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    Turns out the Bureau of Consumer affairs disciplines private security gaurd companies just like they do building contractors

    I'd sure like to see some of the files on these:


    http://www.bsis.ca.gov/customer_serv...itations.shtml

    AAS Security Services S San Francisco PPO-15153 8/12/2008 7582.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    AAS Security Services S San Francisco PPO-15153 8/12/2008 7582.26(f) Badge violation $250.00
    Action Security Services Visalia PPO-13679 10/10/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Action Security Services Visalia PPO-13679 10/10/2008 7583.2(d) Fail to certify PTA training prior to placing on post $400.00
    Admiral Security Services, Inc. Oakland PPO-15200 9/16/2008 7587.14(a) Fail to notify of address change $25.00
    All Action Security* Reseda PPO-11143 6/18/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Alpha Bay Security Services* Gardena PPO-12772 10/2/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    America 2000 Monterey Park PPO-10056 9/4/2008 7582.26(f) Badge violation $250.00
    America 2000 Monterey Park PPO-10056 9/30/2008 7583.2(g) Fail to report shooting/physical altercation $1500.00
    B&R Private Security Fresno PPO-15324 8/25/2008 7583.2(g) Fail to report shooting/physical altercation $500.00
    B&R Private Security Fresno PPO-15324 8/25/2008 7582.18 Fail to file address of record $25.00
    Blacktalon Napa PPO-16105 7/9/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $2,500.00
    CAM Guard Security, Inc. Ontario PPO-15123 9/8/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Camelot Group Anaheim PPO-14103 8/12/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Cinema Security Los Angeles PPO-14264 3/10/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Construction Protective Services Gardena PPO-11094 7/8/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Contemporary Services Corporation Northridge PPO-6259 6/6/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5000.00
    Contemporary Services Corporation Northridge PPO-6259 6/6/2008 7582.26(f) Badge violation $250.00
    Continental Security Company Vallejo PPO-12154 7/23/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Estate Private Patrol Security, Inc. Granada Hills PPO-15223 9/30/2008 7583.2(f) Employee(s) carry firearm without permit $2,500.00
    Executive One Security Services Indio PPO-14032 6/6/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Executive One Security Services Indio PPO-14032 6/6/2008 7582.26(f) Badge violation (2 violations) $500.00
    For 29 Security Los Angeles PPO-12617 10/27/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    For 29 Security Los Angeles PPO-12617 10/27/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $2,500.00
    Global Guards Corp Rolling Hills PPO-15079 9/25/2008 7583.2(g) Fail to report shooting/physical altercation $500.00
    Heritage Security & Investigations Winton PPO-14552 9/12/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Inter-Con Security Systems Inc. Pasadena PPO-6822 9/30/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Knight Shield Los Angeles PPO-13798 2/20/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Landmark Event Staffing Svs., Inc Irvine PPO-15611 9/9/2008 7582.26(f) Badge violation $250.00
    Level 9 Security Services Pico Rivera PPO-14106 9/16/2008 7583.2(g) Fail to report shooting/physical altercation $1,500.00
    Level 9 Security Services Pico Rivera PPO-14106 9/16/2008 7583.2(f) Employee(s) carry firearm without permit
    M A H Patrol Huntington Park PPO-13894 9/12/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    M A H Patrol Huntington Park PPO-13894 9/12/2008 7582.28 Badge/cap insignia violation $600.00
    Northern California Impeccable Security Citrus Heights PPO-15938 3/19/2008 7582.20 Advertising violation $500.00
    Northern California Impeccable Security Citrus Heights PPO-15938 3/19/2008 7582.26(f) Badge violation $500.00
    O D O Private Security* San Diego PPO-11591 8/12/2008 7583.2(f) Employee(s) carry firearm without permit $5,000.00
    Platt Security Long Beach PPO-6872 5/14/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Professional Event Security Ukiah PPO-11977 7/3/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    RJ Security Services, Inc. Newport Beach PPO-15593 2/28/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    RJ Security Services, Inc. Newport Beach PPO-15593 2/28/2008 7583.2(d) Fail to certify PTA training prior to placing on post $400.00
    Securitas Security Services USA, Inc. Westlake Village PPO-14827 8/19/2008 7583.2(a) Fail to maintain weapons log $100.00
    Tin Star Security Sacramento PPO-15799 8/19/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $2500.00
    Tispor Private Security Patrol Services Los Angeles PPO-14976 4/22/2008 7582.28 Badge/cap insignia violation $250.00
    United Protective Services Carson PPO-14581 2/20/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Urban Shield Security Services Oakland PPO-15381 8/18/2008 7583.2(g) Fail to report shooting/physical altercation $500.00
    Urban Shield Security Services Oakland PPO-15381 8/18/2008 7587.14(a) Fail to notify of address change $25.00
    Urban Shield Security Services Oakland PPO-15381 9/8/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Urban Shield Security Services Oakland PPO-15381 9/8/2008 7583.2(f) Employee(s) carry firearm without permit $2,500.00
    Venco Security Patrol Service Santa Barbara PPO-12380 2/28/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    Veteran Security Apple Valley PPO-12982 2/28/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $5,000.00
    VSP Private Security Agency Downey PPO-14232 3/10/2008 7583.2(e) Employee(s) without registration $2,500.00

    (*) Pending Disciplinary Review Committee Hearing


    And individual security employees:




    Barrientos, Claudio
    Los Angeles
    G-1519300
    2/28/2008
    7583.37(b) Use a firearm unlawfully
    $1,000.00

    Chase, Richard Jr
    Long Beach
    G-1535916
    10/27/2008
    7583.37(b) Unlawful use of firearm
    $1,000.00

    Garcia, Gabriel Ruiz
    Firebaugh
    G-1255330
    6/16/2008
    7583.37 (b) Unlawful use of firearm
    $1,000.00

    Hayes, William
    Nuevo
    G-1485297
    8/4/2008
    7583.37(d) Carry teargas w/o permit
    $100.00

    Hayes, William
    Nuevo
    G-1485297
    8/4/2008
    7583.3(a) Fail to possess guard card on duty
    $25.00

    Kendrick, Dean J*
    Long Beach
    G-1532412
    10/20/2008
    7583.37(b) Unlawful use of firearm
    $1,000.00

    Kendrick, Dean J*
    Long Beach
    G-1532412
    10/20/2008
    7583.2(g) Fail to report shooting
    $500.00

    Lizarraga, Omar J
    West Covina
    G-1490030
    10/20/2008
    7583.37(b) Unlawful use of firearm
    $1,000.00

    Lizarraga, Omar J
    West Covina
    G-1490030
    10/20/2008
    7583.2(g) Fail to report shooting
    $500.00

    Padilla, Abraham A.
    Los Angeles
    G-1554554
    9/12/2008
    7583.3(a) Fail to possess guard card on duty
    $25.00

    Ramirez, Samuel Luis
    Lancaster
    G-1545857
    4/30/2008
    7583.37 (b) (3) Draw a firearm without cause
    $1,000.00

    Rodriguez, Isidro
    LaPuente
    G-1416611
    9/30/2008
    7583.37(b)(3) Draw firearm without cause
    $1,000.00

    Rodriquez, Jose L*
    Los Angeles
    G-1454220
    10/27/2008
    7583.37(b) Unlawful use of firearm
    $1,000.00

    Thi, Andy A
    El Monte
    G-1329704
    5/30/2008
    7583.37(b) Unlawful use of firearm
    $1,000.00

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    I am the GM for a mid sized security company. I have been investigated by the bureau a few times and have always been found in compliance. I have also reported many companies that are running without a license and yet until a few months ago absolutely nothing happened.... If they went in the field they would find hundreds of violations a day. Sadly its a pretty unregulated industry. Many companies out of need just hire any warm body... Which is very sad. To be fair, the required training and other items to get licensing is BS. For a job that typically pays 9.00-11.00 an hr they want 40 hours training that is mostly worthless for what the job entails. I can train almost anyone in a matter of 4-6 hours for a basic security guard function. They need to realize real world business, yet like the rest of the state they never will... No wonder CA is going bankrupt.

    Enough of my rants....

    p.s. dont trust armed security guards... 80% of them are whack jobs... I speak from experience, I only allow 2 of my employees to carry on the job.

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    brad9point0 wrote:
    p.s. dont trust armed security guards... 80% of them are whack jobs... I speak from experience, I only allow 2 of my employees to carry on the job.
    +1!

    I spent about 5 years in that business, and worked with about 20 different armed guards. I worked as an armed guard for about 6 months as well.

    I'd say 80% is about right from my experience. Out of the 20, I've seen or read reports of at least 18 of those guys drawing their firearms. In only 3 of those cases was it justified. So, 15 of them brandished (or worse). Only 1 was punished by the company.

    Due to confidentiality agreements, I won't post a list of names or the company(ies) involved. I'll just say that the 80% applies to the PPOs as well - most of them are crooks and whacks. And don't think that the big corporate security companies are an exception.
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    CA_Libertarian wrote:
    brad9point0 wrote:
    p.s. dont trust armed security guards... 80% of them are whack jobs... I speak from experience, I only allow 2 of my employees to carry on the job.
    +1!

    I spent about 5 years in that business, and worked with about 20 different armed guards. I worked as an armed guard for about 6 months as well.

    I'd say 80% is about right from my experience. Out of the 20, I've seen or read reports of at least 18 of those guys drawing their firearms. In only 3 of those cases was it justified. So, 15 of them brandished (or worse). Only 1 was punished by the company.

    Due to confidentiality agreements, I won't post a list of names or the company(ies) involved. I'll just say that the 80% applies to the PPOs as well - most of them are crooks and whacks. And don't think that the big corporate security companies are an exception.
    Unfortunately this isn't a CA only problem. Here in Tennessee, I'd say that idiot armed guards are about 60-75% (I work as an armed guard and come into contact with alot), but unarmed guards that are wack jobs are closer to 90%.

    I do wish that states with regulations of security companies and personnel would actually enforce the rules.

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    WCrawford wrote:
    Unfortunately this isn't a CA only problem. Here in Tennessee, I'd say that idiot armed guards are about 60-75% (I work as an armed guard and come into contact with alot), but unarmed guards that are wack jobs are closer to 90%.

    I do wish that states with regulations of security companies and personnel would actually enforce the rules.
    Unfortunately, I don't think the rules solve the problems. In fact, they are one of the contributing causes.

    If we had less government intrusion, the free market would solve the problem. Decent, honest people would find it worthwhile to start a business and enter the market. Instead of navigating red tape, they could focus on hiring quality employees. Consumers who care about the quality of service they're receiving would be able to select from quality service providers.

    Another contributing factor is that many consumers purchase security services for the wrong reasons. For example, some places do it just to get lower insurance premiums, so they really don't care about the quality of their guard service, only that it's the cheapest option.
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    What is really sad though is they could get quality personnel if some of the companies paid decent or at least worked them full time. I know a lot of the security places down here only hire part time for barely above minimum wage. And from what I have seen of some of the security companies down here they leave a lot to be desired.

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    Its a large combination of factors that influence the basically crap name the industry has... Owners are cheap and dont want to pay a decent wage, clients are cheap and dont want to pay top dollar, what kind of person wants to go thru the ordeal and training required to make 9.00-11.00 for a very boring and lousy job?

    The state only makes it worse by adding completely useless restrictions and requirements that only cost time and money. Most of these new "laws" can be EASILY skirted. I do not skirt any of the laws or regulations but I can see how to very easily do so, as my previous employer required me to do.

    I deal with guards day in and day out that either take the job too seriously and want to be robocop or dont take it serious enough and goof off and sleep. As I type I am also setting up a new GPS guard tracking system that catches guards nodding off if they dont move every 20 min.... So I am sure I will be firing a few guards this week as I implement this new system...

    All in all to improve the seriously flawed system we have, we need to scale back on the state regulations, keep requiring a background check, reduce fees (currently 1000-1500 for some licensing), do more enforcement work and make penalties MUCH stiffer for things such as guards misusing firearms, batons etc. or for not having guard carded guards. This would make the industry 10X's better in a year.

    With the current job market I am getting 30+ calls a day from people looking for work, a much better quality job pool then I have ever seen. I am starting to weed thru lesser quality employees and hire a better quality guard at a decent wage. I see this economy as an opportunity to improve the quality of service provided. Not that I am happy about the economy, but might as well look on the bright side...

    PS the state took over a year to investigate an unlicensed company I reported... I had to file 6 complaints and send in dozens of pictures of the guard (sleeping) and the patrol vehicles... FINALLY they were taken care of... WTF is wrong with this picture, in a world of post 9/11 security????

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    The problem with the security industry paying low relates directly to the insurance companies, somewhat how you mentioned earlier, Brad. When clients hire security to get a reduction in the insurance premium, they can sometimes reduce the cost of security to 0, or end up saving money by having security, improving the bottom line. If insurance companies gave a larger cut to the insurance, the companies would be able to hire better private security while still maintaining 0 cost to them for doing so.

    Yet, the company hired would still often be the lowest bidder-the company that hires warm bodies to fill the job and pays them poorly. Because they're bidding low, they CAN'T pay the guards well, so they keep putting up ads for low cost security...and growing their business by volume rather than quality.

    In the end, even if the margin saved by insurance companies was greater, selling quality security is often a hard job to do...because the low-cost companies promise the same things the good companies do, only they don't provide it...and nobody is around to see it. This only perpetuates the "barney fife security" reputation that much of the industry has. The best security is often done in-house...because they're hiring for quality, and willing to pay for it. Improving the industry is similar to struggle of Sisyphus, every time the quality starts significantly improving, there is someone looking to start a new company with a cut-corners attitude to break into the industry, so to speak.

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    KylaGWolf wrote:
    What is really sad though is they could get quality personnel if some of the companies paid decent or at least worked them full time. I know a lot of the security places down here only hire part time for barely above minimum wage. And from what I have seen of some of the security companies down here they leave a lot to be desired.
    san diego is one of the highest paying areas for security,unless your not as clean as you should be that includes credit-just stop looking at store guards and look at government contracts-im not gonna say what companies but if you look you'll find um down there alot are above $20.00 an hour-fact not assumption

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    [/quote]
    san diego is one of the highest paying areas for security,unless your not as clean as you should be that includes credit-just stop looking at store guards and look at government contracts-im not gonna say what companies but if you look you'll find um down there alot are above $20.00 an hour-fact not assumption[/quote]

    That is true, but the requirements for the government contracts are very high and a lot of basic guards do not have the experience, background or professionalism in order to obtain these jobs such as supplementing US Customs at the border and such or the Social Security Office. The guards for the Social Security Offices are required to be able to jump a 6 foot wall.... why on earth would that be needed? Most of the guards they do have in these positions are of the highest quality and I do not mean to besmirch them. I think the majority of the problems plainly fall upon the companies for even putting some of these people on the street. The owner of the company I work for will rarely terminate employees because it is often hard to replace them or does not want to pay the unemployment. I could make a huge flow chart and go on for hours but the order of blame is basically, Companies, State Regulations, Clients, Guards and misc.. I have worked in almost every conceivable position in security from basic guard to bank guard, explosives watch, supervisor all the way up to Qualified Manager/GM and soon to be Firearms Instructor after I take and hopefully pass with the required 90% NRA Instructors certs and then the state BS. So I do speak with a bit of knowledge in the industry

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