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    Can anyone tell me anything about the Virginia Gun Owners Coalition? I never heard of them until today. The website of Jerry Burch (Hanover delegate candidate) has a letter from the VGOC regarding their candidates survey.

    VGOC's website says that "Virginia Gun Owners Coalition is Virginia’s only no-compromise, non-partisan gun lobby patterned after Gun Owners of America on Capitol Hill." I take this to be an insult to VCDL, which I don't really understand (I would hardly consider VCDL to be "compromising" and "partisan").

    Any information would be appreciated.

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    Well, I'm a VCDL member and I have seen first-hand why I give $25 to VCDL each year. Monthly meeting in NoVA hosted by the org.'s president, yearly lobby day, VA-ALERT, etc.

    VCDL is routinely mentioned by VA politicians and newspapers as well. VCDL bugs the hell out of VA anti-gunners and that's enough for me alone to join.

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    IMHO - No compromise, no middle ground, all or nothing can get you just that.

    Better to have small pieces of the pie than none. The small pieces do add up.

    Sort of like winning converts to our cause - demand that they all come over and it likely won't happen but one at a time adds up - if we all do our job.

    VCDL is not just the president and the executive board - it is the collective strength of hundreds, thousands of active participants.

    The above is worth ten times what you paid for it but I for one do believe VCDL is the most effective group that we have promoting our 2nd Amend. rights on a state level and occasionally on a national level.

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    But more to the point, why have I never heard of VGOC before?

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    TexasNative wrote:
    But more to the point, why have I never heard of VGOC before?
    It looks like a new group. I didn't look at their lobby record, but I agree with Grapeshot. While VCDL is king, it doesn't hurt to have another voice.

    I am the President of Virginia Gun Owners Coalition. Our greatest success was working with a 20 state no-compromise coalition of state gun lobbies to stop the renewal of the hated Clinton Gun Ban. Our latest project is stopping Dangerous ID, the anti-gun, so-called Real ID citizen control scheme. I was Ron Paul's National Ballot Access Coordinator. Donna Holt has graciously agreed to assist me in helping lead Virginia patriots like you to restore our Constitution. It all starts with the precinct. I am tasked with appointing county and district leaders. I am asking God for wisdom in that critical task and I am very open to suggestions. However, at this point, I want to try TEMPORARILY appointing those precinct leaders who do the best job of mobilizing their counties and districts against the bail out.
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    TexasNative wrote:
    But more to the point, why have I never heard of VGOC before?
    You live in a cave on a mountain top with no modern conveniences?

    Or maybe that your friends are more enamored with other organizations.

    http://virginiagun.wordpress.com/about/

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    TexasNative wrote:
    But more to the point, why have I never heard of VGOC before?
    Here is a list of others you may not have heard of before either:
    http://gunowners.org/links.htm

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    I was looking for useful information, not reposting of links already in the thread, and condescending statements of the obvious, Grapeshot.

    In case my earlier question was confusing, I'll expand on it. Why isn't VGOC mentioned here in the Virginia forums much, if at all? You'd think that folks who are 2nd Amendment advocates would be talking up a group who also fights for our rights.

    We talk about VCDL all the time here. Why isn't VGOC hardly ever mentioned?

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    TexasNative wrote:
    I was looking for useful information, not reposting of links already in the thread, and condescending statements of the obvious, Grapeshot.

    In case my earlier question was confusing, I'll expand on it. Why isn't VGOC mentioned here in the Virginia forums much, if at all? You'd think that folks who are 2nd Amendment advocates would be talking up a group who also fights for our rights.

    We talk about VCDL all the time here. Why isn't VGOC hardly ever mentioned?

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    Wasn't attempting to get on your pre-coffee side.

    I'm not sure what "useful information" I can give to your question of "why."
    Maybe it has to do with style or attitude.
    Try VGOC and get as involved as you are inclined.

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Wasn't attempting to get on your pre-coffee side.
    I had the same reaction last night when I first read your responses, and I'd had a good night's sleep and a couple of mugs of coffee this morning before I finally responded. I don't think low caffeine levels are pertinent.

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    I'm not sure what 'useful information' I can give to your question of 'why.'
    Respectfully, then, maybe you should leave it to someone else if it's a question you can't answer.

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    TexasNative wrote:
    In case my earlier question was confusing, I'll expand on it. Why isn't VGOC mentioned here in the Virginia forums much, if at all? You'd think that folks who are 2nd Amendment advocates would be talking up a group who also fights for our rights.

    We talk about VCDL all the time here. Why isn't VGOC hardly ever mentioned?

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    Those are my thoughts exactly.

    Based on how far off the radar VGOC seems to be, it must either be new or ineffective. Or my radar is broken.

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    Based on the date of the earliest newsletter on their web site, they've been around since at least 2004, so it doesn't appear that they're new.

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    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


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    Thanks for the invitation, but I've got prior commitments this evening.

    Plus, I'm asking about VGOC, not Campaign for Liberty. Are they synonymous?

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    TexasNative wrote:
    But more to the point, why have I never heard of VGOC before?
    It looks like a new group. I didn't look at their lobby record, but I agree with Grapeshot. While VCDL is king, it doesn't hurt to have another voice.

    I am the President of Virginia Gun Owners Coalition. Our greatest success was working with a 20 state no-compromise coalition of state gun lobbies to stop the renewal of the hated Clinton Gun Ban. Our latest project is stopping Dangerous ID, the anti-gun, so-called Real ID citizen control scheme. I was Ron Paul's National Ballot Access Coordinator. Donna Holt has graciously agreed to assist me in helping lead Virginia patriots like you to restore our Constitution. It all starts with the precinct. I am tasked with appointing county and district leaders. I am asking God for wisdom in that critical task and I am very open to suggestions. However, at this point, I want to try TEMPORARILY appointing those precinct leaders who do the best job of mobilizing their counties and districts against the bail out.
    http://www.campaignforliberty.com/pr...ember=pmmchugh
    I'm not inviting, just posting info.
    I'm not a member of CFL or VCOG and will not be attending the dinner.

    The Pres. of VGOC is a member/employee of Campaign for Libertyhe appointed CFL members as precinct leaders.

    That would lead me to believe the two groups are at least intertwined.
    Per the link I provided CFL asked a CFL employee/member to gather OC'ers for a OC dinner.


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    Prior to this thread I had never heard of this Gun Rights organization.:?

    If you think like a Statist, act like one, or back some, you've given up on freedom and have gone over to the dark side.
    The easiest ex. but probably the most difficult to grasp for gun owners is that fool permission slip so many of you have, especially if you show it off with pride. You should recognize it as an embarrassment, an infringement, a travesty and an affront to a free person.


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    The reason you haven't heard of VGOC is because it is a one man show run by 'Mad' Mike McHugh. He's pretty ineffective largely because he is personally so caustic he turns off many politicians. He doesn't seem to have any practical political sense from what I've seen of him in 'action' testifying in committee meetings.
    Bottom line throw your support to real organizations like VCDL or VSSA, preferably VCDL.

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    Carpetbagger wrote:
    Can anyone tell me anything about the Virginia Gun Owners Coalition? I never heard of them until today. The website of Jerry Burch (Hanover delegate candidate) has a letter from the VGOC regarding their candidates survey.

    VGOC's website says that "Virginia Gun Owners Coalition is Virginia’s only no-compromise, non-partisan gun lobby patterned after Gun Owners of America on Capitol Hill." I take this to be an insult to VCDL, which I don't really understand (I would hardly consider VCDL to be "compromising" and "partisan").

    Any information would be appreciated.
    From what I've seen, they're not a "coalition" at all, but a few people whose efforts are largely unfocused.

    At least, that's my perception from the few written materials (badly written, I might add, but then I'm a grammarian and proofreader) I've seen. I've seen pieces castigating purported gun-rights politicians for not answering poorly worded questions, etc.

    Before I join an organization, I like to know something about it, and what I saw of VCOG didn't convince me it was worth my time.

    Just my $0.02.
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    I sent an e-mail to VCOG and the response I got was from "Mike" and he stated that VCDL was a bad organization and often sided with the wrong side. I was amazed at this guy's words and never responded. I looked at the links he sent me and they stated that VCDL had supported some candidate that was an anti and VCDL was not in the best interests of gun owners. Why would this guy bad mouth VCDL?


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    He sent me this link and told me to read page 8...

    http://virginiagun.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/vgoc-dec05.pdf

    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

    Remington 1911 R1 (Back to Basics)
    SERPA retention or concealed...

    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
    (Borrowed from "The Perfect Day" by LTC Dave Grossman)

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    Page 8 of the vgoc newsletterstates that mr. McHugh demands an apology from theVCDL, well my friend when you start demanding things you will NEVER get anything. The last time I checked VCDL was and is Pro-Gun and I am a member. Also he states that he wants to reform VCDL a good starting point is to reform yourself and choose words more carefully.Mr. McHugh also wants VCDL members to ask them to apologize for an endorsement of a politician this will not happen with me.any organization with the word coalition with it makes me alitte skeptical.



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    Tess wrote:
    Carpetbagger wrote: From what I've seen, they're not a "coalition" at all, but a few people whose efforts are largely unfocused. I'm a grammarian
    That's OK Tess. Not everyone wants to be an anarchist!
    http://www.anarchistnews.org/:what:

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    I'm partial to VCDL too. I haven't had any problems and have spoken to several members. I don't know this other guy. Unless the VCDL is proven to be less than loyal tothe cause of 2A, I will continue to support them.
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
    (unknown 'gun~writer')

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    SERPA retention or concealed...

    "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson
    (Borrowed from "The Perfect Day" by LTC Dave Grossman)

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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    I'm partial to VCDL too. I haven't had any problems and have spoken to several members. I don't know this other guy. Unless the VCDL is proven to be less than loyal tothe cause of 2A, I will continue to support them.
    VCDL is a product of it's members. I honestly can't see it changing in the near future. There are always issues, but with VCDL, the issues are small and nearly always worked out.

    I haven't met this other fellow. I have it on the highest authority that he is a jerk. I'm not sure good manners are essential for a Gun Rights spokesman, but Tess says he don't write good either....so he must be evil!:shock:

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    MSC 45ACP wrote:
    ... Why would this guy bad mouth VCDL?

    well he is soliciting donations/contributions?

    as for me i'll continue to support vcdl. i just hope this doesn't splinter the current membership into several smaller, less effective groups. like i have seen with my two-wheeled brothers

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    I e-mailed the VGOC president and asked him to join this thread to provide his POV. He hasn't done so as of yet, but this is the reply he sent me via e-mail after reading the apparently reading the thread:

    VCDL is the most awesome grassroots organization for local activism. I am very proud of them and love their members. They excell in forcing the issue of making local officials obey the law.

    Politically we parted company in Richmond on a number of issues. The endorsement of Bob McDonnell in 2005 was the last straw for me. McDonnell voted for the restraunt ban, against the repeal of the restraunt ban, against the hunting and fishing amendment, and for one-gun a month. His opponent at that time voted correctly on all those issues.

    That is why at the recent major political event some gunowners led by a key VCDL member had signs calling McDonnell "Gun Ban Bob".

    BTW, they have gotten better over time in my opininon because their members leaned on them to clean up.

    No one is perfect including VGOC. Competition makes us all better.

    Go to page 8 at the following link for a fuller story. You can also find it under newsletters at http://www.vgoc.org

    http://virginiagun.files.wordpress.c...vgoc-dec05.pdf

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