mark edward marchiafava
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Bill of Particulars.
Bill of Particulars.
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Man arrested for 10k rounds in car (MA)
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FMCDH
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metalman383 wrote:
Large Capacity Feeding Devices:
The sale, offering for sale, transfer or possession of large capacity feeding devices for assault weapons (as defined under Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 140, § 121), is prohibited unless such device was lawfully possessed on September 13, 1994. Ch. 140, § 131M.
Under Massachusetts law, a “large capacity feeding device” is defined as: “(i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994.” Ch. 140, § 121.
metalman383 wrote:
Bad wording I am thinking, they probably meant a "high capacity feeding device" which indeed is against the law in Massachusetts. Check out http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/massachusetts.pdf for the full text and links.
Large Capacity Feeding Devices:
The sale, offering for sale, transfer or possession of large capacity feeding devices for assault weapons (as defined under Mass. Gen. Laws ch. 140, § 121), is prohibited unless such device was lawfully possessed on September 13, 1994. Ch. 140, § 131M.
Under Massachusetts law, a “large capacity feeding device” is defined as: “(i) a fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than ten rounds of ammunition or more than five shotgun shells; or (ii) a large capacity ammunition feeding device as defined in the federal Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, 18 U.S.C. section 921(a)(31) as appearing in such section on September 13, 1994.” Ch. 140, § 121.
TechnoWeenie
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redlegagent wrote:
MS-13 is from El Salvador...
Mara Salvatrucha
It originated from El Salvador then migrated to Arizona and the L.A. area - despite popular belief that it started in L.A.
redlegagent wrote:
Obviously he just a buyer for some gang. Where would some peon who works in a bakery get $25,000 in cash plus probably double that worth of ammo?? Giving that he's from Dominican Republic I wouldn't bet if he was buying for MS-13. They probably have something over him and forced him to do it so if he get caught - some doughnut baker gets deported and if not - they just got a ton of ammo.
MS-13 is from El Salvador...
Mara Salvatrucha
It originated from El Salvador then migrated to Arizona and the L.A. area - despite popular belief that it started in L.A.
MarkNH
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In Massachusetts it is illegal to possess a firearm capable of accepting a magazine with a capacity greater than 10 rounds unless you have a License to Carry Class A (LTC-A).
Definition:
A new resident of Massachusetts has 60 days from when they move to acquire a LTC or FID (firearm identification card), the FID is shall-issue and only allows low-capacity rifles and shotguns but the LTC is may-issue at the discretion of the local chief of police.
The situation is further complicated because the guy is not yet a Citizen and non-Citizens are only allowed FIDs not LTCs in MA so he would not have been able to get a LTC within the 60 days to make his handguns legal.
With regards to the ammo there is a law in MA that requires a permit from the local fire department if you want to possess more than 10k rounds of rimfire, 10k centerfire or 5k shotgun shells.
He has also been charged with 3 counts of unlawful storage - in MA if a gun isn't directly under your control it needs to be in a locked container or have a trigger lock (or similar device) installed.
Of the three charges (high-capacity, ammo, storage) the storage charges are the ones most likely to get him locked up. The punishment for each count of unlawful storage is 2.5 to 10 years in prison and/or a fine of $5000-$10000.
So in other words yes the guy broke one or more laws that he probably knew nothing about and they are using that to keep him locked up while they see if they can find something else. Even if they find no connection to smuggling he is screwed on the storage charges and will likely spend years in jail before being deported.
For anyone moving to another State (especially a liberal shithole like MA) - please remember that each State has different laws and something as simple as storage of a weapon or possession of pepper spray (also illegal in MA without a FID) can get you locked up for a long time and cost you your second amendment right for life.
In Massachusetts it is illegal to possess a firearm capable of accepting a magazine with a capacity greater than 10 rounds unless you have a License to Carry Class A (LTC-A).
Definition:
A new resident of Massachusetts has 60 days from when they move to acquire a LTC or FID (firearm identification card), the FID is shall-issue and only allows low-capacity rifles and shotguns but the LTC is may-issue at the discretion of the local chief of police.
The situation is further complicated because the guy is not yet a Citizen and non-Citizens are only allowed FIDs not LTCs in MA so he would not have been able to get a LTC within the 60 days to make his handguns legal.
With regards to the ammo there is a law in MA that requires a permit from the local fire department if you want to possess more than 10k rounds of rimfire, 10k centerfire or 5k shotgun shells.
He has also been charged with 3 counts of unlawful storage - in MA if a gun isn't directly under your control it needs to be in a locked container or have a trigger lock (or similar device) installed.
Of the three charges (high-capacity, ammo, storage) the storage charges are the ones most likely to get him locked up. The punishment for each count of unlawful storage is 2.5 to 10 years in prison and/or a fine of $5000-$10000.
So in other words yes the guy broke one or more laws that he probably knew nothing about and they are using that to keep him locked up while they see if they can find something else. Even if they find no connection to smuggling he is screwed on the storage charges and will likely spend years in jail before being deported.
For anyone moving to another State (especially a liberal shithole like MA) - please remember that each State has different laws and something as simple as storage of a weapon or possession of pepper spray (also illegal in MA without a FID) can get you locked up for a long time and cost you your second amendment right for life.
Mike
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MarkNH wrote:
What about a new resident moving to MA with a handgun - is a license required? grace period?
MarkNH wrote:
Please explain abbreviations: LTC = ?
What about a new resident moving to MA with a handgun - is a license required? grace period?
mark edward marchiafava
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license to carry
license to carry
MarkNH
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Mike wrote:
In Massachusetts all gun owners have to be licensed and licenses are issued by your local chief of police. Without a license just about everything is illegal including possession of pepper spray and possession of any ammunition component (including spent brass :shock
You can get a FID (firearm identification card) which is shall-issue and allows the possession of rifles and shotguns with a capacity of 10 rounds or less.
You can also get a LTC (license to carry) which is issued at the discretion of the police chief - he may not give you one, he may give you a class B which allows possession of low capacity handguns, or he may issue a class A license which allows possession of high capacity firearms and magazines. LTCs can further be limited to restrict possession to employment only (i.e. security guards), sporting (i.e. target practice) etc but the holy grail of gun owners in MA is getting a LTC class A "all lawful purposes" which allows concealed carry.
New residents are exempt from the licensing requirements for 60 days from when they establish residency in Massachusetts. The local chief is supposed to issue a license within 40 days but many of them take months to issue a license, in my opinion it is best therefore to leave your gun in your old state of residence until you have a license in your hand.
The Massachusetts Gun Owners Action League (GOAL) is a great organization that has lots of information on MA gun laws:
http://www.goal.org/misc/faq/overview.html
Mike wrote:
LTC = License to Carry (although it may not allow you to carry a handgun, see later).
In Massachusetts all gun owners have to be licensed and licenses are issued by your local chief of police. Without a license just about everything is illegal including possession of pepper spray and possession of any ammunition component (including spent brass :shock
You can get a FID (firearm identification card) which is shall-issue and allows the possession of rifles and shotguns with a capacity of 10 rounds or less.
You can also get a LTC (license to carry) which is issued at the discretion of the police chief - he may not give you one, he may give you a class B which allows possession of low capacity handguns, or he may issue a class A license which allows possession of high capacity firearms and magazines. LTCs can further be limited to restrict possession to employment only (i.e. security guards), sporting (i.e. target practice) etc but the holy grail of gun owners in MA is getting a LTC class A "all lawful purposes" which allows concealed carry.
New residents are exempt from the licensing requirements for 60 days from when they establish residency in Massachusetts. The local chief is supposed to issue a license within 40 days but many of them take months to issue a license, in my opinion it is best therefore to leave your gun in your old state of residence until you have a license in your hand.
The Massachusetts Gun Owners Action League (GOAL) is a great organization that has lots of information on MA gun laws:
http://www.goal.org/misc/faq/overview.html
ODA 226
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bugly wrote:
Bugly,
Properly manufactured and stored ammo RARELY goes bad. In the Former Yugoslavia, I fired .45 ACP rounds that were produced in 1938 and werecached in the ground from 1945 until 1991, through a Thompson SMG that had beencached with that very same ammo. Both the weapon and the ammo functioned perfectly.
Just something to think about.
bugly wrote:
Bugly,
Properly manufactured and stored ammo RARELY goes bad. In the Former Yugoslavia, I fired .45 ACP rounds that were produced in 1938 and werecached in the ground from 1945 until 1991, through a Thompson SMG that had beencached with that very same ammo. Both the weapon and the ammo functioned perfectly.
Just something to think about.
Dustin
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codename_47 wrote:
yankees98a wrote:
codename_47 wrote:
yankees98a wrote:
Thundar
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metalman383 wrote:
metalman383 wrote:
Since he moved from the free state of New Hampshire to the People's Republik of Massatwoshits.
PT111
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MarkNH wrote:
MarkNH wrote:
Since most Glock's or similar pistols can accept mags with greater than 10 round capacity are they illegal. Or is there a difference in the 10 round models and 17 rounders besides just mag capacity?
smoking357
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When are we going to realize that our greatest enemy are the police?
When are we going to realize that our greatest enemy are the police?
mark edward marchiafava
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Smoking 357,
I realized that some 30 years ago.
The truly sad part is, when I try to teach that simple concept, even HERE,
I get ridiculed/insulted.
As the late Jerry Clower often said, "there's no shame in BEIN stupid, the shame's in STAYIN stupid."
Obviously, Mr. Clower visited this board.
Smoking 357,
I realized that some 30 years ago.
The truly sad part is, when I try to teach that simple concept, even HERE,
I get ridiculed/insulted.
As the late Jerry Clower often said, "there's no shame in BEIN stupid, the shame's in STAYIN stupid."
Obviously, Mr. Clower visited this board.
MarkNH
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PT111 wrote:
In addition MA still has an assault weapon ban so any >10 capacity magazines must have been made on or before Sept 13th 1994.
There are also a ton of crazy laws concerning handguns and whether they are MA complaint, in order to be sold by a MA FFL to a resident (who is not a LEO) a handgun must either have been registered in MA on/before 10/21/98 or have been submitted by the manufacturer and passed a bunch of safety testing.
Glocks haven't passed testing so the only Glocks you can own in MA are ones that are pre 10/21/98, or ones that have been brought into MA by an incoming resident (these can be sold FTF, and 4 FTF transfers are allowed per person per year).
The most modern handguns that aren't certified to be sold in MA command high prices in FTF sales and can take a while to find one for sale (springfield XDs are a good example of this).
(again all the above is what I recall of MA law and may not be 100% correct, corrections to any inaccuracies are appreciated)
PT111 wrote:
They are illegal to possess unless you have a LTC-A.
In addition MA still has an assault weapon ban so any >10 capacity magazines must have been made on or before Sept 13th 1994.
There are also a ton of crazy laws concerning handguns and whether they are MA complaint, in order to be sold by a MA FFL to a resident (who is not a LEO) a handgun must either have been registered in MA on/before 10/21/98 or have been submitted by the manufacturer and passed a bunch of safety testing.
Glocks haven't passed testing so the only Glocks you can own in MA are ones that are pre 10/21/98, or ones that have been brought into MA by an incoming resident (these can be sold FTF, and 4 FTF transfers are allowed per person per year).
The most modern handguns that aren't certified to be sold in MA command high prices in FTF sales and can take a while to find one for sale (springfield XDs are a good example of this).
(again all the above is what I recall of MA law and may not be 100% correct, corrections to any inaccuracies are appreciated)
Rattrapper
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The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts, Is in deed a communist state with its own version of the KGB assisted by The Stazi. That state has "The Balls to call it self the cradle of Liberty" The founding fathers are rolling in thier graves. I defected from that state to New Hampshire, and soon to retire as well. Those gun laws are nothing but bulls**t and any one that goes out of thier way to enforce them are a**holes.
The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts, Is in deed a communist state with its own version of the KGB assisted by The Stazi. That state has "The Balls to call it self the cradle of Liberty" The founding fathers are rolling in thier graves. I defected from that state to New Hampshire, and soon to retire as well. Those gun laws are nothing but bulls**t and any one that goes out of thier way to enforce them are a**holes.
FMCDH
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MarkNH wrote:
And I thought California was bad.
MarkNH wrote:
Wow, even worse than I thought.
And I thought California was bad.
Virginiaplanter
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Tomahawk wrote:
Tomahawk wrote:
"I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? ... They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other...Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston!" Patrick Henry
Jeff Hayes
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Just more reasons for not ever living anywhere that Elk do not naturally reside.
I feel sorry for the guy if he just did not know.
I hope they put him under the jail if he is purchasing for a gang.
Just more reasons for not ever living anywhere that Elk do not naturally reside.
I feel sorry for the guy if he just did not know.
I hope they put him under the jail if he is purchasing for a gang.
Tomahawk
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Virginiaplanter wrote:
Virginiaplanter wrote:
Well played sir!
KS_to_CA
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yankees98a wrote:
Yet it took them how long to count all 10K ammo? I would like to think it would be a lot faster to shoot 'em than to count 'em.
yankees98a wrote:
Yet it took them how long to count all 10K ammo? I would like to think it would be a lot faster to shoot 'em than to count 'em.