberty at the national level thus far. I am impressed with this man due to the record of his votes. He has not let party affiliation sway his sense of right and wrong. He represents his constituency.

    For what it's worth....

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    hansolo wrote:
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    Currently, you can only carry concealed in National Forests. Other Federal wilderness areas are off limits.
    You mean National Parks? I currently carry in a all National Forests and State Wildernesses I enter.
    There is a difference between State and Federal Parks.

    There are also different classifications.

    It is illegal to carry a loaded firearm into any National Park (Federal) or Federal Wildlife Refuge.

    You can, however and strangely enough, carry a loaded firearm onto the premise of a National Forest, which is not a National Park or Federal Wildlife Refuge. Even hunting is allowed in National Forests.

    State Parks and State Wildlife refuges are owned by the State and not the Federal government, which means Federal parks rules do not apply. Like here in Virginia, I can carry concealed in a State Park but cannot carry into a National Park in my own state, even though state law allows concealed carry....

    In short, you cannot carry in a Federal Wildlife. You cannot carry in any National Park. You can carry in a National Forest.

    What makes this thing so ridiculous is the fact that many National Parks are surrounded by or share a border with National Forests.

    This means that you can be walking along concealed carrying hiking through a National Forest and you accidentally cross one foot over into the National Park..... you have just become a criminal. Does this make sense to anyone? It can't, it's senseless!

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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Out of committee and passed now???
    Yes, the amendment has been passed and is now officially part of the Credit Card Reform Bill that Obama says we so desperately need.

    It may yet be torn out though, this has yet to go through the House.

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    Thank you, Dispatcher!
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
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    American Rattlesnake wrote:
    old dog wrote:
    AWD, could you expand on that?
    Not to put words in his mouth, but opposition to a politician simply due to party affiliation is kind of senseless. Oppose Reid due to his errors in governance, not because there is a "D" after his name.

    For example, my congressman is a Democrat who has staunchly opposed every single spending bill that's come through this year and has gone on the record opposing gun control measures. He has also supported every measure intended to increase individual liberty at the national level thus far. I am impressed with this man due to the record of his votes. He has not let party affiliation sway his sense of right and wrong. He represents his constituency.

    For what it's worth....
    ^that

    Parties are a joke. They both take your rights away, just on different ends. They've set you on fire at both ends and you're so pre-occupied withyour burning ass that you don't realize your hair is on fire too. That's the goal. Keep half the people looking one direction and half looking the other direction. Then no one sees the big picture and they spend too much time fighting amongst themselves to really change anything.

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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    Thank you, Dispatcher!
    No Problem.

    We are likely to see *very* quick action on this bill. Obama has told Congress that he wants the bill on his desk, ready to sign, before Memorial Day. (Because it's always been the Executive Branch's job to command the legislature. )

    Demo's are desperate, they may just shove it through. I mean there was almost no debate on the amendment and even the most anti-gun demos voted for it.

    Pelosi is in the fire right now with her knowing about the torturing of prisoners and condoning it, then lying about it, then telling the country that the CIA is lying about everything now. She does not want bad press.

    The DC Voting Rights bill got sidetracked because it was not a pressing issue. It's something the Demo's could wait on.

    The Demo's do *not* want to look complacent on the economy, they perceive it to be the only edge they have over the Republicans

    This is one of Obams's biggest pet projects right now, he'll likely sign it, even with the amendment.

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    Thanks for the updates, Dispatcher. I half hope it passes so that we can get the National Park issue cleared up finally. I half hope it chokes, 'cause I am not at all interested in the credit card part of the bill. We'll see.

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    American Rattlesnake wrote:
    Thanks for the updates, Dispatcher. I half hope it passes so that we can get the National Park issue cleared up finally. I half hope it chokes, 'cause I am not at all interested in the credit card part of the bill. We'll see.
    Instead of advocating personal/financial responsibility and accountability (People need to read the fine print! If you can't afford the card, don't get it.), Obama wants even more government interference.

    With Obama the government is like a big balloon, every time he huffs and puffs all it does is grow larger.... but balloons can only hold so much hot air until they burst.

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    I believe this ammendment/bill is a non-issue for the gun grabbers, and will pass without a fuss. I don't think the gun grabbers give a rats butt about this amendment, because they are working on gun grabbing measures that will make National Park carry entirely irrelevant.


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    Of course there are Democrats who are reliable defenders and Republicans who are not. Montana's governor leaps to mind. But permit me a point that you will probably see as tortured:

    The race is not always to the swift nor the battle to the strong -- but that's the way to bet.

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