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    Eleuthera:

    Thank you for posting the document it is very important and I suggest anyone carrying a firearm in Milwaukee and the surrounding area carry one on his person.

    The Milwaukee police training bulletin on open carry is well written and accurate. On the surface it appears to be quite "out-of-character" for police cheif Flynn. That is until you realize what is, in my opinion, a "hidden agenda". It is apparent that Cheif Flynn is using the school zone law as his "ace-in-the-hole". There is no mention in the bulletin about the private propertyor school zone awarenessor the firearm training exclusions. I suspect anyone stopped inside any of the circles shown on the maps will be in an "interesting" situation much to the glee of Flynn and the Milwaukee mayor. Both would much prefer to charge a person openly carrying a firerm with a felony instead of a disorderly conduct misdemeanor. Call me paranoid if you will but that's the way I see it. That is also why the "school zone restriction" should be our next challenge.

    Barring an opinion by the Attorney General or the state Supreme Court that ss948.605 is unconstitutional it probably is unrealistic to expect the current legislature to totally repeal the statute. It is too much of an emotional issue especially in that it involves child safety. What we can do is put pressure on the legislature to clean the statute up. Some of the things we can demand are:

    1. Make the penalty fit the crime. A law abiding citizen that is carrying a firearm for personal protectionwithin their constitutional rights and who strays into the 1000ft "zone" should not be charged the same as if they had criminal intent.

    2. Require that "private" property be thoroughly and accurately defined. For example; businesses, sidewalks, city streets and and other rights-of-ways.

    3. Require that the 1000ft zone be abolished or at a minimum reduced to only the school property itself.

    4. If abolishment or reduction of the 1000ft zone isn't saleable then at least require the city to post signs marking the boundaries to prevent accidental encroachment by well meaning persons.

    5. Allow off duty police officers to carry firearms in a school zone. As the statute now exists off-duty police officersare also prohibited from carrying a loaded and uncased firearm in any of the 1000ft zones.

    There are other areas that need fixing.

    Of course the most desireable solution would be to have the SSC declare the school zone statute unconstitutional. Unfortunately the penalty of being charged with a felony if found guilty makes a court challenge unlikely and Isuspect the attorney general will avoid issuing an opinionas ifit was a plague. Our best bet is the legislature. We have to start pounding on them now.

    Most certainly this post is controversial. There are some members that will want all or nothing. Because of the child safety emotions surrounding this subject I fear if we demand all we will get nothing. I say that because I have already sent letters to my legislative representatives. They are both staunch defenders of the 2nd amendment and Article I section 25 but they both expressed the same concern . The concern that child safety not be compromised.



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    I didn't know the BG's out there cared about child safety?I have children and would like changes made so those that are law abiding can carry.Then maybe the BG's would stay away from schools.They would have to go else where to recruit the new BG members.Gangmembers and other BG's,surewouldn't want Mom and Dad around, if they are carrying,when they are looking for new recruits or buyers.

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    eleuthera wrote:
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    Lammie,

    Some very good points. Points 1-4 sound reasonable.


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    roconnor14 wrote:
    These school zones are ridiculous. I can't step one foot off my front lawn.
    I've got the same problem. I'm completely surrounded, with an apparent school on my block that I didn't even know was a school.

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    Anybody make a school zone map yet for Waukesha County, as well as find a training manual for Waukesha Cty police regarding open carry after the AG's opinion? I did a brief search and found nothing, but can do more searching if no one already has.

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    Lammie wrote:
    1. Make the penalty fit the crime...
    You could forcibly make the person attend an MPS school, particularly Bradley Tech. One less truancy there. Oh the horror..

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    32HR MAG wrote:
    I didn't know the BG's out there cared about child safety?I have children and would like changes made so those that are law abiding can carry.Then maybe the BG's would stay away from schools.They would have to go else where to recruit the new BG members.Gangmembers and other BG's,surewouldn't want Mom and Dad around, if they are carrying,when they are looking for new recruits or buyers.
    Let's face it, the school zone law wasn't really designed with child safety in mind. It was designed to mess with gun owners and to limit their ability to carry a gun.
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    Shotgun is correct. The federal school zone law was an act of the antis. They used the fear and panic of the moment to push for the law and it's ridiculous controls. They played the child safety issue to the hilt in order to lobby the law through congress and various state legislatures. The cries of child safety were but a smokescreen. However it is my opinion that the same smokescreen would be used to argue against recinding the school zone law.

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    I'll even accept the 1000' school zone statute if it was rewritten as a crime enhancer like the so called "hate" crime enhancer. That way, if you commit a gun crime within 1000' of a school, you'll get an enhancer on your sentence. That way it is still there, but not applicable to us.
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    The school-zone gun law is not legit. Firearm possession is only open to reasonable regulation.

    We are legal to carry in them as far as anyone who can read should be concerned.

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    Spongebob wrote:
    The school-zone gun law is not legit. Firearm possession is only open to reasonable regulation.

    We are legal to carry in them as far as anyone who can read should be concerned.
    Except that it is a felony if convicted. You won't have to worry about gun laws anymore then.
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    eleuthera,

    Excellent and very important work! I am sure I speak for all of us when I say THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!

    How hard was it to do this and would it be possible to do one for SE Wisconsin? I would be willing to lend a hand to do this but Imay need a bit ofhelp starting,otherwise I am very computer literate.

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    eleuthera,

    Excellent and very important work! I am sure I speak for all of us when I say THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!

    How hard was it to do this and would it be possible to do one for SE Wisconsin? I would be willing to lend a hand to do this but Imay need a bit ofhelp starting,otherwise I am very computer literate.
    That was put together by Milwaukee PD and acquired via an open records request. The map uses a very liberal interpretation of "School Zone" to include the administrative buildings and athletic fields.Below I have included State Statutes 948.605 (GFSZ) and948.61. SS 948.605says on the grounds of a "school"which in 948.61 is the school proper and not athletic feilds and administration buildings.

    948.605 Gun−free school zones. (1)
    DEFINITIONS. In this section:

    (a) “Encased” has the meaning given in s. 167.31 (1) (b).

    (ac) “Firearm” does not include any beebee or pellet−firing gun that expels a projectile through the force of air pressure or any starter pistol.

    (am) “Motor vehicle” has the meaning given in s. 340.01 (35).

    (b) “School” has the meaning given in s. 948.61 (1) (b).

    (c) “School zone” means any of the following:

    1. In or on the grounds of a school.

    2. Within 1,000 feet from the grounds of a school.

    (2)
    POSSESSION OF FIREARM IN SCHOOL ZONE. (a) Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone is guilty of a Class I felony.

    (b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to the possession of a firearm:

    1. On private property not part of school grounds;

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    It also includes the the facilities and properties outlined in SS 948.61:

    (b) “School” means a public, parochial or private school which provides an educational program for one or more grades between grades 1 and 12 and which is commonly known as an elementary school, middle school, junior high school, senior high school or high school.

    (c) “School premises” means any school building, grounds, recreation area or athletic field or any other property owned, used or operated for school administration.
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    I am afather of 3 school age children , and i would like to see the thousandfoot or just less than 1/5th of a mile restriction removed i would also like to see the Isreali model implimented having trusted and trained staff and adminitration carry concealed as well as implimenting trusted and trained parents , grandparents and members of the comunity to patrol the grounds looking like casual walkers carring concealed side arms

    i was glad to see that many departments are now traning first responding officer confontation, of school and public place shooters , that can now be accounted for saving many lives. as it was so painfull to see footage from columbine and some of the other shootings where they rallied the troops before going inside in squads.leaving the shooters t finish thier work.





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    GreenCountyPete wrote:
    I am afather of 3 school age children , and i would like to see the thousandfoot or just less than 1/5th of a mile restriction removed i would also like to see the Isreali model implimented having trusted and trained staff and adminitration carry concealed as well as implimenting trusted and trained parents , grandparents and members of the comunity to patrol the grounds looking like casual walkers carring concealed side arms

    i was glad to see that many departments are now traning first responding officer confontation, of school and public place shooters , that can now be accounted for saving many lives. as it was so painfull to see footage from columbine and some of the other shootings where they rallied the troops before going inside in squads.leaving the shooters t finish thier work.



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    My mother is a teacher and I would love to have her be able to carry on the job. I will always believe that "Gun free zones" when translated into whacko means "Come shoot me, I can't fight back"
    The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair. Col. Jeff Cooper, GUNS & AMMO, January 2002

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    I have edited the Official Milwaukee School Zone Map to include the locations of shooting homicides occurring in 2008, and up to March 2009. The database I used,
    http://data.jsonline.com/News/HomicideTracker/, is updated only to 3/25/09.

    In Summary, most of the homicides by shooting occurred within or near the 1000 foot school zone borders. Unfortunately, I am having trouble uploading the .pdf document. Once I get that uploaded, you will see the folly of the "gun free zones".

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    WI Patriot wrote:
    I have edited the Official Milwaukee School Zone Map to include the locations of shooting homicides occurring in 2008, and up to March 2009. The database I used,
    http://data.jsonline.com/News/HomicideTracker/, is updated only to 3/25/09.

    In Summary, most of the homicides by shooting occurred within or near the 1000 foot school zone borders. Unfortunately, I am having trouble uploading the .pdf document. Once I get that uploaded, you will see the folly of the "gun free zones".

    Regards.
    Sounds interesting, I look forward to seeing it!
    The 1911 pistol remains the service pistol of choice in the eyes of those who understand the problem. Back when we audited the FBI academy in 1947, I was told that I ought not to use my pistol in their training program because it was not fair. Maybe the first thing one should demand of his sidearm is that it be unfair. Col. Jeff Cooper, GUNS & AMMO, January 2002

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    Attached is the school zone map with shooting homicide incidents identified. I will check the database periodically to look for updates, but I think this pretty much makes the case that "gun free zones" are merely gun free zones for law abiding citizens.

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    Good job man! And thanks! I'll be sending this to my representatives.
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    Nice work WI Patriot...

    Now if we could get this into the hands of someone who could change this ordinance.

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    awesome job on the map there. Do you have any hard statistics for what percentage occurred in school zones?

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    eleuthera wrote:
    awesome job on the map there. Do you have any hard statistics for what percentage occurred in school zones?
    Uhm.....

    You could count the arrows on the map:quirky

    On a serious note, it would be nice to keep compiling away on this thing and get the statistics includedsince the "Victim Disarmament Zone" law was put into effect.
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    don't feel bad roconner neither can i...................but can a person really be outside, on his property, within the 1000 ft rule..............

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