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    The park is located next to Chambers Bay Golf Course and you enter through the entrance to the golf course.

    So I decided to go down to the park tonight to finally take a picture of the sign that is posted there. (Actually, the picture of the sign is on the Pierce County Website... Saves me the trouble of uploading it...)



    I am pretty sure the sign is BS and it's not going to stop anyone from carrying...

    The Chambers Creek Properties are owned, operated and maintained by Pierce County's Departments of Public Works and Utilities and Parks and Recreations Services.
    http://www.co.pierce.wa.us/pc/abtus/ourorg/ccp/faq.htm


    So am I right that this sign is false and that we all can carry in this park?

    Pierce County Parks & Recreation Services
    9112 Lakewood Drive SW, Suite 121
    Lakewood, WA 98499
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    9850 64th Street West
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    So I can fish but I can't dig clams? That's BS.

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    yes, state preemptiona applies and I have opencarried there a number of times without any problems.

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    Preemption applies. Also perhaps the clams are unsafe to eat...

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    Who said anything about eating? I want to raise them as pets.

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    sempercarry wrote:
    yes, state preemptiona applies and I have opencarried there a number of times without any problems.
    Should this sign be remade and have that section removed?

    I think it should be removed and have a new sign put up in place of it.

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    deanf wrote:
    Who said anything about eating? I want to raise them as pets.
    I want to run one for Governor next election season. I'm sure a clam would be a better choice than Christine...

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    Take it easy Steve...Keep Clam

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    sv_libertarian wrote:
    deanf wrote:
    Who said anything about eating? I want to raise them as pets.
    I want to run one for Governor next election season. I'm sure a clam would be a better choice than Christine...
    I'm sure that there is an "Adult Content" joke that could be told here.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

    "If you refuse to stand up for others now, who will stand up for you when your time comes?"

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    I know this thread is old, but this is more information on Pierce County Parks.

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/Rcw/default.aspx?cite=36.68.080
    RCW 36.68.080
    Penalty for violations of regulations.
    (1) Except as otherwise provided in this section, any person violating any rules or regulations adopted by the board of county commissioners relating to parks, playgrounds, or other recreational facilities is guilty of a misdemeanor.

    http://www.co.pierce.wa.us/pc/servic.../fac-rules.htm
    OTHER PARK RULES & REGULATIONS
    • Possession of alcoholic beverages is prohibited.
    • Loitering in vehicles is prohibited.
    • For safety, swim only in designated areas.
    • Please use trash receptacles.
    • No firearms, fireworks, or open fires.
    • Loud music is prohibited.
    • Drive carefully and cautiously and enjoy your visit.
    • No person shall camp in any park except in areas specifically designated and/or marked for that purpose.
    Violations of any of the Park Code 36.68 can mean fines up to $1,000.00 and/or imprisonment of 90 days. Rewards of up to $300 may be given for information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone vandalizing Pierce County property.


    Kent did not reply to my first message that I sent to him on the 12th of February 2010.

    Today, I forwarded the message to Kent, four other people and the main parks email.



    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    From: xxxxxx
    Date: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:44 PM
    Subject: Central Meadow Park
    To: kbasket@co.pierce.wa.us


    Kent Basket,

    I am sending you an email in response to the sign that is posted at the lower park area at Chambers Creek Properties.
    I noticed that on the sign, there is a section that reads, "Fireworks and firearms are prohibited."

    This is directly in violation of RCW 9.41.290, http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.290
    The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components. Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300, and are consistent with this chapter. Such local ordinances shall have the same penalty as provided for by state law. Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.
    and RCW 9.41.300. http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41.300
    (2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:

    (a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and

    (b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:

    (i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or

    (ii) Any showing, demonstration, or lecture involving the exhibition of firearms.

    (3)(a) Cities, towns, and counties may enact ordinances restricting the areas in their respective jurisdictions in which firearms may be sold, but, except as provided in (b) of this subsection, a business selling firearms may not be treated more restrictively than other businesses located within the same zone. An ordinance requiring the cessation of business within a zone shall not have a shorter grandfather period for businesses selling firearms than for any other businesses within the zone.

    (b) Cities, towns, and counties may restrict the location of a business selling firearms to not less than five hundred feet from primary or secondary school grounds, if the business has a storefront, has hours during which it is open for business, and posts advertisements or signs observable to passersby that firearms are available for sale. A business selling firearms that exists as of the date a restriction is enacted under this subsection (3)(b) shall be grandfathered according to existing law.
    http://www.piercecountywa.org/pc/abt.../ccp/rules.htm

    "Fireworks and firearms are prohibited"
    Possession of alcoholic beverages is prohibited.
    Loitering in vehicles is prohibited.
    For safety, swim only in designated areas.
    Please use trash receptacles.
    No firearms, fireworks, or open fires.
    Loud music is prohibited.
    Drive carefully and cautiously and enjoy your visit.
    No person shall camp in any park except in areas specifically designated and/or marked for that purpose.
    The sign that is posted on public park property, is in violation of state law. There are two pages on the pierce county parks website for rules at Chambers Creek Properties and all Pierce County Parks property. Both of these pages on the county website say that firearms are prohibited. The website needs to be updated to be in accordance with state law.

    The sign that is posted at Chambers Creek Properties needs to be taken down and changed. This is a rule that, when seen by the average citizen, would expect that it is illegal for anyone that is armed to be there. This would waste 911 dispatcher's time, unable to take real emergency calls, and would cause unneeded police response to "man with a gun" calls, stopping them from responding to actual emergencies. Ultimately, if anyone were to be arrested for carrying a firearm on any of the public park properties in Pierce County, the taxpayers would be footing a bill for a lawsuit against the city and county, for violating a persons constitutionally granted right(s) and state law.

    If there are more signs at other parks around Pierce County that read that firearms are prohibited, they need to be removed and changed ASAP.


    If there is any confusion, you can refer to the recent lawsuit in Seattle over banning guns in public parks.

    http://www.king5.com/news/local/Judg...-84272067.html
    and
    http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m2d12-Judge-in-Seattle-case-Plaintiffs-have-right-to-carry-under-federal-state-constitutions


    Please respond as soon as possible.

    Thank you



    xxxxxx

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    haha! my buddy is the reason for the "no personal aircraft" part. he took his paraglider out there one day to mess around. one of the park attendees advised him that it wasn't permitted. he said, well it wasn't on the sign! the parks guy said, "it will be now"

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    No Personal Airplanes does this mean only Commercial Airplanes.



    Spanaway Park has a sign similar, but across the street at the forest it say no discharge of firearms.

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    Geesh! What do they allow!? Maybe they should add no fun or a list of thing they do allow. Just a thought.

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    Never been to or heard of the place but it sounds like hell. Nothing is allowed. Screw that. Worst place ever, and it's a golf course? BLECH.




    And yes, their signage is illegal.

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    Update, still haven't heard back from ANYONE.

    Seems like I am going to have to call Kent on Monday. I doubt he will answer though. Seems like a trend with Pierce County Parks & Rec.

    Phone: (253)798-4092

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    Bump for the duplicate thread from jt59

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...-Parks-Gun-Ban
    Last edited by swatspyder; 08-01-2010 at 12:12 AM.

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    If it's fun it's not welcome. Why would anyone want to go there?

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