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    AB 962 BILL WOULD REGISTER BUYERS
    OF HANDGUN AMMUNITION



    Recently introduced proposed legislation, AB 962 (De Leon), would require 1) that handgun ammunition buyers must make their purchases in person, not by mail order or the internet, 2) that handgun ammunition not be displayed by retailers in a location where customers can have access to it, thus necessitating that the retailer obtain it from storage upon a potential buyers specific request, 3) that retailers record and maintain information about the sale of ammunition and the buyer, 4) that retailers who sell more than one box (50 rounds) of handgun ammunition per month obtain a handgun ammunition sellers permit from the Department, and other related provisions that would be harmful to ammunition buyers.
    AB 962 is unnecessary and is a burden to lawful retailers and lawful ammunition buyers. Those who would use firearms and ammunition illegally can, and do, easily obtain them from out of state sources or the local illegal underground marketplace. This bill would affect only lawful businesses and individuals. It would have no impact on criminals.
    If AB 962 becomes law, it will not be long before further legislation is passed to apply it to all ammunition including rifle and shotgun cartridges, muzzle loading projectiles and bullets for reloading.
    Its supporters are misinformed in their belief that criminals cannot easily and illegally buy handgun ammunition from non-dealer sources. They think that by requiring government issued permits to buy or sell ammunition there will be less violence and other crimes involving the illegal use of firearms. They are wrong.
    You can help stop the proposed registration of ammunition buyers and sellers.
    1. Please contact the author of AB 962, Assembly Member Kevin De Leon and the Assembly Committee on Public Safety to let them know that you are opposed to AB 962 for the reasons outlined above and for any additional reasons that are personal to you. Ask them to vote no on this bill. Their contact information is as follows:
    Assembly Member Kevin De Leon Assembly Committee on Public Safety
    State Capitol, Rm 4140 1020 N St, Rm 111
    Sacramento, Ca. 95814 Sacramento, Ca. 95814
    Capitol Phone: (916) 319-2045 Phone: (916) 319-3744
    Capitol Fax: (916) 319-2145 Fax: (916) 319-3745
    District Phone: (323) 225-4545
    District Fax: (323) 225-4500
    Email: assemblymember.deleon@assembly.ca.gov
    2. Write or call your own Assembly representative. He/She, if not listed above, can be found at the following website: http://www.legislature.ca.gov/ or http://192.234.213.69/lmapsearch/framepage.asp.
    3. Please fax copies of written or electronic communications with your legislator and the Assembly Committee on Public Safety to the firearms and ammunition retailer’s legislative advocate, Ms. Kathryn Lynch, at (916) 443-7353.








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    Re: AB 962 (De Leon) Ammunition

    Dear Members of the California Legislature:

    I am writing to express my opposition to AB 962 which would require that all lawful purchases of handgun ammunition be registered to the buyer by the ammunition seller who must keep the records on the premises for review by law enforcement.
    It would also require that ammunition buyers must make their purchases in person, not by mail order or the internet, that handgun ammunition not be displayed by retailers in a location where customers can have access to it, thus necessitating that the retailer obtain it from storage upon the specific request of a potential buyer, and other related provisions.

    AB 962 is unnecessary, costly and would be a burden to lawful dealers and lawful ammunition buyers. If its purpose is to prevent crimes involving the use or possession of a handgun, it would be ineffective.
    Those who would use firearms and ammunition illegally can, and do, easily obtain them from out of state sources or from the local underground marketplace. This bill would affect only lawful businesses and individuals. It would have no deterrent effect on criminals. The damage it would do to retailers and their customers is substantial and unjustifiable. Accordingly, I am strongly opposed to the enactment of AB 962.
    Please vote NO on AB 962.

    Respectfully,
    _______________________________________ Signature
    _______________________________________ Print Name CLEARLY
    _______________________________________ Street Address
    _______________________________________ City, State, ZIP Code

    Instructions:
    1. Please fax this to Ms. Kathryn Lynch, Legislative Advocate, Lynch & Associates, at 916-443-7353.

    2. Please also send a copy to your own Assembly Member and Senator. Find them and their contact information at www.legislature.ca.gov; the legislator locator is at the bottom right hand portion of the
    screen.

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    Oh my God! Oh my God! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!








    Oh...wait. . . It is just a tired old ammo bill that hasn't made it much further than the suspension file in like what. . . 6 years?

    This is alrady practically dead in the suspension file IIRC. It seems not to have been updated in the NRA listing yet.

    Ammunition Sales Restrictions One Step Closer to Defeat
    Assembly Committee on Appropriations Places AB962 into the Suspense File

    Today, Assembly Bill 962 was placed in the suspense file by the Assembly Committee on Appropriations.

    Sponsored by Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), AB962 would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a "handgun ammunition vendor" in the Department of Justice's database. Ammunition retailers would have to be licensed and store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. The bill would also require purchasers submit to fingerprinting, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice. Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited.

    While this development is a solid step towards defeating AB962, the bill still poses a threat. Please continue checking your email and www.NRAILA.org for updates.
    Code:
    MEASURE	:  A.B. No. 962
    AUTHOR(S)	:  De Leon (Coauthor: Bonnie Lowenthal).
    TOPIC	:  Ammunition.
    HOUSE LOCATION	:  ASM
    
    TYPE OF BILL :  
    Active
    Non-Urgency
    Non-Appropriations
    Majority Vote Required
    State-Mandated Local Program
    Fiscal
    Non-Tax Levy
    
    LAST HIST. ACT. DATE:  05/06/2009
    LAST HIST. ACTION   :  In committee:  Set, first hearing.  Referred to  APPR.
    suspense file.
    COMM. LOCATION	:  ASM APPROPRIATIONS
    COMM. ACTION DATE   :  05/06/2009
    COMM. ACTION	:  Set, first hearing.  Referred to Appropriations suspense
    file.
    
    TITLE	:  An act to amend Sections 11106 and 12316 of, to add
    Sections 12317 and 12318 to, to add Article 3.5
    (commencing with Section 12060) to Chapter 1 of, to add
    a heading for Chapter 2.6 (commencing with Section
    12316) to, and to repeal the heading of Chapter 2.6
    (commencing with Section 12320) of, Title 2 of Part 4 of
    the Penal Code, relating to ammunition.
    

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    Theseus wrote:
    This is alrady practically dead in the suspension file IIRC. It seems not to have been updated in the NRA listing yet.
    Unfortunately this one is back on the shelf. Please consider contacting your state Senator to voice your opinion. As of right now the bill is not dead as it is currently before the CA Senate. Here's the link for the updated bill status.

    COMPLETE BILL HISTORY


    BILL NUMBER : A.B. No. 962
    AUTHOR : De Leon
    TOPIC : Ammunition.

    TYPE OF BILL :
    Active
    Non-Urgency
    Non-Appropriations
    Majority Vote Required
    State-Mandated Local Program
    Fiscal
    Non-Tax Levy

    BILL HISTORY
    2009
    June 4 In Senate. Read first time. To Com. on RLS. for assignment.
    June 3 Read third time, passed, and to Senate.
    June 2 Read second time. To third reading.
    June 1 Read second time and amended. Ordered returned to second
    reading.
    May 29 From committee: Amend, and do pass as amended. (Ayes 12. Noes
    5.)(May 28).
    May 6 In committee: Set, first hearing. Referred to APPR. suspense file.
    Apr. 22 From committee: Do pass, and re-refer to Com. on APPR.
    Re-referred. (Ayes 5. Noes 2.) (April 21).
    Apr. 14 In committee: Set, first hearing. Hearing canceled at the
    request of author.
    Mar. 26 Referred to Com. on PUB. S.
    Feb. 27 From printer. May be heard in committee March 29.
    Feb. 26 Read first time. To print.
    To make life easier I put together all of the contact information - [phone,fax,address and email] for the CA Senate and Assembly into formats that can be imported into your addressbooks.

    You can get the contact info in either .pst or .csv for Outlook here

    In vCard (.vcf) format here

    Directions for using vCards here

    In an Excel spreadsheet to copy and paste from here

    There is also a good thread on Calguns about it here

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    This is now a threat guys and galls. Make those calls and emailsplease!

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    cato wrote:
    This is now a threat guys and galls.Â* Make those calls and emailsÂ*please!
    It appears that this will not be heard on Tuesday but it is able to be heard at any of the future meetings.

    Update from the NRA-ILA:

    California Anti-Gun Bills Advancing in Sacramento Please Contact Your State Legislators Today!

    On June 3, the Assembly passed Assembly Bill 962 by a 42-31 vote. AB962 now heads to the Senate where it has been assigned to the Senate Public Safety Committee. Also on June 3, Senate Bill 585 passed the Senate by a vote of 21-18. It now moves to the Assembly where it will be considered by the Assembly Public Safety Committee. No hearing dates have been scheduled for either bill.

    Sponsored by Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), AB962 would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a “handgun ammunition vendor” in the Department of Justice’s database. Ammunition retailers would have to be licensed and store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. The bill would also require purchasers submit to fingerprinting, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice. Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited.

    SB585, introduced by State Senator Mark Leno (D-3), would prohibit the sale of firearms and ammunition on the property or inside the buildings that comprise the Cow Palace. In short, SB585 is a stepping-stone to banning gun shows on all publicly-owned property in California.

    It is imperative that you stand-up and respectfully make your voices heard! Please contact the members of the Senate Public Safety Committee and urge them to oppose AB962. Also, please contact the members of the Assembly Committee on Public Safety and insist that they defeat SB585. Contact information can be found below.


    SENATE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE:

    State Senator Mark Leno (D-3) – Chair
    (916) 651-4003
    Senator.Leno@SENATE.CA.GOV

    State Senator John J. Benoit (R-37) - Vice-Chair
    (916) 651-4037
    Senator.Benoit@SENATE.CA.GOV

    State Senator Gilbert Cedillo (D-22)
    (916) 651-4022
    Senator.Cedillo@SENATE.CA.GOV

    State Senator Loni Hancock (D-9)
    (916) 651-4009
    Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV

    State Senator Robert Huff (R-29)
    (916) 651-4029
    Senator.Huff@SENATE.CA.GOV

    State Senator Darrell Steinberg (D-6)
    (916) 651-4006
    Senator.Steinberg@SENATE.CA.GOV

    State Senator Roderick Wright (D-25)
    (916) 651-4025
    Senator.Wright@SENATE.CA.GOV

    Just got off the phone with each of their offices and here are the responses that I got.

    State Senator Mark Leno (D-3) – Chair ? - hasnt looked at it yet
    State Senator John J. Benoit (R-37) - Vice-Chair opposed
    State Senator Gilbert Cedillo (D-22) ? - hasnt looked at it yet
    State Senator Loni Hancock (D-9) ? - hasnt looked at it yet
    State Senator Robert Huff (R-29) opposed
    State Senator Darrell Steinberg (D-6) ? - hasnt looked at it yet
    State Senator Roderick Wright (D-25) ? - hasnt looked at it yet

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    You can also use the CalNRA One Click Message System to contact all of them with one email Here

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    I don't see how any representative can set aside time to propel something like this forward in view of the catastrophe that is facing the state right now. They should be reaching into the depths of the furniture in their offices for change that has spilled from lobbyists pockets. Seriously, where are they going to get enforcement money from?

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    Honestly, I'm not sure I would be too sad if our government bankrupted itself entirely.

    What a powerful evidence that would provide for the future as to the failure of bloated government!

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    Emailed them all, now we wait.

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    A glimpse of the future if we are unable to defeat this bill.

    AMMO RESTRICTIONS - AB962 would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a "handgun ammunition vendor" in the Department of Justice’s database.
    The bill would also require purchasers submit to fingerprinting, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice.


    Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited.


    This bill would require the Department of Justice to maintain additional information relating to ammunition transfers and licensed handgun ammunition vendors, as specified.


    This bill would require that commencing July 1, 2010, unless specifically excluded, no person shall sell or transfer more than 50 rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless he or she is registered as a handgun ammunition vendor, as defined.


    The bill would further provide that handgun ammunition may only be purchased in a face-to-face transaction and only if certain conditions exist.


    This bill would, subject to exceptions, commencing July 1, 2010, require certain ammunition vendors to obtain a thumbprint and other information from ammunition purchasers, and would require submission of that information to the Department of Justice, as specified.

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    "This bill would require marshaul to obtain all his ammo by reloading until such a time as it is repealed."

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    Quote from dvcrsn on http://thehighroad.us/showpost.php?p...p;postcount=25

    Folks--Ed Worley, who is the NRA lobbyist here in Kali was at the West LA NRA member's council meeting Thursday and emphasized that using the one click system to swamp the legislators' email is an effective way of stopping this stuff--folks--let's cause these fools in Sacramento some PAIN!!!!



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    obeygiant wrote:
    Quote from dvcrsn on http://thehighroad.us/showpost.php?p...p;postcount=25

    Folks--Ed Worley, who is the NRA lobbyist here in Kali was at the West LA NRA member's council meeting Thursday and emphasized that using the one click system to swamp the legislators' email is an effective way of stopping this stuff--folks--let's cause these fools in Sacramento some PAIN!!!!

    The postmaster gave me a failed delivery notice for Senator Cedillo's email. Either its a bad address or a full mail box.
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    The postmaster gave me a failed delivery notice for Senator Cedillo's email. Either its a bad address or a full mail box.
    I had the same result and found 2 alternate ways to contact Cedillo below:


    1. If you live in his district and would still like to contact him via email I did find this address campaign@gilcedillo.com which I was able to successfully send to.
    2. You can also contact him via the webform on his senate page here

    If you do not live in his district but would still like to use the web-form to contact him or any other senator for that matter just make sure you use a zip code that resides in their district or it will fail to send. I used zip code 90014 and it submitted just fine.

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    Latest Info: 06/20/2009 - Assembly Bill 962 is scheduled to be heard in the Senate Public Safety Committee on Tuesday, 6/30/2009.

    Please contact the members of the committee and urge a NO vote on AB 962.


    Action needed:
    Update provided by CalNRA

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    the hearing was moved to July 7. Guys keep up the pressure on the committee. Out of the six members of that committee we have only two that have said outright that they are against this bill. The others have all given us I have no word on how they are voting. So CALL Them and state you are against it. The assistant will take your name and zipcode. If we get enough calls in on this they may get the idea this would be really bad to do. Also Librarian found this on CGN that could help us convince the fence sitters that this bill is a BAD idea.

    http://www.dof.ca.gov/legislative_analyses/search.php

    This link shows the fiscal analysis on any bill. Just type in the bill number and it will give you the information. Maybe copy that to the letters you are faxing in :celebrate.

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    AB962 will be heard before the Senate Public Safety Committee tomorrow! You can view the agenda
    here


    Please fax and call the Senate Public Safety Committee

    PH: (916)651-4118
    FAX: (916) 445-4688

    Mailing Address:

    State Capitol
    Room 2031
    Sacramento, CA 95814

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    Latest Info:

    07/07/2009 - Today, AB962 Handgun Ammo sales restriction passed the Senate Public Safety Comminttee. It will now go to the Senate Appropriations Committee. Please contact the members of the committee and urge a NO vote on AB 962.

    Action needed:

    Use the ONE-CLICK MESSAGE CENTER to easily address policy makers on this issue

    Contact as many members of the SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE as possible INDIVIDUALLY

    Update provided by CalNRA.com

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    obeygiant wrote:
    Latest Info:

    07/07/2009 - Today, AB962 Handgun Ammo sales restriction passed the Senate Public Safety Comminttee. It will now go to the Senate Appropriations Committee. Please contact the members of the committee and urge a NO vote on AB 962.

    Action needed:

    Use the ONE-CLICK MESSAGE CENTER to easily address policy makers on this issue

    Contact as many members of the SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE as possible INDIVIDUALLY

    Update provided by CalNRA.com
    Done called everyone on that list. Got Against from all the Republican members but they are out numbered. Got undecided from all but ONE democrat and Leno voted for the bill yesterday. GAH....I know they are getting flooded with calls about this bill so KEEP UP THE HEAT guys and gals let them know we are against it. Also may not hurt to use the there is NO money in the budget for this bill and the fiscal agency that figures it out has no clue as to how much this bill would cost the tax payers which should in and of itself signal this is a bad bill .

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    ROad TRIP hello Nevada Here I come a wonder how much ammo can fit in a tool box??? LOcked with a key hmmmm Search warrant comes to mind. Pay cash no credit cards paper trail BAD

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    Latest Info:

    07/07/2009 - Today, AB962 Handgun Ammo sales restriction passed the Senate Public Safety Comminttee. It will now go to the Senate Appropriations Committee. Please contact the members of the committee and urge a NO vote on AB 962.

    Action needed:

    Use the ONE-CLICK MESSAGE CENTER to easily address policy makers on this issue

    Contact as many members of the SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE as possible INDIVIDUALLY

    Update provided by CalNRA.com

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    I spoke with Brandi at Senator Price's office and she happens to be the aide that is responsible for putting together the Senators brief on the Appropriations committee!

    I asked if the Senator had an opportunity to review the Department of Finance Bill Analyses' report on AB962 and she said that she has been so busy that she has not yet had time to get and prepare it for the Senator. I asked if she would like me to send her a copy and she said "Yes, that would save me a lot of time trying to locate it." I then asked if she would like me to fax or email it and she gave me her email address. Just called and confirmed that she did receive my email. She was very thankful for the report and assured me that Senator Price would read it before he voted.

    With all of that said, I can't stress enough how important it is for each of us to call and in a polite and respectful way let our opinion be known as you never know who you might influence.

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    Earlier this evening I called each of the members of the Senate Appropriations committee and got the following responses:

    • Senator Cox -Opposed
      Senator Corbett - over a 100 calls in opposition,added my name to the list
      Senator Leno - left a message
      Senator Oropeza - added my name to the list
      Senator Price - emailed Department of Finance Bill Analysis Report to Brandi the Senators Aide.
      Senator Runner - Opposed
      Senator Mimi Walters - Opposed
      Senator Wyland - Opposed
      Senator Yee - added my name to the list



    Keep it up guys!

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    Called the Senate Appropriations Committee yesterday and I was told that AB962 has been scheduled for the 20th.

    Please consider sending a fax,calling the appropriations committee, even if you have already done so, asking them to oppose AB962.

    Call them and ask if the Senators have read the report by the Department of Financial Bill Analysis. Also make sure to ask them to put your name down on the Opposition list. Here's the phone number (916)651-4101 and a copy of the Report.

    Original Link

    DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE BILL ANALYSIS
    AMENDMENT DATE: Original BILL NUMBER: AB 962
    POSITION: Oppose AUTHOR: K. De Leon



    BILL SUMMARY: Ammunition

    This bill would establish a database maintained by the Department of Justice (DOJ) to serve as a registry of handgun ammunition vendors. Additionally, the bill would require that, beginning July 1, 2010, no person shall sell or transfer specified rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless he or she is licensed as a handgun ammunition vendor.

    FISCAL SUMMARY

    Although DOJ has not provided a fiscal estimate for this bill, Finance believes creating a new database and registration program would require significant staff and contract resources. The bill would allow for a fee to be charged to cover DOJ’s costs, but caps that fee at $50. It is not clear that this program can be implemented at that fee level. If it cannot, DOJ would have to seek additional funding, creating pressure on
    other special funds and possibly the General Fund.

    COMMENTS

    Finance is opposed to this bill given the likely cost pressures it would impose and the significant resources it likely would require. Although the bill would provide for a fee to be charged for this purpose, absent specific information from DOJ, it is not clear the fee would be sufficient to fully fund this effort. Additionally, it may not be appropriate to impose additional workload during this time of limited state resources.

    Furthermore, given that the licensing restriction would be in effect on July 1, 2010, and this bill, if chaptered, would be effective on January 1, 2010, DOJ would have only months to prepare and implement this database. Also, no appropriation authority is provided in the bill, so it is unlikely DOJ would have additional appropriations to draw from when developing this new program in time for the July 1, 2010 date.

    Currently, DOJ maintains a database related to firearms transactions, which is supported by fees.

    The bill would create a new handgun ammunition tracking database and registration program for handgun ammunition vendors. The bill would allow for a fee of up to $50 to reimburse DOJ for its costs of administering the license program, maintaining the registry of handgun ammunition vendors and other regulatory functions, including enforcement.

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