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Chaingun81 wrote:
All INOVA hospitals I've seen here, have decenttly sized clear "No revolvers" signs on all doors. No way to miss these signs. May wanna try to carry a semi-auto but I don't think its gonna fly :D.
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I took a look at the "no-gun" symbol on the door of my local Wachovia today.

From the graphic, it seems like they are trying to ban italian dueling pistols from the premises

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wylde007 wrote:
My wife and I took a maternity tour at Leigh Memorial last month and I OC'ed for the entirety.

A couple of :? but no questions and no :what:.

Meh.
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Curious.

Sentara has a written policy to address this. No bang bangs. Not for you, not for them, on "Sentara property" excepting LEOs (that would be the guy from NPD they pay to sleep, er, I mean, watch the ED waiting room at Norfolk General) and of course any other LEOs that happen to wander in.

Employee is supposed to notify security who will then come ask you to remove it or yourself from the property.

Maybe you look like an LEO? Or was it your CHP badge? :lol:

On a lighter note, several years ago the head of security at NGH staged a 'security event' to 'assess' the response of employees and his team. Without prior notice to ANYONE, not even NPD, an 'actor' busted into the ED and took hostages. Somebody managed to call 911 and report the event. The actor came WAY too close to being perforated like a seive before it all got straightened out. I suspect there was a personal biohazard in the actor's costume.
 
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paramedic70002 wrote:
Sentara has a written policy to address this. No bang bangs. Not for you, not for them, on "Sentara property" excepting LEOs (that would be the guy from NPD they pay to sleep, er, I mean, watch the ED waiting room at Norfolk General) and of course any other LEOs that happen to wander in.
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Can you cite?

There was nothing posted on the non-emergency (ambulatory) entrance, nothing in the pre-admission package and I do not find a reference on the sentara.com web site.

And, nobody approached me or asked me to leave while we were there.
 
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Hospitals have many SOP's you as a private individual have no need nor is advance posting of them necessary. You are on private property and once they inform you to comply you are noticed.
 
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kenny wrote:
You are on private property and once they inform you to comply you are noticed.
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ORLLY?

No s**t, Sherlock. As with anything else, if it ain't posted, I ain't asking.

Why is it so difficult for people to either cite or shutty?
 
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wylde007 wrote:
paramedic70002 wrote:
Sentara has a written policy to address this. No bang bangs. Not for you, not for them, on "Sentara property" excepting LEOs (that would be the guy from NPD they pay to sleep, er, I mean, watch the ED waiting room at Norfolk General) and of course any other LEOs that happen to wander in.
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Can you cite?

There was nothing posted on the non-emergency (ambulatory) entrance, nothing in the pre-admission package and I do not find a reference on the sentara.com web site.

And, nobody approached me or asked me to leave while we were there.
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I'll decline, posting an internal policy may not be good for my career.
 
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Can someone please explain how people who aren't involved with the hospital are to know and abide by these "internal policies"

I would love to know.
 
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Augusta Medical Center is privately owned, and they have a big sign at the entrances (at least to the wellness center) describing how they are private property and as such, prohibit weapons being carried by the unwashed masses. They even cite the VA code to back them up.
 
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Charge has been dismissed. Firearm has been returned, Law Enforcement and prosecutors were very cooperative over this misunderstanding.

As for it being stupid. All do respect I was wearing my normal attire, 5.11 ITS pants and a white button up shirt. "I try to carry myself in as much of a respectable manner as possible".

apparently my attire conveyed the message I was law enforcement. When asked for i.d. i provided a valid VA drivers license. Dont see how that screams LEO but w.e.

I was not there by decision. was visiting elderly family and immediately upon arrival was told by a home health assistant to get him there ASAP, I had no time to regard my attire considering he was dieing. as for signs, yeah right, no ghost busters. i went back to observe their signs. its a sheet of computer paper with general print. I dont have time to read such nonsense when escorting a deathly ill grandparent inside to ER.

Anyway, just thought Id throw the ending to this one for you guys. OOH RAH OC!!!

haven't had an incident before or since this one.


Fun note. When i picked up the firearm the dispatch and evidence lady thought i was a cop because of my appearance...... figures


Thanks Gentlemen
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Thanks for the up date on this. Glad that everything turned out well for you in the end. Also hope that you continue to post and contribute on the forum here.
 
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Absolutely plan to. Stopped by the stand at the Salem Gun show. everyone was very nice there.

Glocky.
 
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Glock_21Carrier wrote:
Charge has been dismissed. Firearm has been returned, Law Enforcement and prosecutors were very cooperative over this misunderstanding.

As for it being stupid. All do respect I was wearing my normal attire, 5.11 ITS pants and a white button up shirt. "I try to carry myself in as much of a respectable manner as possible".

apparently my attire conveyed the message I was law enforcement. When asked for i.d. i provided a valid VA drivers license. Dont see how that screams LEO but w.e.

I was not there by decision. was visiting elderly family and immediately upon arrival was told by a home health assistant to get him there ASAP, I had no time to regard my attire considering he was dieing. as for signs, yeah right, no ghost busters. i went back to observe their signs. its a sheet of computer paper with general print. I dont have time to read such nonsense when escorting a deathly ill grandparent inside to ER.

Anyway, just thought Id throw the ending to this one for you guys. OOH RAH OC!!!

haven't had an incident before or since this one.


Fun note. When i picked up the firearm the dispatch and evidence lady thought i was a cop because of my appearance...... figures


Thanks Gentlemen
Fight the good fight
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Appreciate your response and for not expressing frustration/irritation at those that jumped the gun as to what happened or did not happen. Too frequently the media gets it wrong or we make assumptions.

Getting the facts straight requires some patience sometimes. Thank you for yours. Stay a talk a while. We are really a pretty good bunch.

Yata hey
 
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Hey it happens and I completely understand. Been a member of VCDL for 2 years now, just figured it was about time to mess around on here and not just read it all :)

Glocky
 
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kenny wrote:
Pruett, who was cooperative, denied that he identified himself as a police officer.
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Well, I think it's clear somebody is lying. That we can all agree on.

Don't ever assume it's automatically the defendant who is lying.
 
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Glock_21Carrier wrote:
Charge has been dismissed. Firearm has been returned, Law Enforcement and prosecutors were very cooperative over this misunderstanding.

As for it being stupid. All do respect I was wearing my normal attire, 5.11 ITS pants and a white button up shirt. "I try to carry myself in as much of a respectable manner as possible".

apparently my attire conveyed the message I was law enforcement. When asked for i.d. i provided a valid VA drivers license. Dont see how that screams LEO but w.e.
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So, coming to page 2, I see that perhaps the "hospital officials" lied.

I have no trouble believing this.

It's a little more involved than a simple misunderstanding, as you call it. You were publicly humilated and embarrassed nationwide. And unless you have the records of the arrest expunged, this arrest stays on your record for the rest of your life.

If this is the case, the "hospital officials" lied, I wouldn't hesitate one minute in filing a lawsuit against them. Everybody needs to be held accountable for their wrongful actions.
 
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Sheriff wrote:
Glock_21Carrier wrote:
Charge has been dismissed. Firearm has been returned, Law Enforcement and prosecutors were very cooperative over this misunderstanding.

As for it being stupid. All do respect I was wearing my normal attire, 5.11 ITS pants and a white button up shirt. "I try to carry myself in as much of a respectable manner as possible".

apparently my attire conveyed the message I was law enforcement. When asked for i.d. i provided a valid VA drivers license. Dont see how that screams LEO but w.e.
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So, coming to page 2, I see that perhaps the "hospital officials" lied.

I have no trouble believing this.

It's a little more involved than a simple misunderstanding, as you call it. You were publicly humilated and embarrassed nationwide. And unless you have the records of the arrest expunged, this arrest stays on your record for the rest of your life.

If this is the case, the "hospital officials" lied, I wouldn't hesitate one minute in filing a lawsuit against them. Everybody needs to be held accountable for their wrongful actions.
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My impression on the matter was that it was a matter of flexing their non existent muscles. Perhaps they were uncomfortable I had a firearm around there happy space "they were armed as well"

Either way I have considered legal action, but do not have time nor resource to do so. Im sure it wouldn't be hard to do considering if I video feeds showing my getting out a drivers license haha.

My biggest concern is fine, that my Grandfather was ok. this was the mitigating circumstance to which i was there to begin with. I live 3 hours from this place, "like i planned to go there ugh..."

My lawyer assured that after a predetermined amount of time with good behavior and stature, that it will be completely removed. which was also ordered by the court. The time is short so dont stress it.

Either way, situation is at a close, and my very first ever encounter with Leo's. Thanks for the imput guys, im just glad to get this outa the way. Pluss i knew you guys like follow ups ;)

Glocky
 
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Glock_21Carrier wrote:
My lawyer assured that after a predetermined amount of time with good behavior and stature, that it will be completely removed. which was also ordered by the court.
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You better take a closer look at the judge's decision. If the charge was indeed dismissed, the judge does notdeal with the expengement of records himself. Somebody has to lay a court order in front of him for his signature.

Ten years down the road, the record of this arrest alone can cause you some pretty severe problems. The outcome of the case has no bearing on whether the arrest records still exist and can be used against you.

Having said all of the above, even an expungement doesn't help in certain cases. I still have one lawsuit pending where a cop disseminated knowlegdge of a false arrest where an expungement was properly done. He had no business whatsoever releasing information about this false arrest after the expungement of said records.

 
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