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Opposition to AB 962

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Latest Info:

07/07/2009 - Today, AB962 Handgun Ammo sales restriction passed the Senate Public Safety Comminttee. It will now go to the Senate Appropriations Committee. Please contact the members of the committee and urge a NO vote on AB 962.

Action needed:

Use the ONE-CLICK MESSAGE CENTER to easily address policy makers on this issue

Contact as many members of the SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE as possible INDIVIDUALLY

Update provided by CalNRA.com
 

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I spoke with Brandi at Senator Price's office and she happens to be the aide that is responsible for putting together the Senators brief on the Appropriations committee!

I asked if the Senator had an opportunity to review the Department of Finance Bill Analyses' report on AB962 and she said that she has been so busy that she has not yet had time to get and prepare it for the Senator. I asked if she would like me to send her a copy and she said "Yes, that would save me a lot of time trying to locate it." I then asked if she would like me to fax or email it and she gave me her email address. Just called and confirmed that she did receive my email. She was very thankful for the report and assured me that Senator Price would read it before he voted.

With all of that said, I can't stress enough how important it is for each of us to call and in a polite and respectful way let our opinion be known as you never know who you might influence.
 

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Earlier this evening I called each of the members of the Senate Appropriations committee and got the following responses:


  • Senator Cox -Opposed
    Senator Corbett - over a 100 calls in opposition,added my name to the list
    Senator Leno - left a message
    Senator Oropeza - added my name to the list
    Senator Price - emailed Department of Finance Bill Analysis Report to Brandi the Senators Aide.
    Senator Runner - Opposed
    Senator Mimi Walters - Opposed
    Senator Wyland - Opposed
    Senator Yee - added my name to the list


Keep it up guys!
 

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Called the Senate Appropriations Committee yesterday and I was told that AB962 has been scheduled for the 20th.

Please consider sending a fax,calling the appropriations committee, even if you have already done so, asking them to oppose AB962.

Call them and ask if the Senators have read the report by the Department of Financial Bill Analysis. Also make sure to ask them to put your name down on the Opposition list. Here's the phone number (916)651-4101 and a copy of the Report.

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DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE BILL ANALYSIS
AMENDMENT DATE: Original BILL NUMBER: AB 962
POSITION: Oppose AUTHOR: K. De Leon



BILL SUMMARY: Ammunition

This bill would establish a database maintained by the Department of Justice (DOJ) to serve as a registry of handgun ammunition vendors. Additionally, the bill would require that, beginning July 1, 2010, no person shall sell or transfer specified rounds of handgun ammunition in any month unless he or she is licensed as a handgun ammunition vendor.

FISCAL SUMMARY

Although DOJ has not provided a fiscal estimate for this bill, Finance believes creating a new database and registration program would require significant staff and contract resources. The bill would allow for a fee to be charged to cover DOJ’s costs, but caps that fee at $50. It is not clear that this program can be implemented at that fee level. If it cannot, DOJ would have to seek additional funding, creating pressure on
other special funds and possibly the General Fund.

COMMENTS

Finance is opposed to this bill given the likely cost pressures it would impose and the significant resources it likely would require. Although the bill would provide for a fee to be charged for this purpose, absent specific information from DOJ, it is not clear the fee would be sufficient to fully fund this effort. Additionally, it may not be appropriate to impose additional workload during this time of limited state resources.

Furthermore, given that the licensing restriction would be in effect on July 1, 2010, and this bill, if chaptered, would be effective on January 1, 2010, DOJ would have only months to prepare and implement this database. Also, no appropriation authority is provided in the bill, so it is unlikely DOJ would have additional appropriations to draw from when developing this new program in time for the July 1, 2010 date.

Currently, DOJ maintains a database related to firearms transactions, which is supported by fees.

The bill would create a new handgun ammunition tracking database and registration program for handgun ammunition vendors. The bill would allow for a fee of up to $50 to reimburse DOJ for its costs of administering the license program, maintaining the registry of handgun ammunition vendors and other regulatory functions, including enforcement.
 

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I'M WIH YOU, NV ISN'T THAT FAR OF A DRIVE. BUT HELL, MY DILLON WILL DO ABOUT THREE TO FOUR HUNDRED ROUNDS AN HOUR, AND THAT WILL BEAT THE 50 ROUNDS A MONTH THEY WANT TO LIMIT YOU TO. I'M TELLING YOU THOSE IDIOTS THAT MAKE THE LAWS DON'T HAVE A CLUE TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS WORLD.

KAISERMAN

CRY HAVOC AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR......WILL SHAKESPERE
 

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Here's a quick summary of where we stand with the Senators that are on the Appropriation Committee.

For
Senator Mark Leno

Unknown
Senator Christine Kehoe
Senator Ellen Corbett
Senator Loni Hancock
Senator Jenny Oropeza
Senator Curren Price
Senator Lois Wolk
Senator Leland Yee

Opposed
Senator Dave Cox
Senator Jeff Denham
Senator George Runner
Senator Mimi Walters
Senator Mark Wyland

Please focus your efforts on the "Unknown Senators" listed below:

Name Email Phone Fax
Senator Christine Kehoe, Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4039, (916) 327-2188
Senator Ellen Corbett, Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4010, (916) 327-2433
Senator Loni Hancock, Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4009, (916) 327-1997
Senator Jenny Oropeza, Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4028, (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price, Senator.Price@senate.ca.gov, (916) 651-4026, (916) 445-4026
Senator Lois Wolk, Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4005, (916) 323-2304
Senator Leland Yee, Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4008, (916) 327-2186
 

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AB962 is scheduled to be heard this Monday, July 20th! We've got 4 days to make sure that our voices are heard. Please consider contacting the Senators below that have an Unknown / Undecided position on this bill.

Here's a quick summary of where we stand with the Senators that are on the Appropriation Committee.

For
Senator Mark Leno

Unknown
Senator Christine Kehoe
Senator Ellen Corbett
Senator Loni Hancock
Senator Jenny Oropeza
Senator Curren Price
Senator Lois Wolk
Senator Leland Yee

Opposed
Senator Dave Cox
Senator Jeff Denham
Senator George Runner
Senator Mimi Walters
Senator Mark Wyland

Please focus your efforts on the "Unknown Senators" listed below:

Name Email Phone Fax
Senator Christine Kehoe, Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4039, (916) 327-2188
Senator Ellen Corbett, Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4010, (916) 327-2433
Senator Loni Hancock, Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4009, (916) 327-1997
Senator Jenny Oropeza, Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4028, (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price, Senator.Price@senate.ca.gov, (916) 651-4026, (916) 445-4026
Senator Lois Wolk, Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4005, (916) 323-2304
Senator Leland Yee, Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4008, (916) 327-2186
 

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Tomorrow is the day AB962 will be heard before the Senate Appropriations Committee!

If you haven't called or faxed the Senators yet please do so today. I realize they will most likely not be answering phones today but that does not stop you from leaving your name and number and requesting that they add you to the OPPOSED list.

For any of you that are not inclined to get involved, please consider the fact that if this bill passes, and you are a resident of California, you will no longer be able to purchase ammunition online or through the mail.

To those that have contacted the Senators on the Appropriations Committee, Thank you. I would urge you to consider calling or faxing again today so that there is no doubt in their minds that the sportsmen of California will not put up with this attack on our privacy and 2nd Amendment rights.


Here's a quick summary of where we stand with the Senators that are on the Appropriation Committee.

For
Senator Mark Leno

Unknown
Senator Christine Kehoe
Senator Ellen Corbett
Senator Loni Hancock
Senator Jenny Oropeza
Senator Curren Price
Senator Lois Wolk
Senator Leland Yee

Opposed
Senator Dave Cox
Senator Jeff Denham
Senator George Runner
Senator Mimi Walters
Senator Mark Wyland

Please focus your efforts on the "Unknown Senators" listed below:

Name Email Phone Fax
Senator Christine Kehoe, Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4039, (916) 327-2188
Senator Ellen Corbett, Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4010, (916) 327-2433
Senator Loni Hancock, Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4009, (916) 327-1997
Senator Jenny Oropeza, Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4028, (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price, Senator.Price@senate.ca.gov, (916) 651-4026, (916) 445-4026
Senator Lois Wolk, Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4005, (916) 323-2304
Senator Leland Yee, Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV, (916) 651-4008, (916) 327-2186
 

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One minor correction, Senator Curren Price's fax number is (916) 445-8899 not (916) 445-4026
 

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The new hearing date could possibly be tomorrow or sometime after the budget bill(s) are considered - one of those indeterminate times in the future.

Daily File currently says:


APPROPRIATIONS
KEHOE, Chair
12 m. - John L. Burton Hearing Room (4203)
(Please note time change)
PENDING DELAY IN SUMMER RECESS
PENDING RULE WAIVER

Considering that the Govenator has said that he will veto anything that comes before him that is not budget related they could do us all a favor and go on recess. That would be July 17 - August 17, if they were to keep their schedule.
 

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Quick Summary of where the votes stand from Goober_0 on Calguns.net

Originally Posted by bomb_on_bus:
Ideally speaking does anyone have an idea which way the vote is going to turn out for this bill? I know there are some oppossing senators of the bill, but I'm only sure of a couple of senators are for this bill correct?

We have 5 who have expressed their opposition outright:
Cox
Denham
Runner
Walters
Wyland


There are 2, from my recent phone interactions (with their staff), that might be leaning against:
Corbett
Wolk


IF we can get those two on our side, we'll have 7, which is just enough to beat this thing in Appropriations.


There are a couple more that have not been completely anti-2A in the past, at least for Dems (both received "D" grades from NRA):
Oropeza
Yee


One or both of these could really seal the deal or fill in for Wolk or Corbett if they go the other way.

On the other side, we can basically count the following as supporting AB 962:
Leno
Hancock
Kehoe


That leaves Price, and with nothing better to go on than the fact that he's a Dem, I'd guess he might support it (he also has an NRA "F" grade).

So right now I'd call it 5-4, with us winning. We really need 2 more, and I think we're probably close on 1 of them. So keep it up!


Concentrate on:

Name Email Phone Fax
Senator Christine Kehoe Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4039 (916) 327-2188
Senator Ellen Corbett Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4010 (916) 327-2433
Senator Loni Hancock Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4009 (916) 327-1997
Senator Jenny Oropeza Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4028 (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price Senator.Price@senate.ca.gov` (916) 651-4026 (916) 445-8899
Senator Lois Wolk Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4005 (916) 323-2304
Senator Leland Yee Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4008 (916) 327-2186
How cool would it be if we end up with 10-3 against? (yeah right)

ETA corrections regarding Price vs Oropeza... somehow I had them mixed up. Also added NRA grades.
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NRA ILA Update

California: AB962 Could be Heard as Early as Thursday, July 23 in Sacramento

Please Contact the Senate Appropriations Committee Today!

On Monday, July 20 the Senate Appropriations Committee canceled its meeting, delaying a vote on Assembly Bill 962. It is very possible that AB962 could be taken up at its next meeting, which is currently scheduled for Thursday, July 23. It is important that you continue to contact the committee members in opposition to this bill.

CURRENT BILL STATUS


MEASURE : A.B. No. 962
AUTHOR(S) : De Leon (Coauthor: Bonnie Lowenthal).
TOPIC : Ammunition.
HOUSE LOCATION : SEN
+LAST AMENDED DATE : 06/22/2009


TYPE OF BILL :
Active
Non-Urgency
Non-Appropriations
Majority Vote Required
State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy

LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 07/08/2009
LAST HIST. ACTION : From committee: Do pass, and re-refer to Com. on APPR.
Re-referred. (Ayes 4. Noes 3.) (July 7).
COMM. LOCATION : SEN APPROPRIATIONS
HEARING DATE : 07/23/2009


TITLE : An act to amend Sections 11106 and 12316 of, to add
Sections 12317 and 12318 to, to add Article 3.5
(commencing with Section 12060) to Chapter 1 of, to add
a heading for Chapter 2.6 (commencing with Section
12316) to, and to repeal the heading of Chapter 2.6
(commencing with Section 12320) of, Title 2 of Part 4
of, the Penal Code, relating to ammunition.

Hammer these guys!:

Name Email Phone Fax
Senator Christine Kehoe Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4039 (916) 327-2188
Senator Ellen Corbett Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4010 (916) 327-2433
Senator Loni Hancock Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4009 (916) 327-1997
Senator Jenny Oropeza Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4028 (916) 323-6056
Senator Curren Price Senator.Price@senate.ca.gov` (916) 651-4026 (916) 445-8899
Senator Lois Wolk Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4005 (916) 323-2304
Senator Leland Yee Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV (916) 651-4008 (916) 327-2186
 

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Thanks to Librarian over at Calguns who posted this summary of todays events.

Just to summarize:

DeLeon waived his presentation on 962.

Alameda County Board of Supervisors and City of Sacramento appeared with 2-sentence 'support' comments.

Ed Worley of NRA appears, points out that use of DROS funds for ammo enforcement take money away from other law enforcement efforts - like undercover agents at gun shows (a good button to push); opposed.

Tom Pederson of CRPA agrees; opposed.

Sam Paredes of Gun Owners of California appears; nice economic analysis of $652 million in handgun ammo sales; other items, like spray paint behind counters experience 25% sales drop - $12 million in sales tax if handgun ammo sales drops like that. Opposed.

Finance says 'no position'. Whaaat? ETA: Just rechecked, their June 22 analysys is still up at http://www.dof.ca.gov/legislative_analyses/search.php


DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE BILL ANALYSIS
AMENDMENT DATE: June 22, 2009 BILL NUMBER: AB 962
POSITION: Oppose AUTHOR: K. De Leon

FISCAL SUMMARY

To implement this bill, DOJ estimates costs of $306,000 in 2009-10, $1.351 million in 2010-11, and $616,000 in 2011-12. The bill would allow for a fee to be charged to cover DOJ’s costs, but caps that fee at $50. Fee revenues, from the bill’s new fee as well as the existing fingerprint fee, would generate $1.489 million in 2010-11 and $801,000 in 2011-12. Although fee revenues would be sufficient to operate the program on an ongoing basis, the first year’s costs would be unfunded. DOJ would have to seek additional funding, creating pressure on other special funds and possibly the General Fund.
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COMMENTS

Finance is opposed to this bill given the cost pressures it would impose and the unfunded resources it would require in the first year of implementation. Although the bill would provide for a fee to be charged for this purpose, the fee would not be sufficient to fully fund this effort in the first year. Additionally, it may not be appropriate to impose additional workload during this time of limited state resources.

Furthermore, given that the licensing restriction would be in effect on July 1, 2010, and this bill, if chaptered, would be effective on January 1, 2010, DOJ would have only months to prepare and implement this database. Also, no appropriation authority is provided in the bill, so it is unlikely DOJ would have additional appropriations to draw from when developing this new program in time for the July 1, 2010 date. The latest version includes language to make a fund available, but does not actually provide an appropriation that DOJ could use in 2009-10.

To suspense file; it can come off after the recess, August 17.

So: take the rest of the week off. Legislators and staff should be working on budget, so they won't be paying attention to 962 just now.

Back at them Monday - don't let them think we've forgotten.
 
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