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    update: I see someone already posted on this bill here, please delete this thread.

    In particular, note the Missouri DHS memo that suggests who are potential terrorists. If you get put on the arbitrary "suspected/potential terrorist list" for being a right wing, liberty loving gun owner, kiss your guns goodbye. I don't see how this bill will withstand judicial scrutiny, however. Obama is only going to be able to replace a liberal judge with a liberal judge.

    "Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, told WorldNetDaily the bill will likely be used in junction with the DHS “Rightwing Extremism” report that characterizes advocates of the Second Amendment and others as terrorists. “By those standards, I’m one of [DHS Secretary] Janet Napolitano’s terrorists,” Pratt said. “This bill would enable the attorney general to put all of the people who voted against Obama on no-gun lists, because according to the DHS, they’re all potential terrorists.”"

    I wonder if the DHS will be issuing German made jack boots complete with spiked heels to BATF SWAT teams to enforce this bill? I think it would be a nice touch.

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    Former Top Rated NRA Senator to Introduce Gun Ban This Week
    Kurt Nimmo
    Infowars
    May 11, 2009 Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, Democrat and member of the so-called Blue Dog Coalition, plans to introduce an assault weapons ban this week. Gillibrand, the junior senator from New York, was at one time highly rated by the NRA for her advocacy of the Second Amendment.






    Senator Kirsten Gillibrand poses with fellow gun-grabber Hillary Clinton.

    Newsday claims Gillibrand has “undergone a transformation” over the last three months and has moved away from “her House record that won the NRA’s top rating while remaining a supporter of Second Amendment rights to gun ownership.” Since her Senate appointment, she has “passed just about every test on guns set by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy,” who reintroduced a bill closing the so-called gun-show loophole at a news conference last week.
    It appears likely Ms. Gillibrand was a gun-grabber all along and used the Second Amendment as an election ploy. Polls indicate a large percentage of voters strongly support the Second Amendment.
    McCarthy’s bill, H.R. 6676, would utilize the National Instant Criminal Background Check System for background checks on all gun store employees and dealers. In addition to H.R. 6676, three other bills have been offered including laws that would make it illegal for known or suspected terrorists to buy guns.
    As reported by Infowars last week, the House is currently working on H.R. 2159, The Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009, sponsored by Rep. Peter King of New York. The bill would “increase public safety by permitting the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of firearms or explosives licenses to a known or suspected dangerous terrorist.”
    Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, told WorldNetDaily the bill will likely be used in junction with the DHS “Rightwing Extremism” report that characterizes advocates of the Second Amendment and others as terrorists. “By those standards, I’m one of [DHS Secretary] Janet Napolitano’s terrorists,” Pratt said. “This bill would enable the attorney general to put all of the people who voted against Obama on no-gun lists, because according to the DHS, they’re all potential terrorists.”
    Senator Gillibrand is working closely with gun-grabbing organizations, including New Yorkers Against Gun Violence and the Brady Campaign, according to Matt Canter, Gillibrand’s spokesman. New York City Police Commissioner Ray Kelly and others are working with Gillibrand on “anti-trafficking legislation to stop the flow of illegal guns,” Canter told Newsday.
    The Obama administration recently attempted to link the right to own firearms to drug cartel violence in Mexico. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and other administration officials have said 90 percent of the weapons used to commit crimes in Mexico come from the United States. In fact, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S. Statistics reveal that most of the guns flowing into Mexico come from the black market, Russian crime organizations, South America, Asia, Guatemala, and the Mexican Army.
    Soon after his shoo-in confirmation, Attorney General Eric Holder revived the assault weapons ban debate. Responding to a reporter’s question on weapons’ regulations, Holder said, “Well, as President Obama indicated during the campaign, there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons. I think that will have a positive impact in Mexico, at a minimum.” Holder did not provide details on when legislation would be presented to Congress. Democrats are reluctant to make additional attacks against the Second Amendment. In 1994, the issue was instrumental in handing over control of Congress to the Republicans. Earlier this year, the Democratic-led Senate dealt a body blow to the gun control movement, when 22 Senate Democrats, led by Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., joined 40 Republicans to shelve firearms restrictions in the nation’s capital.
    Democrats fearful of backlash have told the Obama administration they would “actively oppose” any renewal of the assault weapons ban. Democrat senators Jon Tester and Max Baucus warned they would “strongly oppose any legislation that will infringe upon the rights of individual gun owners.”
    Democrats, however, are biding their time. Veteran gun-grabber Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a California Democrat, author of the 1994 assault weapons ban, told CBS’ “60 Minutes” on April 12 that she has no intention of reintroducing the assault weapons ban at this time. “I’ll pick the time and the place, no question about it,” she said, that is to say when the opportunistic introduction of such legislation is politically expedient and will not damage her party.
    Government propaganda and exploitation of recent high profile “gun violence” stories by the corporate media have not turned the public against the Second Amendment. “Recent polls show shrinking support for new gun control measures and strong public sentiment for enforcing existing laws instead. So strong is the shift in public opinion that a proposed assault-weapons ban — once backed by three in four Americans — now rates barely one in two,” reports the Houston Chronicle.
    An April poll by NBC News and the Wall Street Journal found that support for curbing the sale of assault weapons and semiautomatic rifles has dropped from 75 percent in 1991 to 53 percent today.

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    <proudly displays badge of "domestic terrorist" to the definition attributed it by the illegal alien Resident and his handlers>
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    Here it comes.

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    MuellerBadener wrote:
    Here it comes.
    Let us hope not. but if so, then:

    FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!

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    Please write your federal representative! This Is something we need to try and get stamped out completely.


    From : http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.2159.IH:



    Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)
    HR 2159 IH
    111th CONGRESS 1st Session H. R. 2159
    To increase public safety by permitting the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of firearms or explosives licenses to a known or suspected dangerous terrorist.
    IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
    April 29, 2009 Mr. KING of New York (for himself, Mr. RANGEL, Mr. CASTLE, Mrs. MCCARTHY of New York, Mr. KIRK, Mr. MORAN of Virginia, and Mr. SMITH of New Jersey) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
    [line] A BILL
    To increase public safety by permitting the Attorney General to deny the transfer of a firearm or the issuance of firearms or explosives licenses to a known or suspected dangerous terrorist.
    • Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
    SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
    • This Act may be cited as the `Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2009'.
    SEC. 2. GRANTING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THE AUTHORITY TO DENY THE SALE, DELIVERY, OR TRANSFER OF A FIREARM OR THE ISSUANCE OF A FIREARMS OR EXPLOSIVES LICENSE OR PERMIT TO DANGEROUS TERRORISTS.
    • (a) Standard for Exercising Attorney General Discretion Regarding Transferring Firearms or Issuing Firearms Permits to Dangerous Terrorists- Chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended--
      • (1) by inserting the following new section after section 922:
    `Sec. 922A. Attorney General's discretion to deny transfer of a firearm
    • `The Attorney General may deny the transfer of a firearm pursuant to section 922(t)(1)(B)(ii) if the Attorney General determines that the transferee is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or have been engaged in conduct constituting, in preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support thereof, and the Attorney General has a reasonable belief that the prospective transferee may use a firearm in connection with terrorism.';
      • (2) by inserting the following new section after section 922A:
    `Sec. 922B. Attorney General's discretion regarding applicants for firearm permits which would qualify for the exemption provided under section 922(t)(3)
    • `The Attorney General may determine that an applicant for a firearm permit which would qualify for an exemption under section 922(t) is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or have been engaged in conduct constituting, in preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support thereof, and the Attorney General has a reasonable belief that the applicant may use a firearm in connection with terrorism.'; and
      • (3) in section 921(a), by adding at the end the following:
    • `(36) The term `terrorism' means `international terrorism' as defined in section 2331(1), and `domestic terrorism' as defined in section 2331(5).
    • `(37) The term `material support' means `material support or resources' within the meaning of section 2339A or 2339B.
    • `(38) The term `responsible person' means an individual who has the power, directly or indirectly, to direct or cause the direction of the management and policies of the applicant or licensee pertaining to firearms.'.
    • (b) Effect of Attorney General Discretionary Denial Through the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) on Firearms Permits- Section 922(t) of such title is amended--
      • (1) in paragraph (1)(B)(ii), by inserting `or State law, or that the Attorney General has determined to deny the transfer of a firearm pursuant to section 922A' before the semicolon;
      • (2) in paragraph (2), by inserting after `or State law' the following: `or if the Attorney General has not determined to deny the transfer of a firearm pursuant to section 922A';
      • (3) in paragraph (3)(A)(i)--
        • (A) by striking `and' at the end of subclause (I); and
        • (B) by adding at the end the following:
      • `(III) was issued after a check of the system established pursuant to paragraph (1);';
      • (4) in paragraph (3)(A)--
        • (A) by adding `and' at the end of clause (ii); and
        • (B) by adding after and below the end the following:
          • `(iii) the State issuing the permit agrees to deny the permit application if such other person is the subject of a determination by the Attorney General pursuant to section 922B;';
      • (5) in paragraph (4), by inserting after `or State law,' the following: `or if the Attorney General has not determined to deny the transfer of a firearm pursuant to section 922A,'; and
      • (6) in paragraph (5), by inserting after `or State law,' the following: `or if the Attorney General has determined to deny the transfer of a firearm pursuant to section 922A,'.
    • (c) Unlawful Sale or Disposition of Firearm Based on Attorney General Discretionary Denial- Section 922(d) of such title is amended--
      • (1) by striking `or' at the end of paragraph (8);
      • (2) by striking the period at the end of paragraph (9) and inserting `; or';
      • (3) by inserting after paragraph (9) the following:
      • `(10) has been the subject of a determination by the Attorney General pursuant to section 922A, 922B, 923(d)(1)(H), or 923(e) of this title.'.
    • (d) Attorney General Discretionary Denial as Prohibitor- Section 922(g) of such title is amended--
      • (1) by striking `or' at the end of paragraph (8);
      • (2) by striking the comma at the end of paragraph (9) and inserting; `; or'; and
      • (3) by inserting after paragraph (9) the following:
      • `(10) who has received actual notice of the Attorney General's determination made pursuant to section 922A, 922B, 923(d)(1)(H), or 923(e) of this title.'.
    • (e) Attorney General Discretionary Denial of Federal Firearms Licenses- Section 923(d)(1) of such title is amended--
      • (1) by striking `Any' and inserting `Except as provided in subparagraph (H), any';
      • (2) in subparagraph (F)(iii), by striking `and' at the end;
      • (3) in subparagraph (G), by striking the period and inserting `; and'; and
      • (4) by adding at the end the following:
        • `(H) The Attorney General may deny a license application if the Attorney General determines that the applicant (including any responsible person) is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or have been engaged in conduct constituting, in preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support thereof, and the Attorney General has a reasonable belief that the applicant may use a firearm in connection with terrorism.'.
    • (f) Discretionary Revocation of Federal Firearms Licenses- Section 923(e) of such title is amended--
      • (1) in the 1st sentence--
        • (A) by inserting after `revoke' the following: `--(1)'; and
        • (B) by striking the period and inserting a semicolon;
      • (2) in the 2nd sentence--
        • (A) by striking `The Attorney General may, after notice and opportunity for hearing, revoke' and insert `(2)'; and
        • (B) by striking the period and inserting `; or'; and
      • (3) by adding at the end the following:
      • `(3) any license issued under this section if the Attorney General determines that the holder of the license (including any responsible person) is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or have been engaged in conduct constituting, in preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support thereof, and the Attorney General has a reasonable belief that the applicant may use a firearm in connection with terrorism.'.
    • (g) Attorney General's Ability To Withhold Information in Firearms License Denial and Revocation Suit- Section 923(f) of such title is amended--
      • (1) in the 1st sentence of paragraph (1), by inserting `, except that if the denial or revocation is pursuant to subsection (d)(1)(H) or (e)(3), then any information on which the Attorney General relied for this determination may be withheld from the petitioner if the Attorney General determines that disclosure of the information would likely compromise national security' before the period; and
      • (2) in paragraph (3), by inserting after the 3rd sentence the following: `With respect to any information withheld from the aggrieved party under paragraph (1), the United States may submit, and the court may rely on, summaries or redacted versions of documents containing information the disclosure of which the Attorney General has determined would likely compromise national security.'.
    • (h) Attorney General's Ability To Withhold Information in Relief From Disabilities Lawsuits- Section 925(c) of such title is amended by inserting after the 3rd sentence the following: `If receipt of a firearms by the person would violate section 922(g)(10), any information which the Attorney General relied on for this determination may be withheld from the applicant if the Attorney General determines that disclosure of the information would likely compromise national security. In responding to the petition, the United States may submit, and the court may rely on, summaries or redacted versions of documents containing information the disclosure of which the Attorney General has determined would likely compromise national security.'.
    • (i) Penalties- Section 924(k) of such title is amended--
      • (1) by striking `or' at the end of paragraph (2);
      • (2) in paragraph (3), by striking `, or' and inserting `; or'; and
      • (3) by inserting after paragraph (3) the following:
      • `(4) constitutes an act of terrorism (as defined in section 921(a)(36)), or material support thereof (as defined in section 921(a)(37)), or'.
    • (j) Remedy for Erroneous Denial of Firearm or Firearm Permit Exemption- Section 925A of such title is amended--
      • (1) in the section heading, by striking `Remedy for erroneous denial of firearm' and inserting `Remedies';
      • (2) by striking `Any person denied a firearm pursuant to subsection (s) or (t) of section 922' and inserting the following:
    • `(a) Except as provided in subsection (b), any person denied a firearm pursuant to section 922(t) or pursuant to a determination made under section 922B,'; and
      • (3) by adding after and below the end the following:
    • `(b) In any case in which the Attorney General has denied the transfer of a firearm to a prospective transferee pursuant to section 922A or has made a determination regarding a firearm permit applicant pursuant to section 922B, an action challenging the determination may be brought against the United States. The petition must be filed not later than 60 days after the petitioner has received actual notice of the Attorney General's determination made pursuant to section 922A or 922B. The court shall sustain the Attorney General's determination on a showing by the United States by a preponderance of evidence that the Attorney General's determination satisfied the requirements of section 922A or 922B. To make this showing, the United States may submit, and the court may rely on, summaries or redacted versions of documents containing information the disclosure of which the Attorney General has determined would likely compromise national security. On request of the petitioner or the court's own motion, the court may review the full, undisclosed documents ex parte and in camera. The court shall determine whether the summaries or redacted versions, as the case may be, are fair and accurate representations of the underlying documents. The court shall not consider the full, undisclosed documents in deciding whether the Attorney General's determination satisfies the requirements of section 922A or 922B.'.
    • (k) Provision of Grounds Underlying Ineligibility Determination by the National Instant Criminal Background Check System- Section 103 of the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (Public Law 103-159) is amended--
      • (1) in subsection (f)--
        • (A) by inserting after `is ineligible to receive a firearm,' the following: `or the Attorney General has made a determination regarding an applicant for a firearm permit pursuant to section 922B of title 18, United States Code'; and
        • (B) by inserting after `the system shall provide such reasons to the individual,' the following: `except for any information the disclosure of which the Attorney General has determined would likely compromise national security'; and
      • (2) in subsection (g)--
        • (A) in the 1st sentence, by inserting after `subsection (g) or (n) of section 922 of title 18, United States Code or State law' the following: `or if the Attorney General has made a determination pursuant to section 922A or 922B of such title,';
        • (B) by inserting `, except any information the disclosure of which the Attorney General has determined would likely compromise national security' before the period; and
        • (C) by adding at the end the following: `Any petition for review of information withheld by the Attorney General under this subsection shall be made in accordance with section 925A of title 18, United States Code.'.
    • (l) Unlawful Distribution of Explosives Based on Attorney General Discretionary Denial- Section 842(d) of such title is amended--
      • (1) by striking the period at the end of paragraph (9) and inserting `; or'; and
      • (2) by adding at the end the following:
      • `(10) has received actual notice of the Attorney General's determination made pursuant to section 843(b)(8) or (d)(2) of this title.'.
    • (m) Attorney General Discretionary Denial as Prohibitor- Section 842(i) of such title is amended--
      • (1) by adding `or' at the end of paragraph (7); and
      • (2) by inserting after paragraph (7) the following:
      • `(8) who has received actual notice of the Attorney General's determination made pursuant to section 843(b)(8) or (d)(2),'.
    • (n) Attorney General Discretionary Denial of Federal Explosives Licenses and Permits- Section 843(b) of such title is amended--
      • (1) by striking `Upon' and inserting the following: `Except as provided in paragraph (8), on'; and
      • (2) by inserting after paragraph (7) the following:
      • `(8) The Attorney General may deny the issuance of a permit or license to an applicant if the Attorney General determines that the applicant or a responsible person or employee possessor thereof is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or have been engaged in conduct constituting, in preparation of, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support thereof, and the Attorney General has a reasonable belief that the person may use explosives in connection with terrorism.'.
    • (o) Attorney General Discretionary Revocation of Federal Explosives Licenses and Permits- Section 843(d) of such title is amended--
      • (1) by inserting `(1)' in the first sentence after `if'; and
      • (2) by striking the period at the end of the first sentence and inserting the following: `; or (2) the Attorney General determines that the licensee or holder (or any responsible person or employee possessor thereof) is known (or appropriately suspected) to be or have been engaged in conduct constituting, in preparation for, in aid of, or related to terrorism, or providing material support thereof, and that the Attorney General has a reasonable belief that the person may use explosives in connection with terrorism.'.
    • (p) Attorney General's Ability To Withhold Information in Explosives License and Permit Denial and Revocation Suits- Section 843(e) of such title is amended--
      • (1) in the 1st sentence of paragraph (1), by inserting `except that if the denial or revocation is based on a determination under subsection (b)(8) or (d)(2), then any information which the Attorney General relied on for the determination may be withheld from the petitioner if the Attorney General determines that disclosure of the information would likely compromise national security' before the period; and
      • (2) in paragraph (2), by adding at the end the following: `In responding to any petition for review of a denial or revocation based on a determination under section 843(b)(8) or (d)(2), the United States may submit, and the court may rely on, summaries or redacted versions of documents containing information the disclosure of which the Attorney General has determined would likely compromise national security.'.
    • (q) Ability To Withhold Information in Communications to Employers- Section 843(h)(2) of such title is amended--
      • (1) in subparagraph (A), by inserting `or section 843(b)(1) (on grounds of terrorism) of this title,' after `section 842(i),'; and
      • (2) in subparagraph (B)--
        • (A) by inserting `or section 843(b)(8)' after `section 842(i)'; and
        • (B) in clause (ii), by inserting `, except that any information that the Attorney General relied on for a determination pursuant to section 843(b)(8) may be withheld if the Attorney General concludes that disclosure of the information would likely compromise national security' before the semicolon.
    • (r) Conforming Amendment to Immigration and Nationality Act- Section 101(a)(43)(E)(ii) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(43)(E)(ii)) is amended by striking ` or (5)' and inserting `(5), or (10)'.


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    wylde007 wrote:
    <proudly displays badge of "domestic terrorist" to the definition attributed it by the illegal alien Resident and his handlers>
    As I always say, not terrorist, but Freedom Fighter.

    Some people say that one man’s terrorist is another man's freedom fighter... I say poppycock!!! You cannot be called a Freedom Fighter unless you're fighting for Freedom. I can safely say that the Islamists are not Freedom Fighters; they are Fighting for the right to subjugate everyone to their will, same as the Democrats in our Country. I call that Terrorism.

    The word terrorist comes from the French Revolutionary times when certain factions of the Revolutionary government had a ‘reign of terror’ imposed on the people of France… terrorist was originally government… and still is.
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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    wylde007 wrote:
    <proudly displays badge of "domestic terrorist" to the definition attributed it by the illegal alien Resident and his handlers>
    As I always say, not terrorist, but Freedom Fighter.

    Some people say that one man’s terrorist is another man's freedom fighter... I say poppycock!!! You cannot be called a Freedom Fighter unless you're fighting for Freedom. I can safely say that the Islamists are not Freedom Fighters; they are Fighting for the right to subjugate everyone to their will, same as the Democrats in our Country. I call that Terrorism.

    The word terrorist comes from the French Revolutionary times when certain factions of the Revolutionary government had a ‘reign of terror’ imposed on the people of France… terrorist was originally government… and still is.
    And the Taliban was essentially the government of Afgahnistan, prior to their being routed out by coalition forces.

    I just realised after reading this bill (HR 2159) that the AG could shut down every gun dealer in the country by revoking their FFL's on grounds that they have been "providing material support thereof" (selling firearms to"suspected terrorists").

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    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/25684.html

    Three threads on the same bill.

    Hopefully, everyone isn't simply talking about it. Go to that link and do something about it! Pete

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    Does this mean that Gentle Terrorists won't be denied firearms?

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    This is pretty disgusting. The dems were adamantly against allowing Ashcroft to violate the privacy of suspected terrorists. Now they're ready to give Holder the power to arbitrarily suspend the constitutional rights of people.
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    PrayingForWar wrote:
    This is pretty disgusting. The demsare adamantly against allowing our government to violate the privacy of suspected terrorists.But they're more thanready to give Holder the power to arbitrarily suspend the constitutional rights of American Citizens.
    Fixed
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    A bit - just a bit I promise OT but yall know about the brouhaha between Pelosi and the CIA? Yep, Nancy go caught lying and the CIA is effing right back at her. Well guess what? There is no love lost between Secretatiat of State Hilary and Nancy. No thats to gentle, they hate each other. What does that have to do with it? The head of the CIA is Leon Panetta, who is to the Clintons what Heydrich was to Himmler. Nancy may be headed for the door. :celebrate

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    A bit - just a bit I promise OT but yall know about the brouhaha between Pelosi and the CIA? Yep, Nancy go caught lying and the CIA is effing right back at her. Well guess what? There is no love lost between Secretatiat of State Hilary and Nancy. No thats to gentle, they hate each other. What does that have to do with it? The head of the CIA is Leon Panetta, who is to the Clintons what Heydrich was to Himmler. Nancy may be headed for the door. :celebrate
    I'll pay her $5 a day to stand in my garden, to scare the varmits away.

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    A bit - just a bit I promise OT but yall know about the brouhaha between Pelosi and the CIA? Yep, Nancy go caught lying and the CIA is effing right back at her. Well guess what? There is no love lost between Secretatiat of State Hilary and Nancy. No thats to gentle, they hate each other. What does that have to do with it? The head of the CIA is Leon Panetta, who is to the Clintons what Heydrich was to Himmler. Nancy may be headed for the door. :celebrate
    I'll pay her $5 a day to stand in my garden, to scare the varmits away.
    She'd just wilt your flowers and rot your veggies. Besides, you could use that $5 for ammo.

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    Task Force 16 wrote:
    Alexcabbie wrote:
    A bit - just a bit I promise OT but yall know about the brouhaha between Pelosi and the CIA? Yep, Nancy go caught lying and the CIA is effing right back at her. Well guess what? There is no love lost between Secretatiat of State Hilary and Nancy. No thats to gentle, they hate each other. What does that have to do with it? The head of the CIA is Leon Panetta, who is to the Clintons what Heydrich was to Himmler. Nancy may be headed for the door. :celebrate
    I'll pay her $5 a day to stand in my garden, to scare the varmits away.
    She'd just wilt your flowers and rot your veggies. Besides, you could use that $5 for ammo.
    If you can find any ammo...

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    Washintonian_For_Liberty wrote:
    wylde007 wrote:
    <proudly displays badge of "domestic terrorist" to the definition attributed it by the illegal alien Resident and his handlers>
    As I always say, not terrorist, but Freedom Fighter.

    Some people say that one man’s terrorist is another man's freedom fighter... I say poppycock!!! You cannot be called a Freedom Fighter unless you're fighting for Freedom. I can safely say that the Islamists are not Freedom Fighters; they are Fighting for the right to subjugate everyone to their will, same as the Democrats in our Country. I call that Terrorism.

    The word terrorist comes from the French Revolutionary times when certain factions of the Revolutionary government had a ‘reign of terror’ imposed on the people of France… terrorist was originally government… and still is.
    Not terrorists, but Tyrants. If you read the founders letters tyranny is the total control of citizens by disarmament. Hence the "Shot heard round the world" "T'was the 18th of April in "75" and barely a man is still alive" Concord Bridge. To Arms! To Arms! The Redcoats are coming!! In this case, it's the BATFE and the Attorney General and that ilk. Boys and girls, watch your 6, it's beginning. Freedom Fighters indeed.
    Keep your powder dry !
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson

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