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    Just thought I'd look at what they may have put up and sure enough this is what's there:

    "Weapons
    NOTICE: The Richmond Coliseum's policy against bringing weapons into the building or arena shall not otherwise prohibit the lawful carrying of a handgun or other firearms or the lawful carrying of a concealed handgun with a valid permit issued pursuant to Virginia Code Section 18.2-308. The Richmond Coliseum reserves the right to search any person (including any belongings) prior to entry and while on the Coliseum's premises and to temporarily stop any person carrying a concealed handgun for the purpose of allowing a law-enforcement officer to examine the person's concealed handgun permit and necessary photo ID. We appreciate your cooperation as we try to maintain a safe and comfortable environment for our employees, guests and performers"

    http://www.richmondcoliseum.net/visitor_policies.asp

    Interesting.

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    Dispatcher wrote:
    Just thought I'd look at what they may have put up and sure enough this is what's there:

    "Weapons
    NOTICE: The Richmond Coliseum's policy against bringing weapons into the building or arena shall not otherwise prohibit the lawful carrying of a handgun or other firearms or the lawful carrying of a concealed handgun with a valid permit issued pursuant to Virginia Code Section 18.2-308. The Richmond Coliseum reserves the right to search any person (including any belongings) prior to entry and while on the Coliseum's premises and to temporarily stop any person carrying a concealed handgun for the purpose of allowing a law-enforcement officer to examine the person's concealed handgun permit and necessary photo ID. We appreciate your cooperation as we try to maintain a safe and comfortable environment for our employees, guests and performers"

    http://www.richmondcoliseum.net/visitor_policies.asp

    Interesting.

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    Signage was not changed at the Coliseum as of last Sat. - they could have taped over the illegal "No Guns" part but did not.

    Also I question the legality of searching my person - can this be made a condition of entry? As I see it, this is not likely anyway as I normally OC and would not expect them to look further - not sure how they would propose to handle that because I am not going to permit any "hands-on" and particularly not near my gun or mags.

    Still I see some acknowledgment of lawful carry being legal.

    Wonder whether all future users of the Coliseum will have to pay an additional "special fee" now that legal guns will be allowed - RPV was reported to have been required to shell out $32-35,000 additionally for the "privilege." IMO - a refund is due the RPV.

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    I am looking forward to seeing how this all goes over for Glenn Beck, this Saturday. It looks like I will be OCing, rather than CCing.

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    Icetera wrote:
    I am looking forward to seeing how this all goes over for Glenn Beck, this Saturday. It looks like I will be OCing, rather than CCing.
    What time does the Glenn Beck event begin?

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    I'm confused by their verbage. OC is lawful carrying, yet weapons aren't allowed. So, are they backing down and saying OC is OK...or just CC? If OC is OK, then what is the purpose of their language against weapons?

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    Grapeshot wrote:
    Icetera wrote:
    I am looking forward to seeing how this all goes over for Glenn Beck, this Saturday. It looks like I will be OCing, rather than CCing.
    What time does the Glenn Beck event begin?

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    I'm confused by their verbage. OC is lawful carrying, yet weapons aren't allowed. So, are they backing down and saying OC is OK...or just CC? If OC is OK, then what is the purpose of their language against weapons?
    Knives, etc?

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    "Weapons
    NOTICE: The Richmond Coliseum's policy against bringing weapons into the building or arena shall not otherwise prohibit the lawful carrying of a handgun or other firearms or the lawful carrying of a concealed handgun with a valid permit issued pursuant to Virginia Code Section 18.2-308. The Richmond Coliseum reserves the right to search any person (including any belongings) prior to entry and while on the Coliseum's premises and to temporarily stop any person carrying a concealed handgun for the purpose of allowing a law-enforcement officer to examine the person's concealed handgun permit and necessary photo ID. We appreciate your cooperation as we try to maintain a safe and comfortable environment for our employees, guests and performers"

    http://www.richmondcoliseum.net/visitor_policies.asp


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    How can they enforce a search of your person/effects without RAS? It's a government owned facility. Government is prohibited from doing that sort of thing.

    Also, how would they know if you have a concealed firearm? I thought the purpose of it being concealed was that other people would not know you had it... you know, concealed as in not visible.

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    darthmord wrote:
    how would they know if you have a concealed firearm? I thought the purpose of it being concealed was that other people would not know you had it... you know, concealed as in not visible.
    Not everyone knows how to conceal properly.

    I see sloppy CC almost daily.
    A few times I've asked the carrier why they just don'tOC as everyone already knows they are carrying.
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    Agent19 wrote:
    Not everyone knows how to conceal properly.

    I see sloppy CC almost daily.
    A few times I've asked the carrier why they just don'tOC as everyone already knows they are carrying.
    I bet that goes over well :P.

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    I just find it hard to believe that people can't conceal properly. I mean, whatever happened to taking pride in your works and efforts?

    Heck, I have a SERPA OWB holster I use when OCing. I can still CC that (with my full size 9mm no less). Sure it's a little more obvious than my normal conceal firearm but still, no one noticed (or if they did, nothing was said). Security & police that I walked by certainly never noticed.

    But my point still stands. How would the Colisseum know if you were CC if you were carrying CC? Do they wand you or put you through a metal detector as a requirement to entry?

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    darthmord wrote:
    But my point still stands. How would the Colisseum know if you were CC if you were carrying CC? Do they wand you or put you through a metal detector as a requirement to entry?
    As it seems they will insist on searching everyone's belongings the most likely case would be a woman carrying concealed in her purse.

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    darthmord wrote:
    I just find it hard to believe that people can't conceal properly. I mean, whatever happened to taking pride in your works and efforts?

    Heck, I have a SERPA OWB holster I use when OCing. I can still CC that (with my full size 9mm no less). Sure it's a little more obvious than my normal conceal firearm but still, no one noticed (or if they did, nothing was said). Security & police that I walked by certainly never noticed.

    But my point still stands. How would the Colisseum know if you were CC if you were carrying CC? Do they wand you or put you through a metal detector as a requirement to entry?
    I think they could search your baggage for food, drinks, and the other things on the prohibited list. Metal detectors wouldn't show them so they would be useless.

    A body search or pat down would be out of bounds.

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    ...shall not otherwise prohibit the lawful carrying of a handgun or other firearms or the lawful carrying of a concealed handgun with a valid permit...
    I see this as allowing OC. It allows the lawful carrying of a handgun or other firearms, and OC is lawful; likewise, it allows the lawful carrying of a handgun with a CHP, which is to say that other firearms like a rifle would not be covered.

    That said, the huge rights violation of unwarranted searches needs to be removed post haste! I'd always give my permit over to a LEO for compliance with the law, but random searches are clearly way too much.

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    now since they sell beer at there events would that mean automatic OC as opposed to CC? is this going to be treated as a resturant that serves...im a little confused as i thought that CC would be out of the question since the beer is served at 99% of the events that take place there.. someone please enlighten me....

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    ballester wrote:
    now since they sell beer at there events would that mean automatic OC as opposed to CC? is this going to be treated as a resturant that serves...im a little confused as i thought that CC would be out of the question since the beer is served at 99% of the events that take place there.. someone please enlighten me....
    The key is their ABC designation - they are designated as a "Food Concession".

    CC is only prohibited in "restaurants" and "clubs".
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    oooooooooooo.............i see...well thanks Jim...sounds like a winner to me...and to think all those times i left my friend locked in the car there....almost like child abuse in a way... not no more!!!

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    Dispatcher wrote:
    Just thought I'd look at what they may have put up and sure enough this is what's there:

    "Weapons
    NOTICE: The Richmond Coliseum's policy against bringing weapons into the building or arena shall not otherwise prohibit the lawful carrying of a handgunor other firearms or the lawful carrying of a concealed handgun with a valid permit issued pursuant to Virginia Code Section 18.2-308. The Richmond Coliseum reserves the right to search any person (including any belongings) prior to entry and while on the Coliseum's premises and to temporarily stop any person carrying a concealed handgun for the purpose of allowing a law-enforcement officer to examine the person's concealed handgun permit and necessary photo ID. We appreciate your cooperation as we try to maintain a safe and comfortable environment for our employees, guests and performers"


    So I guess I can sling my AR. Cool!
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    paramedic70002 wrote:
    Dispatcher wrote:
    Just thought I'd look at what they may have put up and sure enough this is what's there:

    "Weapons
    NOTICE: The Richmond Coliseum's policy against bringing weapons into the building or arena shall not otherwise prohibit the lawful carrying of a handgunor other firearms or the lawful carrying of a concealed handgun with a valid permit issued pursuant to Virginia Code Section 18.2-308. The Richmond Coliseum reserves the right to search any person (including any belongings) prior to entry and while on the Coliseum's premises and to temporarily stop any person carrying a concealed handgun for the purpose of allowing a law-enforcement officer to examine the person's concealed handgun permit and necessary photo ID. We appreciate your cooperation as we try to maintain a safe and comfortable environment for our employees, guests and performers"
    So I guess I can sling my AR. Cool!
    Sure seems that way to me but I bet you'd receive loooots of attention.
    The show would probably be over before you were free to move without escort and the resultant publicity would harm more than help.

    If I remember correctly no mags over 20 rds unless you have a CHP in designated cities which includes Richmond.

    Tess from NOVA did not comply with their bag search at the RPV convention and was not denied entry. I too am of the opinion that a city owned facility searching my possessions without RAS is extra-legal.

    Knives which many/most of us carry clipped to our pocket so as not to be concealed are still disallowed as would be pepper spray, batons, tasers et al. Only legally carried guns have been okayed. Just something to think about.

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    darthmord wrote:
    But my point still stands. How would the Colisseum know if you were CC if you were carrying CC? Do they wand you or put you through a metal detector as a requirement to entry?
    Interesting you ask that. As we left on Saturday to get lunch, one of the staff told us open carry was okay, but not concealed. When I asked "how would you know?" I was told that's why they search.

    So when I went back in, with a gun on my hip, a knife clipped to my pocket, and a bottle of water in my hand ............ what were they searching for then????
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    Tess wrote:
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    But my point still stands. How would the Colisseum know if you were CC if you were carrying CC? Do they wand you or put you through a metal detector as a requirement to entry?
    Interesting you ask that. As we left on Saturday to get lunch, one of the staff told us open carry was okay, but not concealed. When I asked "how would you know?" I was told that's why they search.

    So when I went back in, with a gun on my hip, a knife clipped to my pocket, and a bottle of water in my hand ............ what were they searching for then????
    City property, preemption, concealed OK. no authority to pat down. Who's going to stop you?
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    Wolf_shadow wrote:
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    But my point still stands. How would the Colisseum know if you were CC if you were carrying CC? Do they wand you or put you through a metal detector as a requirement to entry?
    Interesting you ask that. As we left on Saturday to get lunch, one of the staff told us open carry was okay, but not concealed. When I asked "how would you know?" I was told that's why they search.

    So when I went back in, with a gun on my hip, a knife clipped to my pocket, and a bottle of water in my hand ............ what were they searching for then????
    City property, preemption, concealed OK. no authority to pat down. Who's going to stop you?
    Likely no one. Care to dance?

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    Grapeshot wrote:
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    Just thought I'd look at what they may have put up and sure enough this is what's there:

    "Weapons
    NOTICE: The Richmond Coliseum's policy against bringing weapons into the building or arena shall not otherwise prohibit the lawful carrying of a handgunor other firearms or the lawful carrying of a concealed handgun with a valid permit issued pursuant to Virginia Code Section 18.2-308. The Richmond Coliseum reserves the right to search any person (including any belongings) prior to entry and while on the Coliseum's premises and to temporarily stop any person carrying a concealed handgun for the purpose of allowing a law-enforcement officer to examine the person's concealed handgun permit and necessary photo ID. We appreciate your cooperation as we try to maintain a safe and comfortable environment for our employees, guests and performers"
    So I guess I can sling my AR. Cool!
    If I remember correctly no mags over 20 rds unless you have a CHP in designated cities which includes Richmond.
    Correct. I believe the limit was set to localities with 180,000+ population, but I do not recall if counties, such Henrico and Chesterfield (well over) are included.

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    Icetera wrote:
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    If I remember correctly no mags over 20 rds unless you have a CHP in designated cities which includes Richmond.
    Correct. I believe the limit was set to localities with 180,000+ population, but I do not recall if counties, such Henrico and Chesterfield (well over) are included.
    Used to be set by population but that was burdened with the obvious problem.
    To clarify the GA changed that section to read that in certain cities (larger ones) which are listed, would be illegal to carry magazines with more than 20 rds. unless you possess a CHP These cities include Richmond, Norfolk, Newport News, Hampton and some others. Do not recall mention of counties.

    My google fu is tired this evening. Anybody that can provide cite will be appreciated.

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