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    As a guy that comes from Arizona, I was excited at the opportunity to get involved in helping to get Wisconsin gun laws out of the dark ages, I went to the Onalaska OC picnic and was quite impressed at the turnout.

    And then I saw what happened on the threads here with internet "commandos" hijacking threads, saying that "we don't need rallys" and so on and so forth and it became crystal clear to me why we have the gun laws that we have in Wisconsin.

    It has become apparent to me that this state will NEVER get a CCW law passed simply because people spend more time drinking beer and following the Packers than they do caring about their Constitutional rights!!

    I give......I'll just take my chances andcarry the cheap piece concealed, keep the homefront on alertand watch from the sidelines as you guys figure out what happened in Wisconsin.

    Not trying to be a dick but Wisconsin "patriots" don't stand a chance against the left. Your tendacies of self destruction are something that seems to be very comfortable.

    Good luck with that.

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    Smooth,

    Couldnt agree more.

    Btw...Noticed you are a newer member also.Did anybody evenbother to say welcome to the board to ya?



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    No, and Thanks for doing so.

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    So what have you done to help?

    Have you sent out any letters? Have you called any public officials? Have you done anything other then telling us how dumb we are?

    I am not on "my" side, I am on "our" side. And I think you are wrong, we will get CCW someday, but for now it is open carry that is at issue (OPENCARRY.ORG). And we are changing the way people look at it. Wisconsin is not, nor will it ever be, Arizona. We move a LOT slower, on most things. Thats just how it works in our state (slow). In Wisconsin, we need to convince the "left" that this is a protected right. We do not need tofight against the left, we have the law on our side.

    I say love it, leave it, or try to change it. Don't just complain about it, or you are part of the problem.

    Oh, and yes, I do love my Packers, and beer! And I open carry every day! I have also spent over $20 in stamps, to send out letters to every official I can in S/E Wisconsin (some even reply).

    We will win this fight.


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    smooth wrote:
    Not trying to be a dick but Wisconsin "patriots" don't stand a chance against the left. Your tendacies of self destruction are something that seems to be very comfortable.
    Smooth I am still trying to decyfer the point of your post. What gives?

    Secondly, it would apparantly surprise you to know that it was the Patriots who kept after JB during and after Brad Krause's case. The patriots literally badgered his office weekly in an attempt to get him to say something. JB even took his personal time on a Sunday to respond to a Patriot's inquiry on the matter. After that email from him it was clear that that the issue had floated to the top of his attention and he was well aware of what was going on. Turns out his memo did all that we hoped for and more (by reminding Police of the rules of detaining someone, for instance). All of this happened behind the scenes...why? To not allow anti's to derail the efforts. But you won't find the Patriots trying to take credit for this on their website, because they are humble, and at this point, it doesn't matter who helped JB to clarify the law, all that matters is that it's clarified.

    Of course the Patriots do not deserveall the credit. Several people on this forum also contributed to contacting the AG's office on the matteron their own, and I would like to thank them for their efforts as well.


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    Smithman,
    I think you may be mistaken. Smooth does not seem to be speaking of "The Wisconsin Patriots" as an organized groupsince he only quoted "Patriots" in his post. He is referring to each and every one of us!!

    We seem to always have several things "In the works" at any given time, but the majority of these events fall through, get cancelled, or get lost among all the arguing about what or who is right or wrong and it seems as if "peeing in peoples Wheaties" is a common theme in the WI thread.

    I think we all need to take a look at the MI thread, and take a lesson from them. That group always has something happening, be it a large picnic, or a group of 10 or less meeting for an O-C lunch or breakfast they meet up and get out there and do things. On some weekends people need to choose which event they will attend because severalmay behappening at the same time. they do not try and organize large media events, they just go out and do things in groups and get it done!

    It is rough for me to attend any of the WI events because I live in the middle of friggin nowhere! If people involved in this forum dolive within a reasonable distance or each other, get out there, strap-on, and go for breakfast, lunch, or dinner and make our presence known! I wish we had more member in Vilas, Oneida, and surrounding counties to meet up and discuss strategies to get some of these laws changed, or just meet up to B.S. and exercise our rights!

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    "Smithman,
    I think you may be mistaken. Smooth does not seem to be speaking of "The Wisconsin Patriots" as an organized groupsince he only quoted "Patriots" in his post. He is referring to each and every one of us!!"




    Exactly what I am referring to.

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    What have I done? In 7 weeks? Well for one I opencarried in Madison a couple of times, I rode 160 miles to Onalaska where I knew noone to show support to their picnic there.

    I don't "write letters", the reps don't care about your letters and e-mails and probably use them for coasters for their beers as they watch the Packers.

    As I said, I'l just continue to CCW and clean my rifles and wait for the coming collapse of the economy.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    AMEN on the political ****** in the statehouses and their contempt for us peons.
    Write letters? LOL, that's for the rookies who still believe the lie.
    As for the coming collapse, you shouldn't be waiting too long.
    More and more of us out there!!



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    [quote]"So what have you done to help?
    Have you sent out any letters? Have you called any public officials?

    We will win this fight"

    1.)Like the T-shirt reads: If I have to explain.....You wouldnt understand.
    2.)Sometime in this lifetime would be nice.
    [quote][quote]"We seem to always have several things "In the works" at any given time, but the majority of these events fall through, get cancelled, or get lost among all the arguing about what or who is right or wrong and it seems as if "peeing in peoples Wheaties" is a common theme in the WI thread."

    Exactly....

    [quote][quote]"Why would you want CCW when OC is already recognized to be lawful?"

    OC'ing in a winter parka is a buzzkill.And its a lot more fun watchin the "Oh Sh+t" look creep over a BG's face when he realizes there are357 reasonswhy I like to be left alone.

    My next statement I would like to direct to the Admins/Mods:
    I would like my account/profile deactivated.I dont see a need to be a member here.I joined looking for oppurtunities and to be active in something with what I thought were like minded people in preserving and further developing a Right that is going to be lost in the near future if We dont start doing more about ittoday.

    We had an oppurtunity.......A big one.
    We dont anymore....and here is something some of you just dont understand.

    The Legislation Won Again.

    Just because some weren't willing honor a couple simple requests.

    You dont need my help or participation.

    Your to busy winning thebattle FORTHE LEGISLATION.

    Wisconsin,You have the Legislation you DESERVE !!!!

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    WELL SAID SIR.......I feel the exact same way!!

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    First, Welcome aboard Smooth.

    Unfortunately there are some of us that are drifting away from the initial purpose of this site. However, even though I do not necessarily agree with some of their ambitions I still would have to say they are truly all patriots of the cause. Some have just become a little misguided and over ambitious. I sincerely hope they will realize this on their own and come to order with what needs to initially be accomplished here in Wisconsin.

    The Rally in Madison was canceled by the organizer partly for the outside ambitions of some of the members of this forum, but also because the organizer thought it may be best to hold this event at a later time when the over all attention the event would bring would be better used against Diamond Jim and his henchmen in Madison.

    Hmm in thinking of all those crooks in Madison I just thought of the movie Boondock Saints!

    Anyways, One thing is for sure. We all need to stick together. For get about all of the obstacles and issues outside what we are coming together for. Those things will all fall into place at a later time.

    Today we all need to be brothers in arms and stand up for our God given rights. Please everyone lets stay focused. Together we can do anything. Divided we fail!

    Carry On!

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Aaron S,
    Why would you want CCW when OC is already recognized to be lawful?
    Because morelawful options and variety arebetter than less, when it comes to the RKBA.
    "The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

    “He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death, may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden.”--M. K. Gandhi

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    yea, about 3% of the general population.


    A vocal, politically engaged, and politically organizing 3% defending the RKBA can be a force that government representatives can't ignore.

    And every true defender of the RKBA must help keep erect a big tent to include all brothers-in-arms, no matter what lawful firearm or what lawful mode of carry they choose. History has shown that if we discriminate amongst ourselves, anti-gun forces freely chip away, bit-by-bit, the 2A. Truly, the saying "United we stand, divided we fall" has never been more appropriate than to the cause of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
    "The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

    “He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death, may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden.”--M. K. Gandhi

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Aaron S,
    Why would you want CCW when OC is already recognized to be lawful?
    You ever carry a gun on your hip in winter? -10 is a bit to cold not to have a full length coat on. I think CCW would help this. I do not mind open carry, at all.

    I fully agree though with J. Gleason;

    "Anyways, One thing is for sure. We all need to stick together. For get about all of the obstacles and issues outside what we are coming together for. Those things will all fall into place at a later time.

    Today we all need to be brothers in arms and stand up for our God given rights. Please everyone lets stay focused. Together we can do anything. Divided we fail!"

    So for now, I am happy just getting the local law to understand my rights better, and to let me be. It is summer, and I am more then happy to open carry. It helps keep the sweat off my gun.


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    Welcome Mark good to hear from a southern brother!

    Right now open carry is my only ambition. CCW will only lead to fees and registration and mandatory training that would be unaffordable and inconvenient to the average Joe at this point. Just another way for them to restrict our rights. Really not interested in that, not now anyways.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    What you young pups fail/refuse to realize, every time one of you applies for a CCW permit, you are strengthening / empowering the state. Don't do it.

    If concealed carry ever becomes Vermont-style down here, maybe. Until then, never.
    Well, Wisconsin doesn't even have shall-issue CCW, so the matter ofapplying for one is moot.

    If they do get it,if it is a pay-to-play system, I say pay-to-play and work like hell, politically, to liberalize things even further toward Vermont-style gun regulation or at least minimize cost and/or gov't involvement.

    My philosophy is: take advantage of all laws you have with respect to the RKBA (even if you have to pay for some, like CCW) and get politically active as hell to eliminate the costs/restrictions within thelaw. Definitely don't sit back and accept the laws as they are . . . work hard to liberalize them even further.
    "The principle of self-defense, even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even by Gandhi . . ."--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

    “He who cannot protect himself or his nearest and dearest or their honor by non-violently facing death, may and ought to do so by violently dealing with the oppressor. He who can do neither of the two is a burden.”--M. K. Gandhi

    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." --M. K. Gandhi

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    Welcome Mark good to hear from a southern brother!

    Right now open carry is my only ambition. CCW will only lead to fees and registration and mandatory training that would be unaffordable and inconvenient to the average Joe at this point. Just another way for them to restrict our rights. Really not interested in that, not now anyways.
    This is incorrect.....I have had a CCW for years and the total cost was 150.00 and an 8 hour training class. CCW is the only way I will carry as I have no desire to have others know that I am armed.

    I carry CCW 24/7 and feel very secure in doing it and knowing that I can protect my family should the need arise.

    OC is fine but it will always be socially frowned upon in todays society. Carry your gun on your hip to church and see what kind of reaction you get. I carry to mine and noone knows.

    No worries though......Wisconsin is a lost cause......the left owns it.

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    I actually think OC is better than CC. But then at teh same point, a double edge sword.They talk about the deterent effect of when CC legislation passes. "criminals don't know who's carrying"

    With OC, criminals would just STEER clear of anyone OC'ing. But on the bad side, criminals KNOW anyone not OC'ing is unarmed and an easy target because in WI they know law-abiding peolpe don't/can't conceal.

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    smooth wrote:
    As a guy that comes from Arizona, I was excited at the opportunity to get involved in helping to get Wisconsin gun laws out of the dark ages, I went to the Onalaska OC picnic and was quite impressed at the turnout.

    And then I saw what happened on the threads here with internet "commandos" hijacking threads, saying that "we don't need rallys" and so on and so forth and it became crystal clear to me why we have the gun laws that we have in Wisconsin.

    It has become apparent to me that this state will NEVER get a CCW law passed simply because people spend more time drinking beer and following the Packers than they do caring about their Constitutional rights!!

    I give......I'll just take my chances andcarry the cheap piece concealed, keep the homefront on alertand watch from the sidelines as you guys figure out what happened in Wisconsin.

    Not trying to be a dick but Wisconsin "patriots" don't stand a chance against the left. Your tendacies of self destruction are something that seems to be very comfortable.

    Good luck with that.
    First, my apologies for not welcoming you to the forum. Second, thank you again for coming to Onalaska.

    Having said that, YES many in Wisconsin are complacent and it will take time to get them to come around.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Why are there soooooooooo many persons so strongly advocating CC on a forum titled opencarry?
    Because we want to have both.
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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Why are there soooooooooo many persons so strongly advocating CC on a forum titled opencarry?
    Well Mark most of us want to have both, however, we do not want to relinquish anything to get cc. Personally if oc is the best we get I can live with that too.

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    smooth wrote
    This is incorrect.....I have had a CCW for years and the total cost was 150.00 and an 8 hour training class.
    Well Smooth, Diamond Jim and his henchmen will make sure that the cost is ridiculous enough that it will not be worth while that is for sure. Otherwise, I agree with the rest of your statement. However, we have to take things one step at a time here in Carryland.

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    The state legislature has passed CCW 2 or 3 times, it has been vetoed by the fuhrer/governor each time. Writing letters is like voting on an electronic voting machine with no receipts, it might be nearly worthless but we should not give up.

    If we replace the governor with anyone decent we will have CCW. The problem is the republicans are often just as bad, pushing like patriot acts and other disgusting un-American things. All we need is a decent republican to step up to the plate and get rid of the scumbag who has seized power.

    I dont think anyone wants to somehow trade open carry for concealed carry, I think both would be great as long as a local jurisdiction cannot limit either of them.

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    Ron Paul for governor!!!!!:celebrate

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